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Name one thing that blacks and whites each need to do to help end racism.

Quazimodo said:
There goes the NBA.

Oh, and that's one helluva way to get rid of BLM, idnit?
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Actually, BLM is terrified of that. They actively preach segregation.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
That's the problem with being an idealist - putting one's ideals as having higher priorities than any possible bad consequences.

Bradley (nee Chelsea) Manning is a great example: he saw something wrong in a video, so he took it upon himself to expose what America was doing. If he'd ONLY exposed the video, then he would still have paid a (somewhat lesser) price, but he would have been a hero and rightly so. But in his idealistic fervor, he also exposed a freaking quarter million diplomatic cables to and from our embassies and consulates all over the planet...and I don't believe for a moment the government's claims that nothing bad came from that exposure.

He thought he was doing the right thing for the right reason...but instead was doing a very wrong thing.

Idealism in and of itself is all well and fine and in many cases absolutely necessary, but holding one's ideals up as a be-all and end-all regardless of the consequences all too often leads to places no one wants to go. Or, to put it another way, there's a whole lot of tyrants and despots throughout history that began as idealists.
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Goldwater was a lot of things, but an idealist wasn't one of them.

And, Chelsea Manning? As a comparison to Barry Goldwater? /smh
 
Howler63 said:
When you mix a superior culture with an inferior one.
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You have to reduce the superior to the lowest common denominator otherwise there is privilege and racism...even if the superior earned it. Redistribute and make equal.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Goldwater was a lot of things, but an idealist wasn't one of them.

And, Chelsea Manning? As a comparison to Barry Goldwater? /smh
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Supporting his beliefs even with the foreknowledge of how unpopular his beliefs would be, and how they would affect his efforts to get elected...that, sir, is a wonderful example of idealism.

The definition is: "a person who is guided more by ideals than by practical considerations." Yep! Goldwater was an idealist (as is Ted Cruz, come to think of it). Both Obama and Hillary, by contrast, are pragmatists - they always have been.

A really easy way to tell the difference between an idealist and a pragmatist is to see whether the individual in question is willing and able to change his mind on issues, or whether he or she is able to ignore said ideals in order to get the deal done. Goldwater was unwilling to change his mind on anything. Both Obama and Hillary have.
 
radcen said:
Name one thing that blacks and whites each need to do to help end racism. Or, at least mitigate it quite a bit.

Generic, as groups. Something significant. Please answer for both, not just one.
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Reject the race baiters and organizations who depend on the illusion of racism to maintain power and control.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Says the guy who supports the side that believes that freedom TO discriminate is more important than freedom FROM discrimination.
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Yes. I do believe that an individual's freedom to hate is more important then freedom of the government thought police to dictate what or how people should think.

I don't condone violence but I have a right to love who I love and hate who I hate.

As far as discrimination I have often posted that I do not support discrimination.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
How is the one culture superior to another? They're both "American" aren't they? Isn't that the point of the thread?
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Ummmmm.........like one is successful and the other predominantly fails except at music and sports?
 
ModerateGOP said:
They shouldn't think that way and part of the problem is that their idols and their political leaders are telling them to think that way. It's also part of the reason why 90% of blacks vote Democrat. Democrats keep saying that Republicans are majority racist when they just pick and choose topics to make our party LOOK like it's racist. I'm not so why you think there are SOOOO many racists out there because in the extreme part of that word and the actions that go along with it. There really isn't. Nobody's burning crosses or lynching people anymore and the only time I hear the N-word uttered is by other black people!

If that's what black people think is the problem then it's blown way out of proportion. If it's lesser things like people's preconceived notions about culture. Then there isn't really anything that can be done.

I don't really think it's that big of a problem, especially since you say there will always be some form of racism. That's no excuse of course for these political groups to be acting in the manner that they are just to get on TV and worse, the Radio.
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Ah. Because YOU don't see it, it must not exist. You won't listen to me...so maybe you'll listen to one of your own.

Perhaps you'd benefit from reading what the only black Republican senator had to say a few days ago about whether racism still exists:

Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) has scheduled three speeches on the floor of the U.S. Senate to discuss issues in the aftermath of the police shootings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile and the murders of five Dallas law enforcement officers.

He began on Monday and in a speech yesterday, Sen. Scott revealed biased treatment he has received over his life including his time in the U.S. Senate. His midday address was sobering.

"There are a few ways to identify a member of Congress or the Senate. Typically if you've been here a few years they identify you by face. But if that doesn't happen and they have a badge, a license or this really cool pin," Sen. Scott said, referencing the pin that members of the U.S. House and Senate wear to be identified by doorkeepers around the chambers and by the police.

"It's easy to identify a U.S. Senator by their pin. I recall walking into an office building just last year. The officer looked at me with a little attitude and said, 'The pin, I know. You, I don't. Show me your ID,' Scott said.

"I was thinking to myself: either he thinks I'm committing a crime as a member of Congress or what?"

Scott said he later received a phone call from the U.S. Capitol Police Officer's supervisor. This was the third phone call from a supervisor—including one from the Chief of the U.S. Capitol Police—after such a stop.

The Senator from South Carolina also relayed police stops in South Carolina.

"In the course of one year I've been stopped seven times by law enforcement officers. Not four. Not five. Not six. I was stopped seven times in one year as an elected official. Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of times I was stopped for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or some other reason just as trivial," Scott said.

"Boy, don't you know you have a busted tail light," Scott said on the Senate Floor, as he recounted a story of how he was stopped by police before he was in elected office.

"I do not know many African-American men who do not have a very similar story to tell no matter their profession. No matter their income. No matter their disposition in life," Sen. Scott added.

The Senator also told a story of a 30-year-old African-American member of his staff who drove a Chrysler 300 and was stopped in Washington, D.C. several times. Finally, Scott said, the staffer switched to a less expensive looking car.

In other words, YOU don't see the racism because it's not directly affecting you...but it sure as heck IS there, and it sure as heck IS affecting the black community each and every day. For them, it is a fact of life.

They can't change us - only WE can change us. If we refuse to change our attitudes towards them, if we do not do whatever we can to minimize racism, if we continue to tell them that there's little or no racism when they can see it plain as day, then why should they want to change their attitudes towards us?
 
Mithrae said:
Since there many who feel that the pace of social and demographic change is too fast and respond inappropriately - reactionary tendencies, divisive rhetoric and even violence - isn't it also evident that there is equally inappropriate behaviour from many who feel that the pace of change is too slow?
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Gotta be careful of being to quick to assume equivalency where no equivalency is possible. Look again at what I posted - in every nation, there is a dominant demographic (whether that demographic is racial, ethnic, or religious)...which means that there is no other group that is as powerful. I quite agree that there might be as many on each side who would be prejudiced and who would act on said prejudice, but the very fact that one side is socioeconomically dominant means that any prejudicial acts committed by people on that side would have greater, more egregious and deleterious effects. It's just as in a war - the side that has more firepower will be better able to kill more people.

In other words, one side is not as guilty as the other.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
How did it "earn it?"
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Hard work. There is a reason why the White nations are what they are while the Black nations are what they are.

Given that Africa is the root of human civilization they should be the most advanced, ..... but ......
 
blaxshep said:
Hard work. There is a reason why the White nations are what they are while the Black nations are what they are.

Given that Africa is the root of human civilization they should be the most advanced, ..... but ......
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Please elaborate on those reasons? And is America a "white nation?" (Remember, that is where this thread is based)

Vox said:
Ummmmm.........like one is successful and the other predominantly fails except at music and sports?
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That's just areas where some races are supposed to do well however a white Russian world heavyweight boxing champion and Beethoven show that different races can be successful in specific genres.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
In other words, YOU don't see the racism because it's not directly affecting you...but it sure as heck IS there, and it sure as heck IS affecting the black community each and every day. For them, it is a fact of life.

They can't change us - only WE can change us. If we refuse to change our attitudes towards them, if we do not do whatever we can to minimize racism, if we continue to tell them that there's little or no racism when they can see it plain as day, then why should they want to change their attitudes towards us?
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But We HAVE and we've been doing so for at least a hundred + years! So what is it? Is it the specific things like calling people the N-word or lynchings, or is it the feelings EVERYONE has when dealing with a culture or people they don't understand? As I said if it's the latter, there isn't anything we can do about it. There will always be a group that feels marginalized. There will always be groups that hate each other, but to say this is widespread is wrong on both sides. Even if we have rampant communism put in place today. No one person is the same.
 
ModerateGOP said:
But We HAVE and we've been doing so for at least a hundred + years! So what is it? Is it the specific things like calling people the N-word or lynchings, or is it the feelings EVERYONE has when dealing with a culture or people they don't understand? As I said if it's the latter, there isn't anything we can do about it. There will always be a group that feels marginalized. There will always be groups that hate each other, but to say this is widespread is wrong on both sides. Even if we have rampant communism put in place today. No one person is the same.
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You do realize that during that 100+ years, we still had Jim Crow, and it wasn't until three years ago that MS finalized ratification of the 13th Amendment banning slavery.

It is very true that as long as there are different shades of skin, there will be racism...but that is NO excuse to ignore it and to allow it to fester. That is NO excuse to not address racist acts whenever they happen. That is NO excuse to assume that it doesn't adversely affect thirty-plus million Americans, and so affects all Americans.

Your point is no different from saying, "There will always be bullies in the schoolyard, so why do anything about it? Since there will always be bullies, we should just accept that fact and do nothing to stop the bullying."
 
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