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My thoughts exactly

iamwhatiseem said:
If my tax dollars are paying the bill for their irresponsibility and poor choice - absolutely my business. At this time, American tax dollars subsidize approx. 24% of abortion costs.
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Source the bold please.

iamwhatiseem said:
If Harris wins - that will escalate a BUNCH.
Making it easier for more women to make those bad choices with no repercussions. We pay their bills.
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Since when is enjoying sex responsibly with birth control a "bad choice"? It's great, but sometimes accidents happen.

You have to subsidize care for the "accidents" skiers and car drivers have, and their injuries, why is paying for an abortion different?

iamwhatiseem said:
Getting pregnant is overwhelmingly a voluntary action. It is very-very easy to avoid a pregnancy for the vast-vast majority of women.
They choose to do nothing and have sex anyway.
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It's really amusing that you believe denying abortions will lead to less sex. It's the strongest urge on earth and all thru history, nothing has slowed down exercising that urge. In the past it was much more dangerous, for both men and women...and it didnt stop them. Death, disease, exile, public beatings and jail, disownment, etc etc etc. What makes you think that denying abortions in our modern era will? That's completely illogical.

You are not successfully covering up your judgements with "this will reduce...." It wont. It never has.

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iamwhatiseem said:
Yes, why would it not?
Are you saying it is better to let them do whatever they want because society will cover the cost is a better option?
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You cant stop people from having sex...historically not possible...and accidents do happen since no bc is 100% effective.

So what you are doing in denying women abortions is creating single mothers. Just let me know that you realize that, OK? You are creating the very thing that you are sitting there typing away at, denigrating...and yet would deny them the means to avoid it. :rolleyes:

The right blames many of society's ills on single mothers...and yet here you are, proposing foisting more on society :rolleyes: More illogic.

People arent going to stop having sex...you are using that excuse to hide your own judgmental agenda behind. And as you continue disrespecting women, you illogically want these "irresponsible" women to now raise children. :rolleyes:

Your posts dont include a single sensible premise.

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iamwhatiseem said:
No
My point is taxpayers should not subsidize irresponsibility.
You answer is to take money from the responsible to give to the irresponsible. - But that is the absolute foundation of the current Democrat Party.
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Choosing to be a single mother if you know you will need public assistance, child care, food stamps, etc is irresponsible then, right? Why would you want to encourage that? Why deny her the opportunity to have an abortion if that's her choice?

And if she does have it, then yup, as pointed out elsewhere, taxpayers pay way more.
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US taxpayers save $7 for every $1 the govt spends on family planning​
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Publicly Supported Family Planning Services in the United States

LIKELY NEED FOR PUBLICLY SUPPORTED SERVICES There were 68 million U.S.
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So please explain to me why you'd deny women abortions that would save you and the other taxpayers millions?

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iamwhatiseem said:
I am an absolutionist when it comes to

Absolute bunk. All of it.
BOTH sides use the abortion issue to coral their base using fear tactics. BOTH.
BOTH.
And to say it is MAGA that wants to control the population - holy shit are you living under a rock that is under another rock??
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Why should it be a political or legal issue at all? Please explain?

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Credence said:
The most perfect answer ever !!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is what I have been writing here for years...how awful it is for such women or families that must make that incredibly sad decision to end a late term pregnancy when these would be people happily anticipating a new family member...now grieving the coming loss...and the govt intrudes on their grief and makes it worse. For no good reason...and it only causes more pain.

And Pete is the only other person I've ever seen lay it out like this.

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iamwhatiseem said:
If my tax dollars are paying the bill for their irresponsibility and poor choice - absolutely my business.
At this time, American tax dollars subsidize approx. 24% of abortion costs.

If Harris wins - that will escalate a BUNCH.
Making it easier for more women to make those bad choices with no repercussions. We pay their bills.

Getting pregnant is overwhelmingly a voluntary action. It is very-very easy to avoid a pregnancy for the vast-vast majority of women.
They choose to do nothing and have sex anyway.
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You tax dollars entitle you to know where that money is being spent... not whether or not Woman A is having an abortion or not.
 
Teatime said:
Just don't be surprised when boys who's body was permanently modified by a woman think it's ok to control women's bodies in turn.
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Comparing Circumcision to forced pregnancy is really ****ing weird.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
I also imagine being more responsible and taking very-very simple steps to avoid pregnancy is much cheaper than both
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Sex education is extremely important yet, as reality prevails, exceptions abound thus abortions are sought. Effectively rendering self-satisfying posts, such as yours above, more a practice of ideological dismissiveness in lieu of any form of meaningful insight.
 
Mach said:
Yes, you do.
Men are always looking for a way to burn it all down except their own private harems. Society, women, etc., keep their stupidity in check...sort of.
Some use religion to help create a culture that supports that artificial dominance, because they are too weak to live as equals.

And generally, the abortion issue is about generating vote support from confused Evangelicals who think religion in government, and harming women, is what Jesus would do.
Helping the poor/needy...well, that's forbidden, they should use their boot straps...

He who controls the spice, controls the universe. Some organized Religion likes to control the addictive things humans want, for control of society. It's just a historic fact.
The Catholic church and its enormous wealth, its ties to politics historically and today, its measured use of "we can promise you eternal happy life after death", "we can forgive you of all your sins!".
They sell Jesus to control people...tax free in the U.S. too, what a racket!

Many MAGA today believe empowering the middle class = control.
That vaccinations against deadly disease = control.
And religion controlling our lives? Totally normal and acceptable.
Crazy town USA.
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You've said it all right here!! That's exactly why this happens. Control. Jesus is whoever they want him to be, and God demands whatever they want. I can always tell who someone is by who their "God" is.
 
Teatime said:
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At least be clear with your answer. It's covered if there's a problem pregnancy that ends and needs a DNC. Why? Because it's reproductive healthcare!

Medicaid. The current version of the Hyde Amendment (adopted in 1997) allows federal Medicaid funding for abortion in cases of rape and incest, as well as life endangerment, but tightens the life exception to permit payment only when the woman's life is threatened by "physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself." Note that the Hyde Amendment has explicitly been extended to include Medicaid managed care plans, hence is binding even in instances where Medicaid has been "privatized."

Medicare. Again, because of the Hyde Amendment, abortions are not covered Medicare procedures "except if the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest; or in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed."
 
Ginger Ale said:
At least be clear with your answer. It's covered if there's a problem pregnancy that ends and needs a DNC. Why? Because it's reproductive healthcare!

Medicaid. The current version of the Hyde Amendment (adopted in 1997) allows federal Medicaid funding for abortion in cases of rape and incest, as well as life endangerment, but tightens the life exception to permit payment only when the woman's life is threatened by "physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself." Note that the Hyde Amendment has explicitly been extended to include Medicaid managed care plans, hence is binding even in instances where Medicaid has been "privatized."

Medicare. Again, because of the Hyde Amendment, abortions are not covered Medicare procedures "except if the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest; or in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed."
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www.forbes.com

Are American Taxpayers Paying For Abortion?

As best I can determine, taxpayers subsidize roughly 24% of all abortion costs in the U.S. with 6.6% borne by federal taxpayers and the remaining 17.4% picked up by state taxpayers. If we apply the 24% figure to the total number of abortions, it is as if taxpayers pay the full cost of 250,000...
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