Joseph McCarthy - right or wrong?

[Tigerace117]

The Communist Party of the United States was a US political party, concerned with the plight of the proletariat class. That does not make them all Soviet spies. It does, however, mean that their political speech should have been granted the same first amendment protections as any other US political party.



There are also many Christians who are committed to undermining American security and that of our allies, but we don't outlaw Christianity.

It was also, like numerous other communist parties around the globe, more than willing to aid Moscow in propaganda and espionage, particularly in the 1930s and 1940s....which is a big part of why it got banned.

Treason has consequences

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

It was also, like numerous other communist parties around the globe, more than willing to aid Moscow in propaganda and espionage, particularly in the 1930s and 1940s....which is a big part of why it got banned.

Treason has consequences

Well, I guess that brings us back to outlawing the Republican Party, since they attempted a treasonous insurrection against the US government on Jan 6 at the US Capitol.

 

[Tigerace117]

Well, I guess that brings us back to outlawing the Republican Party, since they attempted a treasonous insurrection against the US government on Jan 6 at the US Capitol.

If literally helping Stalin is no big deal, then January 6 is irrelevant. You can’t have it both ways

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

If literally helping Stalin is no big deal, then January 6 is irrelevant. You can’t have it both ways

I don't want to have it both ways. I am firmly on the side that neither the Republican Party, nor the Communist Party should be illegal in the land of the free.

It is you who can't have it both ways. If you think it is proper that the Communist Party should be criminalized because of the treasonous actions of a few communists, then it stands to reason that the Republican Party might also be criminalized because of the treasonous actions of a few Republicans.

 

[Tigerace117]

I don't want to have it both ways. I am firmly on the side that neither the Republican Party, nor the Communist Party should be illegal in the land of the free.

It is you who can't have it both ways. If you think it is proper that the Communist Party should be criminalized because of the treasonous actions of a few communists, then it stands to reason that the Republican Party might also be criminalized because of the treasonous actions of a few Republicans.

Again, literal treason has consequences. American communists betrayed both the constitution and their country by providing aid to the USSR. You not liking that fact doesn’t change it. Land of the free does not, in fact, mean that anyone is free to help our enemies as much as they want.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Again, literal treason has consequences. American communists betrayed both the constitution and their country by providing aid to the USSR. You not liking that fact doesn’t change it. Land of the free does not, in fact, mean that anyone is free to help our enemies as much as they want.

Literal treason? When was the Communist Party of the United States tried and convicted of literal treason?

 

[Juin]

Literal treason? When was the Communist Party of the United States tried and convicted of literal treason?

You must have given this matter some thought

 

[jpevans]

It was also, like numerous other communist parties around the globe, more than willing to aid Moscow in propaganda and espionage, particularly in the 1930s and 1940s....which is a big part of why it got banned.

Treason has consequences

The Communist Control Act was passed in 1954, as a result of McCarty's crusade, to weaken Labor Unions & keep Commies out of Government.

 

[jpevans]

If literally helping Stalin is no big deal, then January 6 is irrelevant. You can’t have it both ways

That is an accusation needed to be supported by evidence. Simply banning an American Political Party for working for workers rights is/was unconstitutional. The war on Commies was fought with rumors & innuendo. Spying is a crime & must be prosecuted in a court of Law with presenting evidence of the charges.
There was a shift after WWII deviding Stalinists from U.S. Centric brand of Communism, more closely to the kind that got the children out of the mines & settled the rights of workers to have an 8 hr. day, 40 hr. week & overtime pay ect.

"In outlawing the Communist Party, the CCA denied the party the right to have bank accounts, enter into leases, obtain judicial enforcement of contracts, sue or be sued in courts, appeal adverse court rulings, conduct business activity, or appear on any ballot (Haerle 1955). Congress repealed most provisions of the act, which has rarely been enforced."

 

[jpevans]

I don't want to have it both ways. I am firmly on the side that neither the Republican Party, nor the Communist Party should be illegal in the land of the free.

It is you who can't have it both ways. If you think it is proper that the Communist Party should be criminalized because of the treasonous actions of a few communists, then it stands to reason that the Republican Party might also be criminalized because of the treasonous actions of a few Republicans.

Prob'ly more then a few R's are suspects in the slow rolling coup still going on as the Big Lie.

 

[jpevans]

McCarthy was more than correct, unfortunately the Establishment succeeded in stopping those trying to expose America's enemies, most notably the financial powers behind the communists and anti-American left.

HCUA investigator Norman Dodd was just beginning to expose the treasonous Foundations that funneled money into the anti-America organizations.

The Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Carnegie Foundation, Mellon, etc, were the money and brains behind all of the subversive activity.

They still are very active in working to bring America down.

That damage done back in McCarthy's days is reverberating today. Antifa, BLM, our treasonous universities, media, and corporations exist as they do today only because of the success the communist left had back in McCarthy's day.

Fascism has always bubbled beneath the surface, Ford, Rockefeller etc. were afraid of worker's bargaining on their own behalf. You are confused. When did Anti Fascist become a bad word, I for one am Anti Fascist.
Just as a matter of filling in gaps in your understanding, Most corporations aren't rooting for Communism. Most Americans aren't either.

 

[jpevans]

The scope of the infiltration was not exposed to the public by and large, as the subversives were protected by money and power very high up in our government and society.

Because of that, they were able to completely turn the tables on the pro-america people like McCarthy.

The subversives carried on destroying our country from within, and anyone brave enough to stand up to them and expose the truth was smeared as a conspiracy nut.

Fast forward 70 years, and our nation is ready to fall.

!REPEAT! McCarty was a paranoids & a drunk. He never did any good, but shamed Hubert Humphry into pushing the Communist Control Act, which was proven mostly unconstitutional.

 

[jpevans]

The Communist Party of the United States was a US political party, concerned with the plight of the proletariat class. That does not make them all Soviet spies. It does, however, mean that their political speech should have been granted the same first amendment protections as any other US political party.



There are also many Christians who are committed to undermining American security and that of our allies, but we don't outlaw Christianity.

Banning a religion is as bad as having a single state religion. Same with political parties.

 

[Dayton3]

Was Joseph McCarthy right about Soviet infiltration and communists in the US federal government?

Although I don't necessarily agree with Joseph McCarthy's approach & tactics in dealing with the problem, I have to wonder if he was right about its existence.

Yes.

 

[Dayton3]

Great poll! Can you start one about whether The Holocaust was a bad thing or not? Thanks!

How many people did McCarthy kill?

 

[Tigerace117]

That is an accusation needed to be supported by evidence. Simply banning an American Political Party for working for workers rights is/was unconstitutional. The war on Commies was fought with rumors & innuendo. Spying is a crime & must be prosecuted in a court of Law with presenting evidence of the charges.
There was a shift after WWII deviding Stalinists from U.S. Centric brand of Communism, more closely to the kind that got the children out of the mines & settled the rights of workers to have an 8 hr. day, 40 hr. week & overtime pay ect.

"In outlawing the Communist Party, the CCA denied the party the right to have bank accounts, enter into leases, obtain judicial enforcement of contracts, sue or be sued in courts, appeal adverse court rulings, conduct business activity, or appear on any ballot (Haerle 1955). Congress repealed most provisions of the act, which has rarely been enforced."

Except, again, they were more interested in engaging in espionage to help a foreign power than they were in “working for workers’ rights”. McCarthy’s hysterical accusations don’t change the fact that a number of Americans were caught spying for the USSR, or were later revealed to have worked for the USSR in espionage roles. For example, the Rosenbergs, who for decades it was claimed were innocent and executed due to “Cold War hysteria”, both turned out to be actively involved in treasonous activity.

Yep, later on with the Soviet threat diminished or gone outright it became much less of an issue.

 

[Tigerace117]

The Communist Control Act was passed in 1954, as a result of McCarty's crusade, to weaken Labor Unions & keep Commies out of Government.

It was passed because it had dawned on Americans that no, Stalin wasn’t really our friend, and decades of communist parties across the global cheerfully following Moscow’s lead in everything made them seem like fifth columnists.

 

[jpevans]

How many people did McCarthy kill?

That is classified.

 

[jpevans]

Except, again, they were more interested in engaging in espionage to help a foreign power than they were in “working for workers’ rights”. McCarthy’s hysterical accusations don’t change the fact that a number of Americans were caught spying for the USSR, or were later revealed to have worked for the USSR in espionage roles. For example, the Rosenbergs, who for decades it was claimed were innocent and executed due to “Cold War hysteria”, both turned out to be actively involved in treasonous activity.

Yep, later on with the Soviet threat diminished or gone outright it became much less of an issue.

That's two, if the evidence is valid. Then there's the Snowman & the Falcon who were entirely capitalist, in it for the money.

 

[jpevans]

It was passed because it had dawned on Americans that no, Stalin wasn’t really our friend, and decades of communist parties across the global cheerfully following Moscow’s lead in everything made them seem like fifth columnists.

So a fascist reaction was called for? Banning a political party that the elites didn't agree with. I see the same type of A-hole today, purging those from their own party who aren't all in on the MAGA Cult current grift, while making it hard for the Majority Party to operate, vote etc.
Hitler, Stalin, both these cats were fronting a political label, but were just Thugs who took over from the ideologues, for their personal gain. Just as Drumpf & Pooten are today.

 

[lurchadams]

How many people did McCarthy kill?

Hey, great question! How about you ask: "How many people killed themselves after being blacklisted and left destitute by McCarthy's false and evil claims"?. You really post unwise things, my friend.

“Joe McCarthy’s First Victim”

www.vqronline.org

 

[Tigerace117]

So a fascist reaction was called for? Banning a political party that the elites didn't agree with. I see the same type of A-hole today, purging those from their own party who aren't all in on the MAGA Cult current grift, while making it hard for the Majority Party to operate, vote etc.
Hitler, Stalin, both these cats were fronting a political label, but were just Thugs who took over from the ideologues, for their personal gain. Just as Drumpf & Pooten are today.

It wasn’t “fascist” in the slightest. Once again, treasonous activity has consequences. I would also support banning a political party which was actively recruiting ISIS fighters.

 

[Tigerace117]

That's two, if the evidence is valid. Then there's the Snowman & the Falcon who were entirely capitalist, in it for the money.

Which is absolutely is. A whole bunch of info has come out of the former Soviet archives about their agents, and the Rosenbergs— and many like them— were guilty as sin.

 

[Dayton3]

Hey, great question! How about you ask: "How many people killed themselves after being blacklisted and left destitute by McCarthy's false and evil claims"?. You really post unwise things, my friend.

“Joe McCarthy’s First Victim”

www.vqronline.org

Suicides don't count.

 

[wist43]

America used to have sedition laws, but the Elites succeeded in gutting them so as to protect the treasonous networks they had established.

I haven't been following the January 6 witchhunt nonsense, but it is instructive how the Establishment reacts to unrest depending solely upon who they are.

The left, which they fund and control, can carry out riots and crimes with literal impunity, while January 6 is treated as the "collapse of democracy".

Those of you on the left... you're being used by the Establishment to breakdown our society.

If you understood anything about anything, you'd know that the first ones lined up and shot are the low level dummies who truly believe - that would be you guys, lol