Latimes poll: Trump in lead...

[Chomsky]

Give it a break. A socialist is not likely to do better than Hillary. He couldn't even win among Democrats.

If you chose not to believe the polls, that's up to you.

I thought it was pretty crazy too, until the polls remained consistent.

 

[Hawkeye10]

If you chose not to believe the polls, that's up to you.

I thought it was pretty crazy too, until the polls remained consistent.

Have you heard a good argument for why this is? I have heard some attempts, but they dont ring true.

 

[Chomsky]

Have you heard a good argument for why this is? I have heard some attempts, but they dont ring true.

No idea - I just saw the polls only.

The only thing I could think of, might be that HRC & Trump play-off in a dead heat as two extremely (record) high unfavorable ratings candidates, whereas Bernie doesn't suffer from high unfavorables.

But that's just a WAG!

 

[iguanaman]

If you chose not to believe the polls, that's up to you.

I thought it was pretty crazy too, until the polls remained consistent.

And those polls had nothing to do with Sanders being a relative unknown? What would have happened after Trump and the RNC went after him?

 

[AlbqOwl]

Pay attention to the dates on those polls. Many of them happened in early June or sooner. Quinnipiac has trump up in the swing states while NBC has Clinton up by double digits in those same states. Who can be trusted? Based on the other polls, NBC is probably an outlier and the truth is they are absolutely neck and neck in the swing states. I'd throw the average out because NBC is skewing the results.

I do. But the average of all that RCP provides does mitigate some of the bias that we suspect is built into some. So that's where I usually go to see the trends. And the trend is showing Trump to be holding pretty steady while Clinton gradually loses ground. Can we believe them? I don't know. We'll know in November.

 

[Texmex]

Lead? Neither candidate even has their official nomination yet, wait for the poll in Nov, now that one will actually mean something. oh, darn I just realized what it means either way, me sad.:hm

MickeyW has to enjoy the election now. When Trump is beaten by Clinton, he will disappear like a fart in the wind.

 

[AlbqOwl]

And, as per usual, a poll (a new one, mind you) breaks wildly from the pack. We call this an outlier.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

Clinton leads handily in virtually every poll.

But Hillary has been losing ground in virtually every poll too and it is only the most recent ones that anybody takes seriously. Go back to the RCP site and look at the battleground states shown in the upper right hand of the home screen. Click on that and you will see Hillary and Trump getting closer to a dead heat all the time--virtually every one within the margin of error.

 

[Texmex]

Anyone who believes Trump has spent a tenth of what Clinton has is smoking the good stuff.

I'm smoking good stuff and I don't even believe it.

 

[FluffyNinja]

Am I reading you right that you dont give him any credit for doing as well as he did against the Clinton Party?

Who? Sanders? Hillary Clinton is a terrible campaigner with tons of personal/political baggage. Anyone with a pulse and no felony record should have been able to mount a strong campaign against her.

 

[FluffyNinja]

Bernie wouldn't be a guaranteed win for Trump.

Okay. Apparently you have more confidence in millennials actually turning out to vote in substantial numbers in a general election than I do. That and the fact that he'd have to win over a significant number of moderate swing voters to his side. I don't feel his socialistic doctrines play so well to that crowd.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Who? Sanders? Hillary Clinton is a terrible campaigner with tons of personal/political baggage. Anyone with a pulse and no felony record should have been able to mount a strong campaign against her.

OK, in that case you need to explain why O'Malley went NOPLACE.

 

[Captain America]

Far be it from me to interrupt a perfectly good Trump circle-jerk, but even with Keg-leg Clinton's recent woes and poll drops and DJT's enjoying his expected bump going in to the convention, the RCP averages still have Clinton up 2.7%

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

If the trends go as they have historically gone, DJT's convention bump with level back out with Hillary going in to her anticipated convention bump. I expect, barring some out of the blue October surprise, Clinton will go in to the general with a comfortable lead.

So the news is bad, no matter how we slice it.

 

[FluffyNinja]

OK, in that case you need to explain why O'Malley went NOPLACE.

No media airplay. O'Malley was actually a much more appealing candidate for the Dems in my view with a much more rational and realistic platform. Same with Rand Paul on the GOP side. Neither the ignorant, knee-jerk public nor the media want rational candidates that talk about real issues. From the media's perspective, they're just boring and don't attract viewers. From the public's perspective, they just make too much sense I suppose. :shrug:

*Notice I said, "SHOULD have been able to...."

 

[Hawkeye10]

No media airplay. O'Malley was actually a much more appealing candidate for the Dems in my view with a much more rational and realistic platform. Same with Rand Paul on the GOP side. Neither the ignorant, knee-jerk public nor the media want rational candidates that talk about real issues. From the media's perspective, they're just boring and don't attract viewers. From the public's perspective, they just make too much sense I suppose. :shrug:

*Notice I said, "SHOULD have been able to...."

I could have voted O'malley, if I was not primarily motivated by the rebellion. It was Trump and Sanders only for me. It might be that there are a lot of people like me running around.

 

[FluffyNinja]

I could have voted O'malley, if I was not primarily motivated by the rebellion. It was Trump and Sanders only for me. It might be that there are a lot of people like me running around.

The "Rebellion"? Is that what they're calling it now? How is it that Americans have become such dupes?

 

[Hawkeye10]

The "Rebellion"? Is that what they're calling it now? How is that Americans have become such dupes?

I do what I do, and in my opinion we are finally deciding to not be dopes.

 

[Captain America]

I do what I do, and in my opinion we are finally deciding to not be dopes.

Seriously? You're not thinking about voting for Hillary are you?

 

[VanceMack]

Terrorist attacks and black lives matter.

Thats what this election will likely come down to.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Seriously? You're not thinking about voting for Hillary are you?

??

I said way back in DEC that Trump and Sanders are the only two I can vote for.

Not being dopes anymore = rebelling against the incompetent morality challenged elite.

 

[Captain America]

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I said way back in DEC that Trump and Sanders are the only two I can vote for.

Not being dopes=[/SIZE]rebelling against the incompetent morality challenged elite.

My bad. I misunderstood you.

When you said you decided to stop being a dope I thought you meant that you no longer supported Trump.

All apologies.

Carry on.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Who? Sanders? Hillary Clinton is a terrible campaigner with tons of personal/political baggage. Anyone with a pulse and no felony record should have been able to mount a strong campaign against her.

You're being intentionally ignorant if you think the DNC wasn't massively tipping the scales in her favor.

 

[FluffyNinja]

I do what I do, and in my opinion we are finally deciding to not be dopes.

The word was "dupes." I don't think you are a dope.

And I agree that the entrenched 2-party system along with the electoral college needs to die a miserable death. I feel, however, that you are not seeing the bigger picture. The general public and the media that feeds it WANT divisiveness......they cherish it! It makes for great "news", mindless tweets, and a plethora of unsubstantial talking points. Its not that radical change WONT happen, its that I believe that it CANT happen in the state in which our society now lives, and its not just the Establishment's fault. Much of the blame must be placed on our lazy, uninformed, entitlement-minded society and the irresponsible media (both mainstream and social) that feeds it. Shame on us all.

 

[FluffyNinja]

You're being intentionally ignorant if you think the DNC wasn't massively tipping the scales in her favor.

So? Who said it wasn't? Please tell me......since when has that not been the case? Its kind of the ENTIRE purpose behind parties is it not? You know, to seek power through winning votes and government offices? Its in the best interest of their survival as an elitist club to get behind ONE candidate to oppose the other "club" which is seeking political power as well. Its Civics 101.....do you feel as if you've made some kind of revelation here? Exposed some kind of conspiracy? :lamo

 

[Abbazorkzog]

So? Who said it wasn't? Please tell me......since when has that not been the case? Its kind of the ENTIRE purpose behind parties is it not? You know, to seek power through winning votes and government offices? Its in the best interest of their survival as an elitist club to get behind ONE candidate to oppose the other "club" which is seeking political power as well. Its Civics 101.....do you feel as if you've made some kind of revelation here? Exposed some kind of conspiracy? :lamo

No, but for that reason I reject it as an applicable vehicle for delivering the liberation of the freedom of We The People.
And if you oppose that then you are as crooked as they are.

 

[iguanaman]

??

I said way back in DEC that Trump and Sanders are the only two I can vote for.

Not being dopes anymore = rebelling against the incompetent morality challenged elite.

Really? So voting for a megalomaniac Billionaire who goes thru wives like candy and doesn't even know how many articles the Constitution has is your "rebellion"? No one fits the bill as a " incompetent morality challenged elite" as much as Trump does.