Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:34]

[Deuce]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Face it though Jack, even if it turns out that "Democrats get their clocks cleaned" in November, do you honestly believe it's because there's a ground swell of support for Republicans? Have you seen the polling on Republicans recently?

Yeah, it's just like 2010. The party in power is always hurt by a sluggish economy and always has weak turnout during midterms. Both at the same time always means big gains for the minority party.

 

[Sabanist]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

No, conservatives playing the race card card is getting old. You guys bring up racism preemptively, all the time.

Like i thought, you got nothing

 

[Hamster Buddha]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

There's this group of people who describe themselves as moderate. Some might buy the "smaller government, lower spending" facade platform but are turned off by the radical evangelical wing that insists on making America some Christian Theocracy.

I believe that most Americans, if given the choice, would be Libertarian. I think it's just part of our culture to respect personal boundaries and the idea that "If it don't affect me or my family, than I don't care" is something that is shared by the majority of Americans. I also think this cuts across party lines, as there are many liberals who are there for the social reasons, and couldn't really care about the economic stuff.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Yeah, it's just like 2010. The party in power is always hurt by a sluggish economy and always has weak turnout during midterms. Both at the same time always means big gains for the minority party.

What's interesting this time around is that Republicans (and I may be wrong on this) have a worse reputation now than they did 4 years ago, when we were only two years separated from the Bush administration. Granted though, all sides are getting hit at this point in time by the ineffectiveness of government.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Face it though Jack, even if it turns out that "Democrats get their clocks cleaned" in November, do you honestly believe it's because there's a ground swell of support for Republicans? Have you seen the polling on Republicans recently?

Face it?

The Democrats getting their clocks cleaned has very little to do with the public's confidence that the Republicans can do better. It just means that they're sick and tired of the lies that they've been told and are ready to hear some new ones.

 

[Cephus]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Who are these "neocon" boogeymen you rant about? Really, libs call everyone they disagree with either a racist or a neocon.

Its an old ploy and its tired.

Just like crazy neo-cons call everyone who doesn't agree with them a liberal. It's just stupid. There is a listed lean for a reason. Only a fool would ignore it.

 

[Cephus]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

People don't vote for neo-conservatism, they vote for conservatism. They get pissed when they find out the person they voted for lied to them. This is the problem the GOP has. They just can't seem to walk it like they talk it and the stupid people that keep falling for it are starting to get wise to their game.

People vote Democrat or Republican, "conservatism" isn't on the ballot. Republicans in power are almost entirely neo-cons today, those are the people running the party and those people came, almost without exception, from expatriate Southern Democrats who abandoned the party as part of Nixon's Southern Strategy.

Or aren't you old enough to be aware of that?

 

[DA60]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Abortion I can see since many cons think it is murder/manslaughter.

But gay marriage? That's a pretty stupid issue to resign over, imo. If two sane adults want to marry each other, what sex they are is none of the state's business.

 

[chromium]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

I wont quit if gay marriage is framed as a states rights issue. I will quit over any change to the abortion platform.
Likewise, I'll quit over any changes to the current GOP views on religous freedom.

If beating the democrats means becoming the democrats, then I have no interest in beating them.

Why stop there? The repubs of today look more like the dems of lincoln's time. Guess you should never joined in the first place then.

 

[chromium]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

I believe that most Americans, if given the choice, would be Libertarian. I think it's just part of our culture to respect personal boundaries and the idea that "If it don't affect me or my family, than I don't care" is something that is shared by the majority of Americans. I also think this cuts across party lines, as there are many liberals who are there for the social reasons, and couldn't really care about the economic stuff.

They were given the choice in dozens of state ballots and failed. Most americans have proven that they will gladly be busybodies if presented an opportunity to act on their prejudices anonymously.

The only reason gay rights is happening is because the majority are finding out they have gay siblings, friends, neighbors etc, so dehumanizing some mysterious "other" for the hell of it is no longer an option. Otherwise, it would take 100 years just like reconstruction > civil rights act.

 

[chromium]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Is that a racist joke? Joke out of prejudice?

Seems like it... it seems you are assuming he's racist and wants to form a political party that is all old and white.... just because he's old and white.

huckabee is the intellectual inheritor of strom thurmond and george wallace, and as if homophobia is any better. It's all senseless bigotry, all the same.

 

[year2late]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

What if gay marriage were reframed as an individual liberty issue?

I don't support X, but will defend your right to X anyway.

Sounds like most pro-lifers I know. They do not individually support abortion but they support the right for another individual to decide for themselves.

 

[Archangel]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Just like crazy neo-cons call everyone who doesn't agree with them a liberal. It's just stupid. There is a listed lean for a reason. Only a fool would ignore it.

I don't call them liberals, I call them leftists, statists, or socialists. There's absolutely nothing liberal about you people.

 

[beefheart]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

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Well it looks like Mike Huckabee is gonna be on the wrong side of history... :mrgreen:[/I]
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See ya Hucklef***. No one will miss you on your little fringe island.

Go, now, leave. We are calling your bluff.

 

[beefheart]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

It seems there are a lot of Huck haters responding to this thread. My question is, why does it matter to you if you don't like the guy to begin with?

Same can be asked of you when you criticize Obama...you don't like the guy to begin with....

 

[beefheart]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Liberals cant pass up an opportunity to show their religious bigotry

I just dislike one more religion than you do.

 

[Archangel]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

See ya Hucklef***. No one will miss you on your little fringe island.

Go, now, leave. We are calling your bluff.

A prime time TV slot on Fox News is a "little fringe island"? And who is we? You're not part of we.

 

[washunut]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

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Well it looks like Mike Huckabee is gonna be on the wrong side of history... :mrgreen:[/I]
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It would be the best thing that could happen to the Republicans. The social conservatives have been an albatross around the neck of the party in national elections for over a decade.

Both of those issues are really in the hands of the Supreme Court not the politicians anyway.

 

[Sherman123]

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I would actually enjoy seeing the Republican Party shorn of these elements and lose a few election cycles and come out as a reformed institution than allow them a greater or even continuing voice in the direction of the party.

 

[Archangel]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

I would actually enjoy seeing the Republican Party shorn of these elements and lose a few election cycles and come out as a reformed institution than allow them a greater or even continuing voice in the direction of the party.

Why do Republicans need to become more like Democrats? Why do we need two parties that support immorality, abortion, and divesting of personal responsibility? How is America served by two parties that are virtually the same?

 

[Sherman123]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

Why do Republicans need to become more like Democrats? Why do we need two parties that support immorality, abortion, and divesting of personal responsibility? How is America served by two parties that are virtually the same?

Because they aren't 'virtually the same' and we don't share your beliefs on SSM, abortion, etc.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion [W:

Why do Republicans need to become more like Democrats? Why do we need two parties that support immorality, abortion, and divesting of personal responsibility? How is America served by two parties that are virtually the same?

How is it immoral to ask that everyone be treated equally under the law, and to respect individual rights. I thought you guys were the party of "personal liberty".

 

[Jiyuu]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

Good let him form his own "Old White Straight People Party".

That sounds a bit racist. I don't advocate "Gay" marriage but I accept it. If Governor Huckabee wants to give up, then he is being true to his beliefs. I can respect his right to that.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

People vote Democrat or Republican, "conservatism" isn't on the ballot. Republicans in power are almost entirely neo-cons today, those are the people running the party and those people came, almost without exception, from expatriate Southern Democrats who abandoned the party as part of Nixon's Southern Strategy.

Or aren't you old enough to be aware of that?

People vote based on which candidate they feel best represents them and their core values. Since the Republicans claim to be the representatives of conservatism, conservatives tend to vote for them.

Are you educated enough to grasp this very simple truth?

 

[Cephus]

Re: Mike Huckabee: I'll quit the GOP if they give in on gay marriage and abortion

People vote based on which candidate they feel best represents them and their core values. Since the Republicans claim to be the representatives of conservatism, conservatives tend to vote for them.

Are you educated enough to grasp this very simple truth?

Apparently you're not. Most people vote for the incumbent and vote straight party line, they really have no idea what the candidate stands for, especially since most elections run little more than smear campaigns against their opponents. And most people tend to vote either Democrat or Republican because they have no other viable choices, they vote for the perceived lesser of the two evils, not because they actually support the candidate up for election.