Muslims account for 85 percent of casualties in al Qaeda attacks (1 Viewer)

[Arch Enemy]

I think I've found where all the moderate Muslims, certain forum members have been looking for, went.
Interesting that al-Qa'ida is more deadly to Muslims than to Americans.
SOURCE: Muslims account for 85 percent of casualties in al Qaeda attacks - Threat Matrix

The Combating Terrorism Center at West Point recently released a stunning report which found that Muslims have accounted for 85 percent of the casualties from al Qaeda attacks between 2004-2008. Even more astounding, during the last two years of the study (2006-2008), the percentage of al Qaeda's Muslim victims skyrocketed to an almost-unbelievable 98 percent.

 

[Arch Enemy]

No one?

awww

 

[roderic]

It's a silly premise.
World Muslim population accounts for around 2 billion people, all the "moderate" ones have been killed in terror attacks? lol

 

[Arcana XV]

This shouldn't be a surprise. Anyone with a working brain capable of doing math already knows who the real victims of Islamic terrorism are. The numbers don't lie. They kill each other a lot more often than they kill infidels.

 

[Arch Enemy]

It's a silly premise.
World Muslim population accounts for around 2 billion people, all the "moderate" ones have been killed in terror attacks? lol

Yeah it was a sarcastic joke.

 

[RDS]

And how many muslims did the americans kill in Iraq cuz of a lie which led to a war?

 

[Arch Enemy]

And how many muslims did the americans kill in Iraq cuz of a lie which led to a war?

Haha.

I guess you have a point. I bet at least 98% of all people America killed in the Iraq war was Muslim.

 

[Red_Dave]

I think I've found where all the moderate Muslims, certain forum members have been looking for, went.
Interesting that al-Qa'ida is more deadly to Muslims than to Americans.
SOURCE: Muslims account for 85 percent of casualties in al Qaeda attacks - Threat Matrix

Which is all the more reason for the west not to alienate the Muslims whom Al Qaeda is attacking.

 

[Mira]

The day that some will understand that there is Al Qaida on one side and then the rest of the Muslim world that has nothing to do with AL- Qaida on the other, they will be sparing some lives and avoiding hate crimes.

 

[Dutch]

And how many muslims did the americans kill in Iraq cuz of a lie which led to a war?

Apparently fewer than the muslims did. :shock:

 

[Dutch]

Which is all the more reason for the west not to alienate the Muslims whom Al Qaeda is attacking.

I'm not really all that impressed by the vaunted muslim fanatacism. They are, apparently, more of a danger to themselves than to anyone else.

 

[Mira]

I'm not really all that impressed by the vaunted muslim fanatacism. They are, apparently, more of a danger to themselves than to anyone else.

Agreed. Not only in terms of casualties but also in terms of their reputation and their place in the global society in the long run.

 

[Arch Enemy]

I'm not really all that impressed by the vaunted muslim fanatacism. They are, apparently, more of a danger to themselves than to anyone else.

Dutch,

There's a section in the actual West Point report, which claims that al-Qa'ida is nothing different than every other terrorist organization in the world.

Because we have some many terrorist organizations who we do not really conceive as being a threat to our national security, I can only conclude that the al-Qa'ida threat has been exaggerated. I term the American war in Afghanistan as "National Security harvesting"--- just like colonialism in Africa all the value and riches go to the top 1% of the society...

Empirically, I am more at risk of drowning than dying from a terrorist attack.

 

[Dutch]

Agreed. Not only in terms of casualties but also in terms of their reputation and their place in the global society in the long run.

Most worrying to al aqaeda leaders must be a fall in support in muslim countries themselves.


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Support for Taliban and Al-Qaeda falling, says EU counter terror chief
The EU’s anti-terror ´tsar´ has told parliament that Islamic support for terror groups like the Taliban and Al-Qaeda is dwindling.

Addressing a seminar on Thursday, the EU’s head of counter terrorism Gilles De Kerchove declared, "It is striking that public support in the Muslim world for such groups is actually going down.

"We are increasingly seeing messages posted on the internet in Islamic countries by people disassociating themselves from groups like Al-Qaeda and denigrating what they are doing supposedly in their name," said Kerchove.

"In particular, they are denouncing the ´kidnapping´ of the Islamic faith by these terrorists.

"All this should not actually come as such a surprise because it is people in the Muslim world who have been the main victims of such terrorism."

Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, the most notable being the September 11 attacks in 2001,while US-led forces continue to battle a recent resurgence by the Taliban in war-torn Afghanistan.

Despite falling support for such groups, De Kerchove, a former aide to the EU's security chief, Javier Solana, insists there is no room for complacency in fight against terrorism, particularly in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan......

 

[Dutch]

Dutch,

There's a section in the actual West Point report, which claims that al-Qa'ida is nothing different than every other terrorist organization in the world.

Because we have some many terrorist organizations who we do not really conceive as being a threat to our national security, I can only conclude that the al-Qa'ida threat has been exaggerated. I term the American war in Afghanistan as "National Security harvesting"--- just like colonialism in Africa all the value and riches go to the top 1% of the society...

Empirically, I am more at risk of drowning than dying from a terrorist attack.

Please explain this statement. I don't fully understand it.

 

[obvious Child]

Empirically, I am more at risk of drowning than dying from a terrorist attack.

And you have a much higher chance of being murdered by someone you know then of drowning. Who's the real threat in America? Your family and friends. That and fast food which leads to higher rates of death then anything terrorists could dream of.

Scary stuff eh?

 

[Arch Enemy]

Please explain this statement. I don't fully understand it.

Sorry,

I call it "National Security harvesting" because we are in Afghanistan with an occupational force (regardless of whether we prefer that term or not, it's occupational-- we've still not even left Germany), and the value we are supposedly getting from it is National Security.

I Liken it to the Empires of Colonialism, for example, where their mission in another land is to extract some value. We cannot extract any material wealth from Afghanistan, but the 1% is getting wealth through "fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here".

We shouldn't be afraid of al-Qai'ida.

 

[Mira]

Most worrying to al aqaeda leaders must be a fall in support in muslim countries themselves.


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It will happen sooner or later.

I trust that the Iranian people will topple the Mullahs at the end. When the Mullahs are gone, Hamas and Hizbollah will lose their support and strength. Notice that Hizbollah is more and more involved in Lebanese politics and concentrating on national unity, they know that their time is up, so they are securing their position as representatives of the Lebanese Shi'ites who have always been second-class citizens in Lebanon.

When Hamas loses Iran's support, a solution will be found in the Middle East and when the Israeli/Palestinian issue is out of the way, Al-Qaida will lose most of its support because so far it's method of recruitment has been to take the Palestinian issue as an excuse.

The biggest danger lies in Pakistan. If the USA doesn't succeed its mission in Afghanistan, the Taliban therefore Al-Qaida will take over Afghanistan and eventually Pakistan.

We always talk about the nuclear program of Iran which is still not there. We talked about WMD in Iraq, we never found any. But we know that Pakistan does have the nuclear weapons and we know where they are and so does Al Qaida.

 

[MSgt]

The day that some will understand that there is Al Qaida on one side and then the rest of the Muslim world that has nothing to do with AL- Qaida on the other, they will be sparing some lives and avoiding hate crimes.

You actually think the "world" is confused? Muslim governments throughout the Middle East condemned Al-Queda right after 9/11. And how many have sent their armies to fight along side the West in Afghanistan against Islam's enemies? Obviously they were more afraid of any kind of American retribution than a sincere shedding of tears for the American dead or some personal insult over what their "rogues" of Islam did to their religion's image. Let's go somewhere else with this...

- Middle Eastern Muslim governments condemn Israel as the scourge of the region every time a Palestinian gets his ass kicked, but do they recognize that Jordan's Black September and the Lebanese Civil War saw more Muslims kill Palestinians than Israel has managed to do in 60 years of warfare? Shhhh...

- Middle Eastern Muslim governments publicly speak against terror, but do they raise an eye brow towards the Sudan where an Arab slaughters in the name of Sharia? As the Arab press ignores it the Western press reports and people urge the the U.S. or the U.N. to do something. Shouldn't Muslims be taking care of Muslims in this region or is this old fashion Qu'ran thinking? Shhhh...


The problem here is that it is not the "some" of the world that have a problem recognizing the difference between Al-Queda and the rest of the Muslim world. It is the population of the Middle East that is confused about who they are. The population of the Middle East gets upset because the West sees this current trend of religious terror as an Islamic thing, but they fail to acknowledge that it is their own people that profess to wage war in the name of their God. They call themselves Islamic. All of their organization's titles come with a stamp of approval from "God." It is not the West that is or has ever branded them with labels. They do this themselves and then question how the rest of the world is taking it? Is there any other civilization on Earth rioting and slaughtering 200 people over cartoons in a Dutch newspaper? Yet, some people need to figure out the difference between Al-Queda and the rest of the Muslims?

The truth is that most Muslims in the Middle East are absolutely apathetic towards those that slaughter in their religion's name and are only "insulted" when the West has to address it. And another truth is that Muslims today are more loyal to a specific tribe within Islam than to God and this is why they have trouble figuring out who they are and who the actual enemies of Islam are.

 

[roderic]

Do Spanish Christians regard a Christian in the US who murders an abortion doctor as "one of their own"?

I have not seen any outrage or action to prevent a reoccurence, the Christian world community is either condoning or ignoring it.


200 people slaughtered over cartoons?
Yep, this proves that the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world are the same as Al Quaeda, there is no difference.
And there is no way you could know if the Muslim in your neighbourhood isn't hiding a bomb under his kaftan!

 

[Djoop]

You actually think the "world" is confused? Muslim governments throughout the Middle East condemned Al-Queda right after 9/11. And how many have sent their armies to fight along side the West in Afghanistan against Islam's enemies? Obviously they were more afraid of any kind of American retribution than a sincere shedding of tears for the American dead or some personal insult over what their "rogues" of Islam did to their religion's image. Let's go somewhere else with this...

- Middle Eastern Muslim governments condemn Israel as the scourge of the region every time a Palestinian gets his ass kicked, but do they recognize that Jordan's Black September and the Lebanese Civil War saw more Muslims kill Palestinians than Israel has managed to do in 60 years of warfare? Shhhh...

- Middle Eastern Muslim governments publicly speak against terror, but do they raise an eye brow towards the Sudan where an Arab slaughters in the name of Sharia? As the Arab press ignores it the Western press reports and people urge the the U.S. or the U.N. to do something. Shouldn't Muslims be taking care of Muslims in this region or is this old fashion Qu'ran thinking? Shhhh...


The problem here is that it is not the "some" of the world that have a problem recognizing the difference between Al-Queda and the rest of the Muslim world. It is the population of the Middle East that is confused about who they are. The population of the Middle East gets upset because the West sees this current trend of religious terror as an Islamic thing, but they fail to acknowledge that it is their own people that profess to wage war in the name of their God. They call themselves Islamic. All of their organization's titles come with a stamp of approval from "God." It is not the West that is or has ever branded them with labels. They do this themselves and then question how the rest of the world is taking it? Is there any other civilization on Earth rioting and slaughtering 200 people over cartoons in a Dutch newspaper? Yet, some people need to figure out the difference between Al-Queda and the rest of the Muslims?

The truth is that most Muslims in the Middle East are absolutely apathetic towards those that slaughter in their religion's name and are only "insulted" when the West has to address it. And another truth is that Muslims today are more loyal to a specific tribe within Islam than to God and this is why they have trouble figuring out who they are and who the actual enemies of Islam are.

DANISH, danish newspaper.

Aside from that I couldn't agree more, good post!

 

[MSgt]

DANISH, danish newspaper.

....Oh snap.

 

[MSgt]

Do Spanish Christians regard a Christian in the US who murders an abortion doctor as "one of their own"?

I have not seen any outrage or action to prevent a reoccurence, the Christian world community is either condoning or ignoring it.

Uh oh...... didn't think this through did you? When an abortion doctor in the West gets murdered by a Christian fundamentalist, other Christians who wear policemen's uniforms hunt him down. Then in court, other Christians who may be in the jury find him guilty. Then a judge, who may be Christian, sentences him. You seek "outrage" for a non issue. You see, there are no vast organizations of Christians crossing international borders to slaughter other Christians. There are no Christian organizations seeking to slaughter non-Catholic, non-Protestant, or Johava Witnesses. Christians don't riot, destroy, and murder every time Family Guy does a skit about Jesus.

And by the way..."8" people have been killed by anti-abortionists between the periods of 1993 ~ 2009. Here's a link to help out... Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . From this link you can also read about the trials of each murderer. Comparing the Christian fundamentalists to the Islamic fundamentalists is a bit pointless because what you only wind up doing is dragging down the West to Middle Eastern standards.

Comparing this to the slaughter grounds of the Middle East is a bit pathetic. You see...in the Middle East, there are literal armies of Islamic fundamentalists of various organizaitons who kill and slaughter Muslims. To content themselves and their determination to prove themselves "true" Muslims, they export their terror in North Africa, Asia, and Europe. They slaughter non-Arabs in Sudan. Muslims blood stains the region and the greatest blame by far goes directly back to other Muslims. And on 9/11 they crossed the ocean. If these be perverts of Islam and the Islamic governments "condemn" them...why is it that they do not assist in cleaning out the cess pool that is their region? Considering that Al-Queda kills far more Muslims than non-Muslims and that they recruit from throughout the Middle East, I would think that Muslim governments and their militaries would mobilize. But......Islamic fanaticism has this region and its govenrments by the balls, don't it?

Like I stated...it's not the non-Muslim that has things confused.

200 people slaughtered over cartoons?
Yep, this proves that the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world are the same as Al Quaeda, there is no difference.

The problems are those Muslims in the Middle East. Al-Queda is one organization. Want to see a list of Islamic fundamental groups between Cairo and Islamabad? What current events prove is that Muslims in the Middle East are more confused about who they are than any non-Muslim elsewhere.

 

[Captain America]

Muslims account for 85 percent of casualties in al Qaeda attacks

Is that s'posed to make me feel better about Al Qaeda? :mrgreen:

I still hate 'em anyways.

 

[roderic]

Uh oh...... didn't think this through did you? When an abortion doctor in the West gets murdered by a Christian fundamentalist, other Christians who wear policemen's uniforms hunt him down. Then in court, other Christians who may be in the jury find him guilty. Then a judge, who may be Christian, sentences him. You seek "outrage" for a non issue.

I am not seeking outrage, where did you get this idea from? lol
What is your argument with the above?
Are you saying Muslim policemen would not arrest a Muslim murderer, or what is it I supposedly did not think through?

You see, there are no vast organizations of Christians crossing international borders to slaughter other Christians. There are no Christian organizations seeking to slaughter non-Catholic, non-Protestant, or Johava Witnesses. Christians don't riot, destroy, and murder every time Family Guy does a skit about Jesus.

Yes, I knew this already.

Comparing this to the slaughter grounds of the Middle East is a bit pathetic. You see...in the Middle East, there are literal armies of Islamic fundamentalists of various organizaitons who kill and slaughter Muslims. To content themselves and their determination to prove themselves "true" Muslims, they export their terror in North Africa, Asia, and Europe. They slaughter non-Arabs in Sudan. Muslims blood stains the region and the greatest blame by far goes directly back to other Muslims. And on 9/11 they crossed the ocean. If these be perverts of Islam and the Islamic governments "condemn" them...why is it that they do not assist in cleaning out the cess pool that is their region? Considering that Al-Queda kills far more Muslims than non-Muslims and that they recruit from throughout the Middle East, I would think that Muslim governments and their militaries would mobilize. But......Islamic fanaticism has this region and its govenrments by the balls, don't it?

Like I stated...it's not the non-Muslim that has things confused.

"slaughter grounds"? You certainly know how to choose words for effect.
So, Muslims kill other Muslims, because of religious differences, they have things 'confused'? It couldn't be that in a region which is predominantly Muslim, they'd be on both sides of any armed conflict by default?
Whom should Middle Eastern governments "assist" in cleaning out the "cess pool" that the region is?