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Medicare For All Would Really Suck

Guyzilla said:
You make a valid point. ALL states should have adequate ADVANTAGE medicare plans. And all elderly should sign up.
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Yes, let's mandate that seniors have to spend more money on healthcare premiums. Hell, while we're at it, we can mandate that the poor spend more money on healthcare premiums.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, let's mandate that seniors have to spend more money on healthcare premiums. Hell, while we're at it, we can mandate that the poor spend more money on healthcare premiums.
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I signed up for an advantage plan. It cost me ZERO. IT makes survival possible. Otherwise, I would live on the street, with heart failure, and would die rather quickly.



 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, let's mandate that seniors have to spend more money on healthcare premiums. Hell, while we're at it, we can mandate that the poor spend more money on healthcare premiums.
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Or, you know, chill out with the military spending and make health care part of what you get for your taxes, like the rest of the civilized countries of the world...
 
Greenbeard said:
Adding an out-of-pocket cap to Medicare seems like a prudent idea. Let’s do that.
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BS. If someone wants teh 20% covered they can buy a Medicare supplement and never have to worry about going broke no matter what the condition.

Medicare plus the supplement is less than half the price of regular insurance. What more can a person want? Good grief.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, let's mandate that seniors have to spend more money on healthcare premiums. Hell, while we're at it, we can mandate that the poor spend more money on healthcare premiums.
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seniors are getting pretty close to a free ride as it is and this is a good thing. Medicare is teh best insurance in teh marketplace. Period.
 
Moderate Right said:
This is what the left want for America:


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It is true that as currently written the basic Medicare does not have a yearly out of pocket limit.
For those who pay for a Medicare Advantage plan there is a yearly out of pocket cap. The cap is very similar to private health care plans.

Currently about 36% of those on Medicare have the Advantage Plan.
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A Dozen Facts About Medicare Advantage in 2020

Medicare Advantage enrollment has grown rapidly over the past decade, and Medicare Advantage plans have taken on a larger role in the Medicare program. More than 24 million Medicare beneficiaries (…
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mike2810 said:
It is true that as currently written the basic Medicare does not have a yearly out of pocket limit.
For those who pay for a Medicare Advantage plan there is a yearly out of pocket cap. The cap is very similar to private health care plans.

Currently about 36% of those on Medicare have the Advantage Plan.
www.kff.org

A Dozen Facts About Medicare Advantage in 2020

Medicare Advantage enrollment has grown rapidly over the past decade, and Medicare Advantage plans have taken on a larger role in the Medicare program. More than 24 million Medicare beneficiaries (…
www.kff.org www.kff.org
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Medicare supplemental pays 100% from teh first penny to last. Zero out of pocket expense.
 
noonereal said:
Medicare supplemental pays 100% from teh first penny to last. Zero out of pocket expense.
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Not all. Some have an out of pocket you must meet before they pay 100%. If I am wrong , prove a link that all supplements pay 100% from the get go.
 
Chomsky said:
Hell, let's just go full universal & be done with it!
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Honest, I do not want Medicare touched expanded anything. Why? It's wonderful and I don't want it changed in any way what so ever. I am too selfish. Sorry. I qualified for and got Medicare and the supplemental less then 30 days before I was diagnosed with cancer. The treatments then destroyed my kidneys. Long story short I came away with astronomical expenses last year. It did not cost me one penny more than the insurance premiums which are the smallest I have paid in decades.

Don't touch the program, don't expand it don't go near it. In fact, don't even allow anyone to walk by the room where the document is stored!

I simply don't have enough accolades for the program. BTW, I was at three of the top 5 cancer institutes in the country. My pathologist and radiology specialist are considered the best in teh world and they all took Medicare... I have yet to find anyone who does not.
 
Rexedgar said:
How would you pay for that?
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At the federal level, obviously through taxes. However at the personal level, a lot of citizens (and corporations) would be saving a sheet-load of money not having to pay insurance premiums.

I'd either expand Medicare, or MedicAid, for all. Just like it is, to be fine tuned as we go along. And just like with the current programs, signing-up would be optional. If you like what you've currently go, keep it.
 
K street is so entrenched in our system, not just healthcare. There is massive fraud, in healthcare, now. The penalties and enforcement make getting caught a ‘cost of doing business.’ Muck like the drug cartels expect some ‘losses.’ The insurance companies aren’t just going to fold up.

I went in for a procedure, (out patient,) a few weeks ago. When the missus got the Medicare statement the walkin surgery outfit and the doctor sent bills of about ten-thousand dollars. Medicare paid about a tenth. it’s a house of cards, among other shoddy structures......
 
Moderate Right said:
The left say they want MFA. This shows that single payer would suck.
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As usual the gop argument is let's not even try it won't work. Here's an idea, let's try and see if it works. If it doesn't we can change it. Really quite simple. Why does the gop fight so hard against everyone having health care?
 
noonereal said:
Honest, I do not want Medicare touched expanded anything. Why? It's wonderful and I don't want it changed in any way what so ever. I am too selfish. Sorry. I qualified for and got Medicare and the supplemental less then 30 days before I was diagnosed with cancer. The treatments then destroyed my kidneys. Long story short I came away with astronomical expenses last year. It did not cost me one penny more than the insurance premiums which are the smallest I have paid in decades.

Don't touch the program, don't expand it don't go near it. In fact, don't even allow anyone to walk by the room where the document is stored!

I simply don't have enough accolades for the program. BTW, I was at three of the top 5 cancer institutes in the country. My pathologist and radiology specialist are considered the best in teh world and they all took Medicare... I have yet to find anyone who does not.
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Sorry to hear of your illness my friend, I'm hoping you're in remission.

I know someone that had the exact same experience as your, for a serious cancer. They are now cancer-free. They were treated at what might be the city's top teaching hospital, and in the end they owed something like forty bucks for something that slipped through the cracks. That's it! And their care, and the facility and docs, were all first-rate! Among the top in the country. This individual did a lot of research!

There are powers in this country that foster reams of disinformation upon a low-information segment of the public, and it's disgusting. MedicAid has been terribly stigmatized in this country. Yet I can't imagine very many, that once they've been on it, would ever want to leave it.

I have a lot of association with health-care workers. We often talk about it. They love MedicAid. They know exactly what they will get paid, and how they will do it. They hate, literally hate, private insurers! Hate them with a passion!
 
Chomsky said:
At the federal level, obviously through taxes. However at the personal level, a lot of citizens (and corporations) would be saving a sheet-load of money not having to pay insurance premiums.

I'd either expand Medicare, or MedicAid, for all. Just like it is, to be fine tuned as we go along. And just like with the current programs, signing-up would be optional. If you like what you've currently go, keep it.
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We could create the tax and require employers to label it on pay stubs as "health insurance".... Conservatives would run here and start thread after thread about how their health insurance went down and the free market is so wonderful and we could have medicare for all.. sort of a win/win...
 
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