• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Medicare For All Would Really Suck

Integrityrespec said:
Nobody can do healthcare for free. Insurance is a business, they are taking a risk and they have overhead to cover. If we went to single payer the government would run the system and pay the healthcare providers but they still have to make a profit so they can pay the workers who have to process all the paperwork. Somebody will have to pay the bill the government isn't going to do it for free.
Click to expand...

Paying employees is not done from profit, that is a business expense. You need to understand how the world works a bit better so you can form a better opinion.

Peace
 
noonereal said:
Paying employees is not done from profit, that is a business expense. You need to understand how the world works a bit better so you can form a better opinion.

Peace
Click to expand...
Technically you are correct. If wages were not paid, there would be more profit though.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left say they want MFA. This shows that single payer would suck.
Click to expand...
Compared to what affordable alternative?

If seniors had a private plan versus the sucky Medicare, what would premiums cost them for a plan that covered unlimited hospital stays? The article points out that stays up to 60 days are covered by Medicare for a deductible of $1,408. Good luck finding a private insurer to cover a 60 day hospital stay for that out of pocket.

This is the problem with all the whining from the right wing about healthcare. Yeah, Plan X sucks!! What's missing is how to make it better.
 
Greenbeard said:
Adding an out-of-pocket cap to Medicare seems like a prudent idea. Let’s do that.
Click to expand...
Translation: Don't work on decreasing health care costs, just charge all increased onto the national debt.
 
BlueTex said:
You think COVID with Medicare is expensive, wait till you see how expensive is with NO coverage...
Click to expand...
What? There was plenty of coverage before Obamacare. I have had coverage for over 40 years.
 
 
OlNate said:
Or, you know, chill out with the military spending and make health care part of what you get for your taxes, like the rest of the civilized countries of the world...
Click to expand...
LOL. But you guys use the US to protect you and use those savings for your people.
 
noonereal said:
Honest, I do not want Medicare touched expanded anything. Why? It's wonderful and I don't want it changed in any way what so ever. I am too selfish. Sorry. I qualified for and got Medicare and the supplemental less then 30 days before I was diagnosed with cancer. The treatments then destroyed my kidneys. Long story short I came away with astronomical expenses last year. It did not cost me one penny more than the insurance premiums which are the smallest I have paid in decades.

Don't touch the program, don't expand it don't go near it. In fact, don't even allow anyone to walk by the room where the document is stored!

I simply don't have enough accolades for the program. BTW, I was at three of the top 5 cancer institutes in the country. My pathologist and radiology specialist are considered the best in teh world and they all took Medicare... I have yet to find anyone who does not.
Click to expand...
How do you think I feel when I have better insurance and it would be destroyed if the left played around with it?
 
bongsaway said:
As usual the gop argument is let's not even try it won't work. Here's an idea, let's try and see if it works. If it doesn't we can change it. Really quite simple. Why does the gop fight so hard against everyone having health care?
Click to expand...
Obamacare destroyed the good health insurance I had before it. I don't want the left messing with healthcare anymore.
 
Chomsky said:
Sorry to hear of your illness my friend, I'm hoping you're in remission.

I know someone that had the exact same experience as your, for a serious cancer. They are now cancer-free. They were treated at what might be the city's top teaching hospital, and in the end they owed something like forty bucks for something that slipped through the cracks. That's it! And their care, and the facility and docs, were all first-rate! Among the top in the country. This individual did a lot of research!

There are powers in this country that foster reams of disinformation upon a low-information segment of the public, and it's disgusting. MedicAid has been terribly stigmatized in this country. Yet I can't imagine very many, that once they've been on it, would ever want to leave it.

I have a lot of association with health-care workers. We often talk about it. They love MedicAid. They know exactly what they will get paid, and how they will do it. They hate, literally hate, private insurers! Hate them with a passion!
Click to expand...
Medicaid exists for the poor slobs of the country. Their lives are hellholes. Wouldn't these people be better off if they weren't poor and had to pay more for health insurance?
 
noonereal said:
Healthcare for profit is absolutely immoral.
Click to expand...
So where do you work in healthcare full time for free? Be specific. If the answer is none, I guess you just confessed to being "absolutely immoral," right?
 
Casper said:
That is why you still carry a supplemental insurance plan along with your Medicare, works great for me and my wife.
Click to expand...
Casper said:
That is why you still carry a supplemental insurance plan along with your Medicare, works great for me and my wife.
Click to expand...
Which is my point about MFA. MFA all by itself sucks and the left want MFA, which would make you have to pay for separate insurance. If you have to do that then why not just have one insurance instead of having to have two?
 
Greenbeard said:
But Obamacare saved $800 billion in Medicare costs over the past decade. That's good!
Click to expand...

Did you pull that number out of your ass? I find that hard to believe, especially since the Medicare expansion covered many more people, costing the program even more money than it would have.
 
BlueTex said:
Unless your policy didn’t cover your pre-existing condition.
Click to expand...
Before Obamacare I had two pre-existing conditions. My insurance company charged me more for those pre-existing conditions but I was still covered. Obamacare caused my policy to be canceled because it didn't meet Obamacare requirements. So, I went on Obamacare for two years, paying one hell of a lot more overall (premiums plus out of pocket costs) than what I had been paying before. But, thank God I was now covered for pregnancies.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. But you guys use the US to protect you and use those savings for your people.
Click to expand...

For defense contractors like Lockheed, General Dynamics, etc.... the Pentagon is basically a single payor.

Not sure why Medicare-for-all couldn't serve the same role for hospitals, doctors, and pharmacies. Or why it would be any more communist tyranny.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, let's mandate that seniors have to spend more money on healthcare premiums. Hell, while we're at it, we can mandate that the poor spend more money on healthcare premiums.
Click to expand...

Moderate Right:

Why would a universal health care system which offered free medical care to seniors stricken by or suspected to have been infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus be such a nightmare in your mind? Look at the deaths in America compared to Canada or France or the UK. Universal health care certainly hasn't made things worse and there is a very strong case that it has made things a lot better in countries with universal healthcare systems.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
Moderate Right said:
Before Obamacare I had two pre-existing conditions. My insurance company charged me more for those pre-existing conditions but I was still covered. Obamacare caused my policy to be canceled because it didn't meet Obamacare requirements. So, I went on Obamacare for two years, paying one hell of a lot more overall (premiums plus out of pocket costs) than what I had been paying before. But, thank God I was now covered for pregnancies.
Click to expand...


What were the pre-existing conditions?
 
Moderate Right said:
Before Obamacare I had two pre-existing conditions. My insurance company charged me more for those pre-existing conditions but I was still covered. Obamacare caused my policy to be canceled because it didn't meet Obamacare requirements. So, I went on Obamacare for two years, paying one hell of a lot more overall (premiums plus out of pocket costs) than what I had been paying before.
Click to expand...

We don't need to get in to your individual situation. I am sorry if it hurt you in some way. But we can't be arguing public health policy based on your individual situation.

But the net result of Obamacare has been that more Americans have health insurance than ever before in the history of this nation. We can't go back to what we had before. It was barbaric, inhumane, and unbefitting the wealthiest nation in the world. And until Trump finally tells us what his "beautiful healthcare plan that will cover everyone" is, it's the best we got.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom