Kerry warns Israel of third intifada [W:103]

[ecofarm]

So how many bottles of illegal firewater were sold to Comanches in 1837?

Got a link to your debunk? I presume they have an origin of the "myth".

Changing subject?

 

[donsutherland1]

So what is the objection in a two state solution?

I get they have established a policy to guarantee a Jewish majority, but what's the beef in a two state solution? Why is it any of their business then?

Israel does not object to a two-state solution and neither do I. The problem with the demand regarding a "right of return" of Palestinian refugees and their descendants is that it would transform Israel into a Jewish minority state, effectively undercutting Israel's founding purpose as a state for the Jewish people. Israel cannot and should not accept such terms.

 

[Serenity]

Moderator's Warning:

sheesh. Knock off the trolling if you wan't to stay active in the thread thanks. Lets discuss the topic only without all the other nonsense.

 

[What if...?]

Israel does not object to a two-state solution and neither do I. The problem with the demand regarding a "right of return" of Palestinian refugees and their descendants is that it would transform Israel into a Jewish minority state, effectively undercutting Israel's founding purpose as a state for the Jewish people. Israel cannot and should not accept such terms.

So refugees could return to the new Palestine then.

For some reason I thought that was a deal breaker too.

 

[ecofarm]

The very architects of our self-centered Cold War policy (Kissinger, et. al) have opposed our post-Cold War humanitarian interventions (at least in Yugoslavia). Our anticommunist policy in Southeast Asia and Latin America was despicable, but with the fall of the Soviet Union, there has been a concerted effort to switch to securing freedom and self-determination for peoples.

In addition to this, I think we should recognize that US policy in the Mideast was largely 'stagnation via destabilization' through the 1900s. Obviously, this policy didn't work out and it has been changed to that which you mention above.

I think it's strange that some people see the US has a person, with a will of its own not emanating from the people. As if, once it has done something wrong, it can never do anything good. They paint the US as some kind of a devil that no one has any control over. I suppose demonizing inanimate objects is easier than doing so to people, less objections.

 

[Peter Grimm]

The Jews, like any ethnicity, have a long memory.

JFK won long standing Jewish support for the democrat party. There is an interesting article from Hareetz on the subject from a week ago.

OK that's fine, but at the same time, Jewish support certainly helped Barack Obama's re-election and is partly responsible for Kerry and the Kerry/Obama foreign policies many are now complaining about.

 

[X Factor]

Probably because saying "hundreds of rockets" sounds really bad, but "only a couple actually hit anything" doesn't.

Israel's still way ahead in body count.

And I'm not sure how many people's homes or wells or groves intentionally destroyed warrants lobbing rockets at the destroyers homes. Seems there should he some ratio.

So that's your defense the rocket attacks? They're not very good at it? Maybe they're not so effective because of the security measures Israel has taken (that you resent so much).

 

[X Factor]

near future, i agree
but it would be unwise to assume that oil rich islamic nations could not become motivated (by religious extremists) into using their massive wealth to accumulate a massive military
one capable of going toe to toe with israel
the political dynamics would then swiftly change - out of israel's favor

Which is exactly why the US needs to have Israel's back.

 

[justabubba]

Which is exactly why the US needs to have Israel's back.

oh hell no
we should instead END our endorsement and support of state sponsored oppression

 

[X Factor]

oh hell no
we should instead END our endorsement and support of state sponsored oppression

Right, Israel should be more like those other middle east countries that have no "state sponsored oppression" at all.

 

[GI Joe]

i believe it is safe to say there will be no peace while the occupation continues

There was no peace before the occupation but there was plenty of terror and war waged on Israel in the stated Arab goal to anihilate Israel which is what caused the occupation.

 

[donsutherland1]

So refugees could return to the new Palestine then.

For some reason I thought that was a deal breaker too.

Israel has supported the position that Palestinian refugees could return to the Palestinian state that would be created in a two-state solution. The Palestinian leadership has insisted on a right of return to Israel.

 

[justabubba]

There was no peace before the occupation but there was plenty of terror and war waged on Israel in the stated Arab goal to anihilate Israel which is what caused the occupation.

while i disagree with your post, it in no way changes the reality about my previously offered comment:

i believe it is safe to say there will be no peace while the occupation continues

 

[MadLib]

while i disagree with your post, it in no way changes the reality about my previously offered comment

Where is your disagreement? Do you disagree with the notion that Arab forces had been repeatedly attacking Israel decades before the occupation? Do you disagree with the point that the Arab world's mantra was the elimination of Israel? Or do you deny that the occupation occurred as a result of these other two things?

 

[justabubba]

Where is your disagreement? Do you disagree with the notion that Arab forces had been repeatedly attacking Israel decades before the occupation? Do you disagree with the point that the Arab world's mantra was the elimination of Israel? Or do you deny that the occupation occurred as a result of these other two things?

... the stated Arab goal to anihilate Israel which is what caused the occupation.

THAT is what i disagree with
as well as the absence of the truth - the truth being that israel initiated the war

 

[ecofarm]

as well as the absence of the truth - the truth being that israel initiated the war

Why?

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[washunut]

[video]http://www.mako.co.il/news-military/israel/Article-b095addcfc33241004.htm[/video]

- "The alternative to getting back to the talks is the potential of chaos I mean, does Israel want a third intifada?"
About Iran- "Iran needs to prove that its program is peaceful. And I have said many times we will not make a deal that’s a bad deal, that leaves any of our friends or ourselves exposed to a nuclear weapons program."

Its seem that Kerry chose a side in this interview, and that intimidation strategy makes no good its feels like he legitimizes a pelastinian violence.
Isreal will not compromise on security of its citizens no matter what.

There is also a tension between US-Isreal about the US-Iran deal . Netanyahu met Kerry this morning and urged him not to sign a deal with Iran about the nuke.

Was he warning or hoping for an outbreak of fighting?

 

[NO1]

Was he warning or hoping for an outbreak of fighting?

It was half warning and half threat, the way he put the third intifada as a fact, if the negotiation will fail bother me.