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Mueller's team seized 'voluminous and complex' evidence from Roger Stone

Athanasius68 said:
Yet again, he was tasked to investigate Trump collusion with Russia. Everything else is ancillary.
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Not really answering the question there.

Mueller is not out of line with the authority that he has been granted.

There is no way to spin it away from that.
 
Fletch said:
There is no reason you cant speculate. After all, you think there was collusion, so lets hear your theory.
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I never said there was collusion.

My guess is obstruction of justice and state crimes of tax evasion and money laundering (that they probably would never have discovered had Trump not run).

Now, for the rest of Trump's team and other entities like the NRA, who knows. A lot of people have to be sweating it out being that a thorough bulldog is the investigator.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Ok-- so when Mueller says that a senior Trump campaign official asked Stone if he could find out from Wikileaks what they had, what can one reasonably conclude?
It seems to me that one can conclude that Mueller is saying that the Trump campaign did not have a conduit to either Wikileaks or to Russia.
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Is that all of the info in the investigation?
 
Jezcoe said:
Not really answering the question there.

Mueller is not out of line with the authority that he has been granted.

There is no way to spin it away from that.
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It is answering the question. Hiding behind a Manafort conviction is dodging the issue that really matters- whether the president conspired with Russia.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Is that all of the info in the investigation?
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Nope. We know from the Papa D guilty plea, the campaign was not interested in what he said the professor had.
We also know that Mueller is not indicting anyone for collusion, not even theguys one would think would be "little fish."
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Why in the hell would he keep all that knowing that his arrest was imminent?
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To make the FBI waste tons of time going through it.

I would not be surprised if most of it was not of his deviant lifestyle.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Not according to Mueller. As even the article shows, Stone was not indicted for such connections and there is no indication that he had advanced knowledge of any Wikileaks dump.
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Yes, Mueller says that Stone was the campaign's conduit to WikiLeaks. He didn't charge him for it.

Stone was not charged with any crimes related to communicating with WikiLeaks about its activities, and he has repeatedly denied that he conspired with the group.

But the 24-page indictment against him details numerous occasions when Stone claimed to campaign officials that he had information about WikiLeaks or was in contact with Assange — and it depicts Trump aides and allies as acutely interested in learning about the group’s plans in advance.

The numerous interactions show that Trump allies were eager to leverage the hacked Democratic emails to their advantage — and that they saw Stone as someone with inside information useful in that effort.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
You would not so this is just another Bull S story. So damn funny to watch anti-Trump folks convulse over stuff like this.
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Just because you don't like the story doesn't mean its bull****. And I don't know who you think is convulsing, but I suggest you try to pull yourself together.
 
Athanasius68 said:
It is answering the question. Hiding behind a Manafort conviction is dodging the issue that really matters- whether the president conspired with Russia.
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The investigation isn't over yet, so we don't know.

But the complaint that Mueller is somehow out of his lane doesn't hold water. Locking up Manafort for crimes that he for real committed falls well within the realm of his authority.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Yes, Mueller says that Stone was the campaign's conduit to WikiLeaks. He didn't charge him for it.

Stone was not charged with any crimes related to communicating with WikiLeaks about its activities, and he has repeatedly denied that he conspired with the group.

But the 24-page indictment against him details numerous occasions when Stone claimed to campaign officials that he had information about WikiLeaks or was in contact with Assange — and it depicts Trump aides and allies as acutely interested in learning about the group’s plans in advance.

The numerous interactions show that Trump allies were eager to leverage the hacked Democratic emails to their advantage — and that they saw Stone as someone with inside information useful in that effort.
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Yes-- Stone lied to the campaign. Mueller shows that Stone didn't have that kind of juice.
The claim is that Trump & Co. and Russia colluded. This latest indictment doesn't even show that Trump & Co. and Wikileaks colluded, never mind Trump& Co. and Russia.
 
Jezcoe said:
The investigation isn't over yet, so we don't know.

But the complaint that Mueller is somehow out of his lane doesn't hold water. Locking up Manafort for crimes that he for real committed falls well within the realm of his authority.
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what is it, 34 witches so far? LOL
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Yes, Mueller says that Stone was the campaign's conduit to WikiLeaks. He didn't charge him for it.

Stone was not charged with any crimes related to communicating with WikiLeaks about its activities, and he has repeatedly denied that he conspired with the group.

But the 24-page indictment against him details numerous occasions when Stone claimed to campaign officials that he had information about WikiLeaks or was in contact with Assange — and it depicts Trump aides and allies as acutely interested in learning about the group’s plans in advance.

The numerous interactions show that Trump allies were eager to leverage the hacked Democratic emails to their advantage — and that they saw Stone as someone with inside information useful in that effort.
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Do you think Hillary's team wasn't interested in knowing in advance what Wiki leaks was going to release? I was in the hospital recovering from heart surgery and I want to know. :lol: Everyone wanted to know which shoe was going to drop next. I bet Assange's phone was ringing off the hook. The very fact that they were scrambling to find out what WikiLeaks had points to the fact they didn't know what WikiLeaks had. And for the record neither did I. :lol:
 
year2late said:
Can you link me to the Mueller report, I was not aware it was out yet.
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As of this moment I am correct regardless of your Hope's and dreams...

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Ikari said:
lol

Trying to redefine terms to escape? There have been many indictments, guilty pleas, jail time, etc. Of that there is no doubt. There's obviously some amount of wrong doing going about, and we'll see just how much it is, and how far up it goes.
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Ok, educate me. Which one of the American criminal masterminds was indicted or plead guilty to conspiracy with Russia to throw the 2016 election?

I'll wait.

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CaughtInThe said:
dude, we'll all know when he reports. pretending that there is no evidence (just because some dude like yourself isn't privy to it) is just guessing.

now, there have been indictments and arrests. that's what we know so far. we know Mueller is good at this stuff (from his past history).

if i were you, i'd prepare for the worst and then if it's not so bad you're good to go.
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Not for collusion there hasn't

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Cardinal said:
1. Trump was found to have been in business talks over the Moscow Tower project up to the election even while denying he had any business relationship with Russia.
2. His son helped to arrange a meeting between the GRU and the Trump campaign to get information on Clinton
3. His campaign manager shared polling data with the GRU.
4. His adviser was a conduit between the GRU and the Trump campaign.
5. His foreign policy adviser was arranging to get dirt on Hillary Clinton

Trump and his campaign were balls deep in collusion and conspiracy, and denying this fact requires having just crossed over from a parallel universe that bears little resemblance to our own.
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Wheres the charges then? You got nothing but CT.

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j-mac said:
Not for collusion there hasn't

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I think that's going to be the rallying cry from Trump supporters if Mueller finds that Trump killed somebody. No collusion baby!!!!
 
CaughtInThe said:
I think that's going to be the rallying cry from Trump supporters if Mueller finds that Trump killed somebody. No collusion baby!!!!
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Mueller's investigation Trump for murder?
 
j-mac said:
Ok, educate me. Which one of the American criminal masterminds was indicted or plead guilty to conspiracy with Russia to throw the 2016 election?

I'll wait.

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Why you trying to move the goal post?

Are you denying that people have been sent to jail, than many have been indicated, that plea deals have been cut? Quite the imagination on you, huh?

We'll see in the end exactly what can be shown, how many are caught up, and how high it goes.
 
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