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Propaganda bullshit, Putin will roast in hell.
After a fair trial. Not by the kangaroo courts that the western media has been running.
Propaganda bullshit, Putin will roast in hell.
DA RUSSIANS! *it works every time* now DA RUSSIANS are blamed for blowing up their own pipeline??? what??
Its actually a no brainer. Russophobia- not just hatred for Putin, I am talking about hatred of Russians- is so chronic that it is not funny. And it shows in exchanges.
You easily run into statements like 'Ukrainians are united against the Russians'. You then have to point out that actually Ukraine is a fractured society; then it is acknowledged as an after thought. But only to pop up again down the road.
You will be surprised the amount of people who seriously believe Ukrainians use artillery different from Russians. Post all the videos of Ukrainian artillery raining down hell on separatist Donetsk City, it is dismissed as Russian propaganda.
And it gets delicious. Russians in Ukraine dont want to be liberated by Russians! They are happy being minorities under a Kyiv regime that is as Russophobic as you can get.
nothing is ever legit according to the west. regardless the referendums reflect the popular support for Russia in the east
and along the southern oblasts. as is well understood
For starters, I don't consider Russia's military operation in Ukraine to be an invasion, at least not in the sense that it's usually understood, that is to plunder the place. I made a thread about this here:
Why I call Russia's role in Ukraine a military operation
Over the course of time in this forum, multiple people have apparently been upset with me for not following the standard western mainstream media's approach of calling Russia's role in Ukraine an invasion. I've given my reasons, but some people keep on bringing it up anyway. To avoid having to...debatepolitics.com
As to why I am sympathetic to Russia's stance in regards to the Ukraine war, I should say that I wasn't originally. At first, I wasn't sure what to think. But the more I read on the whole affair, the more I came to believe that Russia had a lot of good reasons for getting involved in the Ukraine war, a war that actually started as a civil war 8 years ago.
Not sure about that, but even if true, Eva Bartlett is hardly the only journalist who has said that the referendum was fairly done and the Eastern Ukrainians are predominantly eager to join Russia. Former American soldier and current American journalist Patrick Lancaster has done videos saying the same:
Same damned thing.I never claimed Ukraine had invited them. I was referring to the Donbass Republics:They were not invited by Ukraine.For starters, the Donbass republics requested Russia's aid in defending itself prior to Russia starting its military operation in Ukraine. Now, I will grant that Russia has gone beyond the borders of what the Donbass republics held prior to Russia putting boots on the ground in Ukraine, but, at least in so far as the Donbass Republics' referendums, there is a difference between a country going to a place by force and going there by invitation.
The referendum was in violation of international law.
Who stated the intent was to plunder the place?For starters, I don't consider Russia's military operation in Ukraine to be an invasion, at least not in the sense that it's usually understood, that is to plunder the place. I made a thread about this here:
Why I call Russia's role in Ukraine a military operation
Over the course of time in this forum, multiple people have apparently been upset with me for not following the standard western mainstream media's approach of calling Russia's role in Ukraine an invasion. I've given my reasons, but some people keep on bringing it up anyway. To avoid having to...debatepolitics.com
As to why I am sympathetic to Russia's stance in regards to the Ukraine war, I should say that I wasn't originally. At first, I wasn't sure what to think. But the more I read on the whole affair, the more I came to believe that Russia had a lot of good reasons for getting involved in the Ukraine war, a war that actually started as a civil war 8 years ago.
And the civil war is of Russia's making.
Rational people tend to be on the side that is morally right.Eva Bartlett the pro kremlin puppet.
Like I said in another thread you're not fooling anyone.
Not really, International law holds that people have the right to self-determination.The referendum was in violation of international law.
No comprede Casus Belli?
The are one on a short list of players.
Why would the US do it,?
There are Americans being detained and mistreated in Russia who have requested the aid of the United States.
Does this justify invasion?
Do you think getting involved was worth sacrificing the Russian economy to crippling sanctions? Sanctions, by the way, which would remain firmly in place and possibly escalate even if Ukraine were to surrender unconditionally? Not to mention revealing the weakness of the Russian military to the rest of the world, and killing thousands of Russian boys?
You might agree with Russia's reasons to get involved. But do you think that they were wise to do so?
Well worth a look at for those who think that Russia forced people to vote in this referendum...
Eva's summary of the video:
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Western commentators would do well to listen to them (but we know they won't). Summary:
-they waited 8 years for this
-they are tired of being bombed by Ukraine, they want peace & feel joining Russia will bring this
-they were not intimidated or forced to vote, many (like Syrians) faced potential shelling in order to do so, many volunteered in order to ensure the referendum went ahead
-they've long since given up caring what western commentators & "news" say about them (the same who whitewashed Ukraine's 8+ years of war crimes against the civilians of the Donbass).
For my commentary, see this recent interview:
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Please give me an example (in modern time....)Unless it is Nato/Eu doing the annexation or dismemberment
First you need to ask yourself: Who is voting? 80% of the residents has fleed the areas due to the war.
Please give me an example (in modern time....)
But at the end of the day it doesn't matter... under wartime conditions, it is forbidden to hold elections, amend legislation or the Constitution, or conduct referendums.Where did you get that statistic? Even if true, the followup question should be, where did they flee too? I did a bit of research right now. Apparently, Russia has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than any other country, with over 1.4 million refugees taken in. Poland comes second at almost 1.2 million refugees:
How many Ukrainian refugees are there and where have they gone?
The UN says more than 12 million people have fled their homes since the Russian invasion.www.bbc.com
He's right. Every one of your posts pertaining to the war is pro-Putin.Chuckle. Are you really that absurd?
Kosovo is an independent state. It is not a member of neither NATO nor the EU. It was the ethnic cleansing that made NATO intervene. NATO carried out a kind of emergency defense to stop an ongoing genocide. There has been no annexation into any European country, nor has there been any referendum or elections organized by the western countries.Kosovo comes to mind:
Serbia accuses West of double standards
President Aleksandar Vucic has accused the West of double standards, citing its divergent stances on Ukraine and Serbia’s sovereigntywww.rt.com
For starters, the Donbass republics