Kerry warns Israel of third intifada [W:103]

[What if...?]

I am sure you would feel the same way if the rockets were fired at a school where your kids went. Or someone blew themselves up and killed neighborhood kids.

A dozen years after a couple of guys flew a few planes into buildings we are still killing potential enemies in who knows how many nations.

Kinda sounds insincere to me.

It is.

 

[VanceMack]

You really think we should give California back to Mexico?

Of course not. Did you REALLY miss the point of that response to the person that DOES?

 

[Apocalypse]

i believe it is safe to say there will be no peace while the occupation continues

The occupation of the West Bank will only end in a peace agreement, so what kind of a silly statement is that?

 

[ecofarm]

No, but we most assuredly didn't "fight fair" when we had had enough of England.

That was 300 years ago. Are we seriously going to compare actions to then? If that's the case, then what's wrong with Israel initiating total war? Do you advocate that as well?

 

[donsutherland1]

Just to be clear, would the "right of return" apply to a two state solution?

The Palestinians demand a "right of return" to Israel of Palestinian refugees and their descendants. This demand has been made within the framework of talks aimed at a two state solution. But the demand has been made prior to that diplomatic framework, as well.

 

[washunut]

The occupation of the West Bank will only end in a peace agreement, so what kind of a silly statement is that?

If he holds the same beliefs as Hamas, then the occupation is ALL of Israel.

 

[What if...?]

The Palestinians demand a "right of return" to Israel of Palestinian refugees and their descendants. This demand has been made within the framework of talks aimed at a two state solution. But the demand has been made prior to that diplomatic framework, as well.

So what is the objection in a two state solution?

I get they have established a policy to guarantee a Jewish majority, but what's the beef in a two state solution? Why is it any of their business then?

 

[ecofarm]

So what is the objection in a two state solution?

I get they have established a policy to guarantee a Jewish majority, but what's the beef in a two state solution? Why is it any of their business then?

I agree with statehood for Palestine; however, creating a terrorist state is not an acceptable start. Palestine needs to stop launching rockets at (and suicide bombing) civilians before we, as a world, agree to be neighbors. It would be great if Palestine, like Iraq, could cease violations of unscrs and turn to development and foreign aid from the West. The world has been waiting, while the Iranian regime dumps terrorism into it and Lebanon.

 

[What if...?]

That was 300 years ago. Are we seriously going to compare actions to then? If that's the case, then what's wrong with Israel initiating total war? Do you advocate that as well?

If they did, they'd be pretty much like their recent oppressors. Or givers of smallpox blankets.

And we'd be hypocrites for screwing with Hussein in the first Gulf War.

The world kinda declared conquest a no no well before the jews formed Israel.

I think the Palestinians ****ed themselves with that name. Shoulda gone with "Native Israelis", as the parallels are obvious.

 

[ecofarm]

Or givers of smallpox blankets.

That was discovered, after extensive archive searching, to have been mentioned in letter by one person one time. You pretend it was a concerted endeavor. Why?

 

[justabubba]

The occupation of the West Bank will only end in a peace agreement, so what kind of a silly statement is that?

not necessarily true
over time, the palestinians and their islamic allies may acquire a military capability which places israel in check. the oil rich nations certainly have the economic means to amass such a military capacity
and if that comes about, israel will no longer have the ability to unilaterally throw its political and military weight around
which causes me to conclude that the time for israel to negotiate a peaceful two-state settlement is near, because time is not on israel's side in this matter

 

[Apocalypse]

not necessarily true
over time, the palestinians and their islamic allies may acquire a military capability which places israel in check. the oil rich nations certainly have the economic means to amass such a military capacity
and if that comes about, israel will no longer have the ability to unilaterally throw its political and military weight around
which causes me to conclude that the time for israel to negotiate a peaceful two-state settlement is near, because time is not on israel's side in this matter

Time has not been on Israel's side from the beginning of this conflict, but you need two to tango.
Regarding a possibility of a united attack from several Islamic nations, well we've seen how that ended in the past and I don't see a reason for it to be changing in the near future.

 

[justabubba]

Time has not been on Israel's side from the beginning of this conflict, but you need two to tango.
Regarding a possibility of a united attack from several Islamic nations, well we've seen how that ended in the past and I don't see a reason for it to be changing in the near future.

near future, i agree
but it would be unwise to assume that oil rich islamic nations could not become motivated (by religious extremists) into using their massive wealth to accumulate a massive military
one capable of going toe to toe with israel
the political dynamics would then swiftly change - out of israel's favor

 

[ecofarm]

not necessarily true
over time, the palestinians and their islamic allies may acquire a military capability which places israel in check. the oil rich nations certainly have the economic means to amass such a military capacity
and if that comes about, israel will no longer have the ability to unilaterally throw its political and military weight around
which causes me to conclude that the time for israel to negotiate a peaceful two-state settlement is near, because time is not on israel's side in this matter

You presume that Israel's military remains stagnant and that the West would not defend Israel. I don't think many oil rich nations are, or will be, willing to go to war with the West to attack Israel.

 

[Coin]

You presume that Israel's military remains stagnant and that the West would not defend Israel. I don't think many oil rich nations are, or will be, willing to go to war with the West to attack Israel.

EU doesn't like the Israel the way USA does.

 

[ecofarm]

EU doesn't like the Israel the way USA does.

The West supports liberal western democracies over genocidal dictatorships.

 

[Coin]

The West supports liberal western democracies over genocidal dictatorships.

They support Israel, I agree.
But I doubt they will defend it at all cost when it come to war.

 

[What if...?]

That was discovered, after extensive archive searching, to have been mentioned in letter by one person one time. You pretend it was a concerted endeavor. Why?

Twelve thousand years of history?

Everyone know I'm talking about OUR ancestors' quasi-genocide of the Native Americans.

And only being written about once doesn't mean it only happened once. And it only takes once to kill thousands.

It is what it is. It was long ago.

Israel is right now. Living people remember its inception.

 

[William Rea]

The West supports liberal western democracies over genocidal dictatorships.

Yeah, 'The West' has a fantastic track record for doing this. :roll:

 

[ecofarm]

Yeah, 'The West' has a fantastic track record for doing this. :roll:

It appears that you cannot grasp the big picture and temporal context.

Good day.

 

[ecofarm]

Twelve thousand years of history?

Everyone know I'm talking about OUR ancestors' quasi-genocide of the Native Americans.

And only being written about once doesn't mean it only happened once. And it only takes once to kill thousands.

It is what it is. It was long ago.

Israel is right now. Living people remember its inception.

It was one letter, uncovered after years of searching through archives, written by one person, one time. There is no indication that this person did what they wrote about (one time).

And you want to pretend it was a campaign?

 

[William Rea]

It appears that you cannot grasp the big picture and temporal context.

Good day.

Where do you want to start? Latin America? Africa? Asia? It would appear that you cannot see through your rose tinted glasses.

Shall I correct the statement for you?

'The West supports any regime from liberal western democracies to genocidal dictatorships as long as it suits their interests.'

 

[ecofarm]

Where do you want to start? Latin America? Africa? Asia? It would appear that you cannot see through your rose tinted glasses.

Let's start in the current era. Afghan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria...

Using the Cold War, and dropping that context, is not legitimate critique. You need to update to history 2.000, or consider the context of previous events.

A mish-mash of Cold War decisions does not constitute a position other than raving lunatic.

 

[William Rea]

Let's start in the current era. Afghan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria...

Using the Cold War, and dropping that context, is not legitimate critique. You need to update to history 2.000, or consider the context of previous events.

You need to install Reality 1.0 and start from there; the rest of us are on Reality2013.

 

[ecofarm]

You need to install Reality 1.0 and start from there; the rest of us are on Reality2013.

Yeah, yeah, the USA is evil. Like we all haven't heard it a million times before. I'm sure you have your list of events ready, but save it.