king obama decides illeagals can stay put

[Mycroft]

I didn't call you an idiot, I said you come across as one. You presentation here can create false perceptions of who you are just like you believe that my comment leads me to be "among the ranks who commit personal attacks." I tried offering you a dialetical argument but you seem to overlook that and force people to say "Yeah it's all Obama's fault." You offer no real support for your stance even in the face of links that substantiate claims I've made. You're really not here to agree to disagree or respectfully agree. You're here to whine about Obama and assume that because we don't verbatim say "this or that is Obama's fault" we are somehow excusing him. So alas you do come across as a conservative idiot kind of like Bill O'Rielly.

Dialectic argument? LOL!!

No, dude...you have presented no dialectic argument. You have only excused Obama based on what someone in the past did.

Try again...or bow out as you said you were going to do.

In any event, I have never attempted to force you or anyone else to say, "Yeah it's all Obama's fault". I've only asked you and others to support Obama by showing that his actions are justified. "Bush did it" is not sufficient justification as I've pointed out many times. No more than it being okay for you to beat your wife just because someone else did it.

 

[Hypersonic]

Dialectic argument? LOL!!

No, dude...you have presented no dialectic argument. You have only excused Obama based on what someone in the past did.

Try again...or bow out as you said you were going to do.

In any event, I have never attempted to force you or anyone else to say, "Yeah it's all Obama's fault". I've only asked you and others to support Obama by showing that his actions are justified. "Bush did it" is not sufficient justification as I've pointed out many times. No more than it being okay for you to beat your wife just because someone else did it.

No I said Obama is "continuing" what his predecessors did. It doesn't make Bush culpable now in Obama's presidency, but it demonstrates that there is nothing unique to Obama. That means if Obama is not doing anything significantly different that any other presidents before him didn't do. I also said (or alluded) that Obama is a politician and that is what politician's do. They sell you a dream and convince people that they are different than the last person. I blame ever president for what they promise and didn't deliver. So again, I'm not sure what your intent is but Obama, just like Bush, just like those before them are culpable for what they promised and didn't deliver.

 

[Mycroft]

No I said Obama is "continuing" what his predecessors did. It doesn't make Bush culpable now in Obama's presidency, but it demonstrates that there is nothing unique to Obama. That means if Obama is not doing anything significantly different that any other presidents before him didn't do. I also said (or alluded) that Obama is a politician and that is what politician's do. They sell you a dream and convince people that they are different than the last person. I blame ever president for what they promise and didn't deliver. So again, I'm not sure what your intent is but Obama, just like Bush, just like those before them are culpable for what they promised and didn't deliver.

Spare me the deflecting balderdash. I never said that you are saying Bush is culpable for anything. I've only said that you are excusing Obama because Bush did it too. Furthermore, all of your talk of politicians promising and not delivering has nothing to do with this topic. It's just another attempt by you of excusing Obama because others have done the same (so you say).

Look...justifying Obama's actions because someone else did something similar is no justification at all. Justify Obama's action on the facts and merits (if any) of his actions...or go home.

Now...if you really think Obama is continuing what his predecessors did, then show me. Just make sure your argument deals with the topic of illegal aliens, specifically in regards to the "Dreamers". I don't think you can.

 

[obvious Child]

I'm guessing you don't even have an idea of what I was implying as a "centrist" and a "radical left" perhaps it was better stated as a "centrist" and a left wing partisan hack? This was written by a so called centrist:

"When our do-nothing congress sits on its hands and does nothing, our democratically elected president has to step up and do something.
If the G-nO-P doesn't like what he does, maybe they'll wake up and do something."

Hence we have a left minded partisan hack calling themselves a centrist. Pathetic.

But the GOP house has been sitting on its hands and do nothing except trying to repeal a law that when broken down, is loved by people. The GOP cannot even agree to enacting the Ryan Budget Outline. They tried to move from abstract to concrete and promptly gave up. They cannot even get on board with their former Veep Candidate's proposal who they've labeled a Wunderchild. The GOP house is a joke.

Again, your perspective is skewed because you've moved so far to the right that anything you disagree with is automatically radical left. We see the exact same behavior from the extreme leftists. You are no different from the extremist fringe on the left.

 

[CalGun]

Loved by the people? You are dellusional.

But the GOP house has been sitting on its hands and do nothing except trying to repeal a law that when broken down, is loved by people. The GOP cannot even agree to enacting the Ryan Budget Outline. They tried to move from abstract to concrete and promptly gave up. They cannot even get on board with their former Veep Candidate's proposal who they've labeled a Wunderchild. The GOP house is a joke.

Again, your perspective is skewed because you've moved so far to the right that anything you disagree with is automatically radical left. We see the exact same behavior from the extreme leftists. You are no different from the extremist fringe on the left.

 

[obvious Child]

Loved by the people? You are dellusional.

Poll: Republicans hate ‘Obamacare,’ but like most of what it does

Try again.

The GOP has done a great job of demonizing the whole, but when people talk about the parts, like removing the donut hole, no preconditions law, 26 year old student coverage, private insurance markets and no limits on coverage, people love the parts.

Again, your view is skewed because you consider anything that isn't lock step with your beliefs to be radical left. That's the same behavior of the extreme left who consider anyone who doesn't agree with them to be radical right. Your inability to see anything but a binary outcome is why you hold your belief on centrists.

 

[CalGun]

What a joke. I can deal with extremist just find but delusional I'll just ignore. Your beloved care was so popular your dictating loser in charge has suspended the majority of it.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

You could retire much earlier if you earned a buck every time you misinterpreted other's words...because that's all you've done here.

The fact that I don't accept your attempt to excuse Obama because "every other President has done the same" doesn't mean at all that I am excusing any other President. It simply means that we are talking about Obama here...not any other President. Or, at least, I am.

And why would you apply an attitude of contempt for Obama upon me? I have no contempt for him...I only think he is violating his Oath, the law and the Constitution. He's done some other pretty good things. After all, he got bin Laden and early on, he continued Bush's plan of action regarding the war on terror. He's done some things right...but overall, they don't make him a good President.

Tell you what...when you are ready to discuss Obama's actions instead of excusing Obama based on the fact that other Presidents have taken the same action...and when you are ready to actually understand what I say...then I may continue talking to you instead of dismissing your tactic.

Holy ****! :doh

Your entire premise is based on a false premise. Executive orders are constitutional. Doesn't matter if you delude yourself to the contrary. You may not like it, but Obama has not violated his oath, the law, or the Constitution.

You should know this because had he, he would have been impeached.

 

[Arbo]

Poll: Republicans hate ‘Obamacare,’ but like most of what it does

Try again.

A poll that is over a year old. Before so many more people got their hours cut, or laid off due to Obamacare, before so many more unions turned against it, before all the delays because government can't actually get done what they need to do.

:roll:

 

[justabubba]

What a joke. I can deal with extremist just find but delusional I'll just ignore. Your beloved care was so popular your dictating loser in charge has suspended the majority of it.

yes, because it makes so much sense not to adjust the timetable of a massive project like national healthcare so that refinements to the program can be made, resulting in a more useful program

kind of sums up why republican leadership so often fails our nation

 

[Mycroft]

Holy ****! :doh

Your entire premise is based on a false premise. Executive orders are constitutional. Doesn't matter if you delude yourself to the contrary. You may not like it, but Obama has not violated his oath, the law, or the Constitution.

You should know this because had he, he would have been impeached.

Oh, give me a break.

Yes, executive orders are constitutional. But executive orders that apply power he doesn't have as President are not constitutional. Heck, even Lincoln knew that. And Lincoln wasn't impeached either...though he expected it.

Or, do you think Obama can issue any executive order he wants?

 

[Mycroft]

yes, because it makes so much sense not to adjust the timetable of a massive project like national healthcare so that refinements to the program can be made, resulting in a more useful program

kind of sums up why republican leadership so often fails our nation

Sure...adjustments to a law can, and should, be made when required. But the President doesn't have the power to change a law by executive order. Only Congress can do that.

That's where he has gone wrong.

 

[CalGun]

More useful to who? 70% of those are happy with their health insurance. The people realize what obamafarce is all about - work hard and pay for those who don't.

yes, because it makes so much sense not to adjust the timetable of a massive project like national healthcare so that refinements to the program can be made, resulting in a more useful program

kind of sums up why republican leadership so often fails our nation

 

[justabubba]

More useful to who? 70% of those are happy with their health insurance. The people realize what obamafarce is all about - work hard and pay for those who don't.

your support of the reich wing and its willingness to sell out the other 30% is duly noted
i can see the republican platform on healthcare: screw em

 

[CalGun]

vs the socialist plan of taking health care away from those who pay for it and giving them a pill and waiting for them to die while those who didn't bother to work for it get their services - yeah real callous of the radical socialist.

your support of the reich wing and its willingness to sell out the other 30% is duly noted
i can see the republican platform on healthcare: screw em

 

[justabubba]

vs the socialist plan of taking health care away from those who pay for it and giving them a pill and waiting to pay for it or them to die while those who didn't bother to work for it get their services - yeah real callous of the radical socialist.

yes, the reich wing approach to caring for the health needs of the poor children: screw em if they can not pay for their own health care needs
compassionate conservatism at its 'best'

 

[CalGun]

I'd take the heartless people over the heartless bureaucrats on the death panel every day.

yes, the reich wing approach to caring for the health needs of the poor children: screw em if they can not pay for their own health care needs
compassionate conservatism at its 'best'

 

[Arbo]

yes, because it makes so much sense not to adjust the timetable of a massive project like national healthcare so that refinements to the program can be made, resulting in a more useful program

kind of sums up why republican leadership so often fails our nation

Perhaps what they should have done, other than lie about it and push it through even though public opinion was against it, was take there time and come up with an already 'refined' program that could meet it's timetables.

 

[obvious Child]

A poll that is over a year old. Before so many more people got their hours cut, or laid off due to Obamacare, before so many more unions turned against it, before all the delays because government can't actually get done what they need to do.

:roll:

Yes, because it's fair to blame Obamacare for companies trying to evade it.

:roll:

 

[justabubba]

Perhaps what they should have done, other than lie about it and push it through even though public opinion was against it, was take there time and come up with an already 'refined' program that could meet it's timetables.

notice how congress still makes periodic tweaks to social security
same thing
using your 'logic', social security should have waited til now to be released, because some revisions were needed

 

[shrubnose]

well, a republican would never devote so much time as president playing such a game as golf:
[emphasis added by bubba]
Eisenhower Golf - President Dwight Eisenhower and Golf

damn democrat and his obsession with a game of golf. but there is a difference. Obama is black [/sarcasm]

If anyone ever complained about Ike playing golf I never heard it.

Of course Ike was an old White man and Obama is a not-so-old uppity black man. I wonder if that has anything to do with the different perceptions?

Any ideas?

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, because it's fair to blame Obamacare for companies trying to evade it.

:roll:

It IS fair. Those companies wouldn't be trying to avoid it if it wasn't so ****ed up.

 

[Arbo]

Yes, because it's fair to blame Obamacare for companies trying to evade it.

:roll:

Nice evasion of what was actually said.

 

[Arbo]

notice how congress still makes periodic tweaks to social security
same thing
using your 'logic', social security should have waited til now to be released, because some revisions were needed

That is an invalid grasp of the logic use. But SS should never have been put in place in the first place.

 

[obvious Child]

Nice evasion of what was actually said.

You really want to go there? Blaming every piece of legislation for people who don't want to participate in it is hardly a good measure of what you're saying.

Find me a piece of legislation universally loved by everyone. Go.