Mueller releases memo summarizing FBI's interview with Michael Flynn

[Hatuey]

Is that what he lied about? Really? I don't think so.

You're either being obtuse or you're ignorant. Which is it?

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[Rexedgar]

You're either being obtuse or you're ignorant. Which is it?

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

Can’t have it both ways, huh?

:thumbs:

 

[Hatuey]

Can’t have it both ways, huh?

:thumbs:

Lol, these people don't live our reality.

Flynn going to prison, and his only(ne) supporters over here telling us they don't know if this man pled guilty or if he pled guilty to making false statements or if he even lied.

Lol, they desperate for some sort of W. They only taking Ls today and it's only Tuesday.



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[Visbek]

In my opinion, an incorrect statement that was not intended to deceive in any way should not be characterized as a lie.

Flynn deliberately intended to deceive with his statements.

There is no doubt whatsoever on this point.

Flynn didn't just lie to the FBI. He also lied to the Transition Team, to Pence, to Priebus, and after the interview he lied on a DoJ form (another felony btw).

Flynn has repeatedly admitted that he lied, and intended to deceive. That includes today, in court. The judge explicitly gave him multiple opportunities to change his mind. Flynn explicitly stated that he lied, and that he knew it was illegal to lie. His attorneys explicitly stated that Flynn was not entrapped.

Most amusingly of all: Flynn has spent the last year or so flipping on his Trumpworld buddies. Watching Trump fans defend him is utterly bizarre.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Seems obviously false to me. That's been the excuse of every aristocrat and monarch in history, more or less. Service, understood properly, is not an exchange--I give you this service and then you do something for me. That's work. Service is doing something without any expectation of any special privilege or reward, and as far as I can tell, Flynn deserves none.

Anyway, also as far as I can tell, Flynn was never in a place where he could "die for us." He was a senior commander in Iraq and Afghanistan; the only time he was actually anywhere close to real fighting was in Grenada, and even had he been killed there, that could hardly have been described as "dying for us."

Being treated justly is not a special privilege or reward with more civilized, I am saying that if your society cheats even those who are willing to protect and die for you out of being treated justly then you are going to have trouble finding people willing to save your bacon, because that Sir is a demonstration of supreme lack of appreciation.

 

[Hawkeye10]

When I read your posts, I read a person who is strategizing to bend-over-backwards to have Trump evade law enforcement, no less than Al Capone's lawyers did -- not a person who gives a damn about their country. You deflect from criminal activity and claim law enforcement, not the person being charged with criminality, is the problem.

Try reading without the fantasy.

 

[j-mac]

Hash what out? His sentencing is in 90 days. He admitted he knew his rights. Do you know what kind of career destroying move for himself, and his son he would make if he argued he didn't know his rights when speaking with law enforcement officials?

Seriously, it's like you guys think this is a game. People are going to prison over Trump's nonsense and their backhanded work to sell our country out to Russians, Turks, you name it, but I bet your real problem was Colin Kaepernick kneeling, huh?

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LOL, funny....But, rather than clever shots, maybe you could lay out for us the bolded above...Because, all I have seen going to jail are for process crimes, and stuff done long before any Trump campaign....Flynn, is an interesting case, and we will have to wait for the final word on what exactly he is sentenced for, but as for the others, I don't see anything connected to Trump.

 

[j-mac]

He wasn't under arrest. No such information was necessary or legally required.

As an aside Tanngrisnir,

Do you think it is a good road we are going down to politicize the DoJ, and FBI to go after election winners we don't like?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

As an aside Tanngrisnir,

Do you think it is a good road we are going down to politicize the DoJ, and FBI to go after election winners we don't like?

I think it would be a very bad thing, should that ever happen.

It's not happening in this case, although Trump really wanted to himself.

 

[j-mac]

I think it would be a very bad thing, should that ever happen.

On that we can agree.

It's not happening in this case

On that we disagree

although Trump really wanted to himself.

Don't know what that means...Sorry.

 

[sangha]

LOL, funny....But, rather than clever shots, maybe you could lay out for us the bolded above...Because, all I have seen going to jail are for process crimes, and stuff done long before any Trump campaign....Flynn, is an interesting case, and we will have to wait for the final word on what exactly he is sentenced for, but as for the others, I don't see anything connected to Trump.

Can you post a link to the place in the criminal code where it defines what a process crime is? Or is that just a weak attempt at defending foreign agents?

 

[AlbqOwl]

To the peanut gallery who are absolutely certain General Flynn committed treason, lied on multiple occasions, etc. etc. etc. even though nobody seems to have anything specific to illustrate this incredible insight they all claim to have. . .

The following sums up the facts pretty well. I doubt any of you will bother to read it, but it sums up the situation quite nicely:

Time for the judge to reject Flynn's guilty plea:
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/time-to-reject-general-flynns-guilty-plea/90500/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/is_the_flynn_guilty_plea_going_to_be_thrown_out.html

Possible, maybe probable, misconduct by the government re the Flynn case:
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14...mitted-serious-and-wholly-justified-felonies/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ess-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-lied

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/...hink-flynn-lied-then-why-did-he-plead-guilty/

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...ynn-sentencing-washington-owes-him-an-apology

This started out fairly simply and cut and dried, i.e. General Flynn misled Vice President Pence and some other members of the transition team. Did he do that? It is uncertain at this point but, amidst the media firestorm generated by the we-hate-anything-Trump crowd, he resigned his position as the appointed head of the National Security Advisor.

If this same scenario had played out during the Obama Administration, it would have been at most a quick blip in the media and quickly forgotten.

Flynn's only REAL crime, i.e. a crime anybody including the FBI would care about, is that he was associated with President Trump.

 

[j-mac]

Can you post a link to the place in the criminal code where it defines what a process crime is? Or is that just a weak attempt at defending foreign agents?

"Informally, in criminal procedure, process crime is an offense charged by a prosecutor alleging criminal conduct related to an investigation of a crime, but not to the crime itself. Examples include obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury and misprision of a felony. Also it can involve a misdemeanor, but punishment of crime is much lower."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_crime

Hope that helps.

 

[ashurbanipal]

Being treated justly is not a special privilege or reward with more civilized, I am saying that if your society cheats even those who are willing to protect and die for you out of being treated justly then you are going to have trouble finding people willing to save your bacon, because that Sir is a demonstration of supreme lack of appreciation.

Except, Michael Flynn is not being treated unjustly, nor has he been. So your point has no relevance.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

On that we can agree.



On that we disagree



Don't know what that means...Sorry.

Trump has expressed many times in the past that he wanted to use the DOJ/FBI to go after his political enemies.

 

[sangha]

"Informally, in criminal procedure, process crime is an offense charged by a prosecutor alleging criminal conduct related to an investigation of a crime, but not to the crime itself. Examples include obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury and misprision of a felony. Also it can involve a misdemeanor, but punishment of crime is much lower."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_crime

Hope that helps.

I asked for a link to the criminal code

As expected, you failed

 

[SCrider]

To the peanut gallery who are absolutely certain General Flynn committed treason, lied on multiple occasions, etc. etc. etc. even though nobody seems to have anything specific to illustrate this incredible insight they all claim to have. . .

The following sums up the facts pretty well. I doubt any of you will bother to read it, but it sums up the situation quite nicely:

Time for the judge to reject Flynn's guilty plea:
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/time-to-reject-general-flynns-guilty-plea/90500/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/is_the_flynn_guilty_plea_going_to_be_thrown_out.html

Possible, maybe probable, misconduct by the government re the Flynn case:
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14...mitted-serious-and-wholly-justified-felonies/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ess-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-lied

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/...hink-flynn-lied-then-why-did-he-plead-guilty/

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...ynn-sentencing-washington-owes-him-an-apology

This started out fairly simply and cut and dried, i.e. General Flynn misled Vice President Pence and some other members of the transition team. Did he do that? It is uncertain at this point but, amidst the media firestorm generated by the we-hate-anything-Trump crowd, he resigned his position as the appointed head of the National Security Advisor.

If this same scenario had played out during the Obama Administration, it would have been at most a quick blip in the media and quickly forgotten.

Flynn's only REAL crime, i.e. a crime anybody including the FBI would care about, is that he was associated with President Trump.

All your links seem a little outdated after today.

 

[SCrider]

A least my sniffer still works. Your sniffer isn't working anymore after the manure that the Dems have been shoveling on you. :lol:.

Really, with the **** show you support there is no way your you can get the **** smell out of your nose.

 

[j-mac]

Trump has expressed many times in the past that he wanted to use the DOJ/FBI to go after his political enemies.

IDK, there's a big difference to me between spouting off about doing something like that, and actually putting it into action.

 

[j-mac]

I asked for a link to the criminal code

As expected, you failed

I knew you wouldn't accept it, largely because your dishonesty is transparent....There is no such definition in the criminal code, so I gave you what are accepted standards within the legal community...

 

[AlbqOwl]

All your links seem a little outdated after today.

Anything that provides legitimate background and history on an issue cannot be outdated.

 

[SCrider]

Anything that provides legitimate background and history on an issue cannot be outdated.

These sources you used tend to be less then legitimate on many occasions....

 

[AlbqOwl]

Trump has expressed many times in the past that he wanted to use the DOJ/FBI to go after his political enemies.

If he has expressed it many times, you should be able to find at least one verifiable exact quote--not a paraphrase asserted by one of his enemies--that specifically said he wanted to use the DOJ/FBI to go after his political enemies.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Obviously the judge got everything he needed to dismiss his counsels attempt to minimize the severity of his crimes as being ridiculous, and what he got was the original. It was previously mislabeled. If you notice the date of the 302 given to the judge was February 2017, Not August 2017.

Link, please? I am seeing so many different conflicting sources, I would like to view yours.

 

[AlbqOwl]

These sources you used tend to be less then legitimate on many occasions....

Please cite any credible source that rebuts any statement in any of the links I provided.