My kinda guy and he defies the MSM bias

[zip98053]

Re: My kinda guy and he defies the MSM

The media is anti-gun and pro gay....to hell with them!

Let me guess, you are pro-gun and anti-gay and the mainstream media is tormenting you with their articles that don't perfectly align with your opinions?

 

[Hatuey]

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Seemed there for awhile that each sitcom has the perfunctory gay guy or lesbian gal as a requirement.

When 97% of the population is of the straight orientation, what sort of justification is there for writing in the perfunctory LGBT role? Other than forcing that onto the viewing public?

Maybe they hire gay people because pretty much anyone living in a city - where most sitcoms are actually based - has a gay friend? I'd even venture to say that 90% of the urban population has a gay friend. Considering most sitcoms are aimed towards the 18-40 groups, I'd venture to guess that there are gays in sitcoms because most young urban people today tend to have at least one gay friend. I don't see what your problem is. Black people only make up 10% of the population, yet they're in many sitcoms. Do you have an issue with that too? There are quite a few famous redheaded characters as of late even though they occupy the same demographic space as gays. Do you have a problem with that too? I just don't see your problems. Yes, there are gay people, black people, and people who are other types of minorities on TV. Why do you have a problem with it?

 

[eohrnberger]

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Does your TV have an ON/OFF button?

It does. Probably why I'm mostly watching the History channel, discovery channel, etc.

Regardless, from your position, I suppose that I'm not worthy of TV then, How nice and tolerant of you. You don't even really know me.

Unlike your excluding people, I'd content that my position is more tolerant from the stand point of I don't care, I just don't want to know about it, and I don't want it shoved in my face either.

Maybe they hire gay people because pretty much anyone living in a city - where most sitcoms are actually based - has a gay friend? I'd even venture to say that 90% of the urban population has a gay friend. Considering most sitcoms are aimed towards the 18-40 groups, I'd venture to guess that there are gays in sitcoms because most young urban people today tend to have at least one gay friend. I don't see what your problem is. Black people only make up 10% of the population, yet they're in many sitcoms. Do you have an issue with that too? There are quite a few famous redheaded characters as of late even though they occupy the same demographic space as gays. Do you have a problem with that too? I just don't see your problems. Yes, there are gay people, black people, and people who are other types of minorities on TV. Why do you have a problem with it?

That's stringing an awfully large number of guesses and assumption together, straining for some sort of rationalization.

If, as you surmise, that the sitcoms are a reflection of the common experience, doesn't the defeat your own premise from the stand point that there is only 3% of the population that is LGBT? I'd content, just by the percentages, that no, not everyone has a gay friend, and no, not everyone knows someone who's gay. I'm not seeing the population percentages support those assumptions.

 

[eohrnberger]

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There isn't a "perfunctory LGBT role" in every sitcom. That's simply false.

Kobie, it's not a provable nor a disprovable, really. All I said is that it 'seemed' to be the case. Your own mileage may vary.

 

[Redress]

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I'm sick and tired of gays throwing their perverted crap in my face....from parades, to protests, to TV shows.....I'm tired of the national bullying tactics from only 3% of the population!! I'm part of the 97% and I say enough is enough!!!!
They need to go back into the closet!

 

[CMPancake]

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So what happens if a gay gun owner walks in with a BMW in need of repairs?

 

[Kobie]

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Kobie, it's not a provable nor a disprovable, really. All I said is that it 'seemed' to be the case. Your own mileage may vary.

The only sitcoms to appear in the Nielsen top 25 for the week ending April 12 are The Big Bang Theory, The Odd Couple, Mom, The Goldbergs, The Middle, Black-ish, and Modern Family. Only Modern Family has any gay regular characters, and Black-ish has one recurring lesbian character, as per Wikipedia.

 

[Redress]

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So what happens if a gay gun owner walks in with a BMW in need of repairs?

 

[eohrnberger]

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The only sitcoms to appear in the Nielsen top 25 for the week ending April 12 are The Big Bang Theory, The Odd Couple, Mom, The Goldbergs, The Middle, Black-ish, and Modern Family. Only Modern Family has any gay regular characters, and Black-ish has one recurring lesbian character, as per Wikipedia.

So it is there, but perhaps I over stated the frequency, but then, I was referring to the past and not the present.

 

[eohrnberger]

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I have to admit, I did chuckle when I read that. Yeah, pretty crazy what some people's beliefs will make them do. In some instances there's stoning and beheading.

 

[Hatuey]

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That's stringing an awfully large number of guesses and assumption together, straining for some sort of rationalization.

Nope, I'm going by your statements. You have a problem with minorities and things which aren't the norm being on television. I'm simply asking if you apply this to all minorities or if you only discriminate when it comes to gays. Do you have a problem with seeing so many blacks on television too? After all, they are ONLY 1 out of 10 people in this country. Or do you only have a problem with gays?

If, as you surmise, that the sitcoms are a reflection of the common experience,

They aren't the common experience. They are a reflection of a certain demographic's actual experience. They are the common experience for the audience for which they're created. Friends was aimed at young professionals living in cities. It had many young professionals coming and going through the show and dealt with issues like unemployment, children, management of one's love lives, and serial daters. The Big Bang is aimed towards young adults living in cities but not quite engaged in their professional lives. It focuses on a lot of topics which see employment as a periphery. The Jeffersons were aimed towards blacks and other minorities. It had episodes dealing with poverty, racism, the ghetto experience etc.

They weren't made for all groups of people. They were made for a select group of people within a much larger demographic. The thing is, no matter who it was made for, you're not forced to watch any show which shows gays, so there is no agenda being pushed on you. :shrug:

doesn't the defeat your own premise from the stand point that there is only 3% of the population that is LGBT?

Nope, because you didn't understand the point I made in the previous post. I just explained it to you in a much, much clearer way.

I'd content, just by the percentages, that no, not everyone has a gay friend, and no, not everyone knows someone who's gay. I'm not seeing the population percentages support those assumptions.

Well, you can contend as much as you want but we can look at the data. Here is a poll in the US taken by NBC with 2 years for reference:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_gays_lesbians_060910.pdf

More than three quarters of Americans today say they know someone who is gay or lesbian, a
figure that has grown dramatically over the past two decades. When this question was asked in
1992, 56% of Americans said they did not know anyone who was gay or lesbian. More than six
in 10 have a close friend, work colleague, or relative who is gay or lesbian.

Do You Know Someone Who is Gay or Lesbian?


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It seems like the data is saying something else. It says that 77% or nearly 8 out of 10 people do know someone who is gay. Do you believe the media should make tv shows for the minority who don't?

 

[eohrnberger]

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Nope, I'm going by your statements. You have a problem with minorities and things which aren't the norm being on television. I'm simply asking if you apply this to all minorities or if you only discriminate when it comes to gays. Do you have a problem with seeing so many blacks on television too? After all, they are ONLY 1 out of 10 people in this country. Or do you only have a problem with gays?

They aren't the common experience. They are a reflection of a certain demographic's actual experience. They are the common experience for the audience for which they're created. Friends was aimed at young professionals living in cities. It had many young professionals coming and going through the show and dealt with issues like unemployment, children, management of one's love lives, and serial daters. The Big Bang is aimed towards young adults living in cities but not quite engaged in their professional lives. It focuses on a lot of topics which see employment as a periphery. The Jeffersons were aimed towards blacks and other minorities. It had episodes dealing with poverty, racism, the ghetto experience etc.

They weren't made for all groups of people. They were made for a select group of people within a much larger demographic. The thing is, no matter who it was made for, you're not forced to watch any show which shows gays, so there is no agenda being pushed on you. :shrug:



Nope, because you didn't understand the point I made in the previous post. I just explained it to you in a much, much clearer way.



Well, you can contend as much as you want but we can look at the data. Here is a poll in the US taken by NBC with 2 years for reference:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_gays_lesbians_060910.pdf



Do You Know Someone Who is Gay or Lesbian?


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It seems like the data is saying something else. It says that 77% or nearly 8 out of 10 people do know someone who is gay. Do you believe the media should make tv shows for the minority who don't?

OK, granted that the shows are targeted for their audiences, and maybe I'm just getting old. I have the channel changer, so no one is forcing anything on me that I don't chose to see. But that's much different than in public, where I don't have a channel changer, and where the mere walking down the street in public . . . .

 

[Hatuey]

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OK, granted that the shows are targeted for their audiences, and maybe I'm just getting old. I have the channel changer, so no one is forcing anything on me that I don't chose to see. But that's much different than in public, where I don't have a channel changer, and where the mere walking down the street in public . . . .

Hm. Interesting. Okay so your problem is just... with... stuff you see in public? I don't know what to tell you. I've lived in major American/Canadian cities as well as the backwoods of Vermont. I was never "forced" to see things I didn't like. As a matter of fact, I never even ventured into gay areas without knowing it. Are you venturing into gay areas of the city without knowing it? I can understand how you'd do that if you don't know the city well but that's different than simply not going to areas you don't like. Are you also forced to walk by stores owned by other minorities you find objectionable? I don't. Maybe I just live in a place where I can do that but I just don't see where you're forced to see or do anything. I'm not forced to deal in any personal way with Chinese restaurants even though I find a lot of their food gross. Are you forced to do something about stores which you find objectionable? What do you suggest we do about every store you and people like you find objectionable?

 

[Thrilla]

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the mechanic, no matter how good he is with cars... is a business moron.

 

[eohrnberger]

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Hm. Interesting. Okay so your problem is just... with... stuff you see in public? I don't know what to tell you. I've lived in major American/Canadian cities as well as the backwoods of Vermont. I was never "forced" to see things I didn't like. As a matter of fact, I never even ventured into gay areas without knowing it. Are you venturing into gay areas of the city without knowing it? I can understand how you'd do that if you don't know the city well but that's different than simply not going to areas you don't like. Are you also forced to walk by stores owned by other minorities you find objectionable? I don't. Maybe I just live in a place where I can do that but I just don't see where you're forced to see or do anything. I'm not forced to deal in any personal way with Chinese restaurants even though I find a lot of their food gross. Are you forced to do something about stores which you find objectionable? What do you suggest we do about every store you and people like you find objectionable?

I was more working off of the OP on that, but yes, there are demonstrations and parades with what could be reasonably considered as behavior unbecoming of public display, and more appropriate for people's bedrooms and the privacy of their residences.

With that, I bid all a good night.

 

[Hatuey]

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I was more working off of the OP on that, but yes, there are demonstrations and parades with what could be reasonably considered as behavior unbecoming of public display, and more appropriate for people's bedrooms and the privacy of their residences.

With that, I bid all a good night.

So you're forced to go to these parades?

 

[Josie]

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The only sitcoms to appear in the Nielsen top 25 for the week ending April 12 are The Big Bang Theory, The Odd Couple, Mom, The Goldbergs, The Middle, Black-ish, and Modern Family. Only Modern Family has any gay regular characters, and Black-ish has one recurring lesbian character, as per Wikipedia.

TBBT makes gay jokes all the time about Raj and Howard's relationship. Not gay -- but they act like it sometimes.

 

[Amadeus]

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[eohrnberger]

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So you're forced to go to these parades?

In public. I could very well be on my business walking down the street and this parade goes by.

How about a level of common decency of behavior in public?

 

[sangha]

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Kobie, it's not a provable nor a disprovable, really. All I said is that it 'seemed' to be the case. Your own mileage may vary.

Actually, it is

Here's a link to the top 145 sitcoms as rated by IMDB
IMDb: Most Popular "Sitcom" Comedy TV Series With At Least 5,000 Votes

How many of them have a gay main character?

 

[sangha]

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In public. I could very well be on my business walking down the street and this parade goes by.

How about a level of common decency of behavior in public?

Common decency dictates people not getting so upset when someone else does something that harms no one simply because one does not enjoy it themselves.

I look forward to the day all right wingers let their reactions to homosexuality be guided by common decency

 

[Carleen]

Michigan auto repair shop says yes to gun owners, no to homosexuals

A Michigan car repair shop owner says openly gay people are not welcome at his business. And gun owners are.

Brian Klawiter owns Dieseltec shop in Grandville.

In a statement this week on his company Facebook page, he urged gun owners to visit his business, promising a discount for those who do.

"Enough is enough," his post said, declaring that the voices of conservative Americans are getting drowned out. He pledged to operate his business the way he sees fit.
Michigan auto repair shop says yes to gun owners, no to gays - CNN.com

:thumbs::thumbs:

How about a gay gun owner?

 

[eohrnberger]

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Common decency dictates people not getting so upset when someone else does something that harms no one simply because one does not enjoy it themselves.

I look forward to the day all right wingers let their reactions to homosexuality be guided by common decency

Common decency would be to not have to call for common decency.

 

[sangha]

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Common decency would be to not have to call for common decency.

Correct, we should not have to call on the right wing bigots to have common decency, but in a free society we have to tolerate their immoral indecency

 

[shrubnose]

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When have you ever seen a news person who is pro gun? They want folks to call the police(moronic...police can't save you) or hide in your closet, or under your desk(even more moronic).

They

never

say...this person was superb in his/her self defense gun tactics, good thing they had one...or..... You go girl..or guy! Nope!

Never? Not ever? Are you 100% sure of that?

That takes in a lot of territory.



"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll