Joseph McCarthy - right or wrong?

[slick]

Perhaps you aren't familiar with how majorities work. There are more Democrats than there are Republicans.

If the minority employs tricks like gerrymandering in order to acquire a disproportionate amount of power, that doesn't make them any less of a minority. There will still be more Democrats in the US than there are Republicans in the US in 2022.

I'd say there are about 35% conservative voters & 35% liberal voters who never stray from their
loyalty to their party & 30% middle of the road independents. in 2020 the independent voters
disturbed by Trump's bull in a china closet approach & mean tweets turned off especially the
suburban women & the middle 30% went heavily against Trump left him in droves electing Biden
hoping for a more tranquil presidency. Biden campaign as a moderate somewhere between
the socialist Sanders & the firebrand Trump. Biden's handlers forced him to govern as a
far left progressive & the bottom fell out. After all they thought
if you govern to secure votes from the dumbest in society,
wail about eliminating electors, champion open borders, global warming &
adding unlimited members to the Supreme court & you'll have
simpletons mesmerized hanging from the rafters. Throw in a few
'Trump is a Nazi' flourishes & the looney left audience is
thinking utopia is just around the corner. But you'll lose the middle & upcoming elections!

But with this happening The dims are clearly in a panic. The Republicans are in the majority at this time.
Either you didn't read my factual post, didn't comprehend it, or are so brainwashed by the anti Trump cult, that you have lost all ability to be objective and fact based

Gerrymandering si a tactic used effectively by both political parties & it may have the desired effect in
electing members of the house of representatives but it has no effect on Senatorial elections nor
Presidential elections, you should know that!

You suggested the notion of:
'Criminalizing the Republican Party and weeding out Republican sympathizers to
protect ourselves from these enemies within'
I am curious about how 'protect ourselves' was floated in there. Who do you consider 'ourselves'.

Look,
If national voter ID laws were passed, the democrats would never win the presidency again and they know it. Their only real election strategy is massive voter fraud & importing more illegal voters.

Anyone who thinks nothing shady goes on in
some precincts has there head in the sand. In 2012 in 59 Philadelphia voting divisions Romney
received 0 votes. Most big cities are 90% democrat but in those 59 precincts there was not one contrarian voter where unofficial vote tallies have President Obama outscoring Romney by a combined 19,605 to 0?

Some who cast a ballot in these precincts may not be able to even read so it mind boggling that
no one pressed the wrong button by mistake not even one, come on!
"Not a single vote for Romney or even an error? That's worth looking into," Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia said.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

I'd say there are about 35% conservative voters & 35% liberal voters who never stray from their
loyalty to their party & 30% middle of the road independents. in 2020 the independent voters
disturbed by Trump's bull in a china closet approach & mean tweets turned off especially the
suburban women & the middle 30% went heavily against Trump left him in droves electing Biden
hoping for a more tranquil presidency. Biden campaign as a moderate somewhere between
the socialist Sanders & the firebrand Trump. Biden's handlers forced him to govern as a
far left progressive & the bottom fell out. After all they thought
if you govern to secure votes from the dumbest in society,
wail about eliminating electors, champion open borders, global warming &
adding unlimited members to the Supreme court & you'll have
simpletons mesmerized hanging from the rafters. Throw in a few
'Trump is a Nazi' flourishes & the looney left audience is
thinking utopia is just around the corner. But you'll lose the middle & upcoming elections!

But with this happening The dims are clearly in a panic. The Republicans are in the majority at this time.
Either you didn't read my factual post, didn't comprehend it, or are so brainwashed by the anti Trump cult, that you have lost all ability to be objective and fact based

Gerrymandering si a tactic used effectively by both political parties & it may have the desired effect in
electing members of the house of representatives but it has no effect on Senatorial elections nor
Presidential elections, you should know that!

The Democratic Party has more members than the Republican party, and there will be people voting in the next presidential election who weren't even born yet the last time a Republican candidate won the popular vote. The Republicans represent a minority of Americans.

You suggested the notion of:
'Criminalizing the Republican Party and weeding out Republican sympathizers to
protect ourselves from these enemies within'
I am curious about how 'protect ourselves' was floated in there. Who do you consider 'ourselves'.

Obviously, by 'ourselves' I mean Americans. You don't think Americans should protect themselves from dangerous ideologies by outlawing political parties that we Americans don't like?

 

[wist43]

McCarthy was more than correct, unfortunately the Establishment succeeded in stopping those trying to expose America's enemies, most notably the financial powers behind the communists and anti-American left.

HCUA investigator Norman Dodd was just beginning to expose the treasonous Foundations that funneled money into the anti-America organizations.

The Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Carnegie Foundation, Mellon, etc, were the money and brains behind all of the subversive activity.

They still are very active in working to bring America down.

That damage done back in McCarthy's days is reverberating today. Antifa, BLM, our treasonous universities, media, and corporations exist as they do today only because of the success the communist left had back in McCarthy's day.

 

[slick]

The Democratic Party has more members than the Republican party, and there will be people voting in the next presidential election who weren't even born yet the last time a Republican candidate won the popular vote. The Republicans represent a minority of Americans.



Obviously, by 'ourselves' I mean Americans. You don't think Americans should protect themselves from dangerous ideologies by outlawing political parties that we Americans don't like?

I find your posts extremely amusing!

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

I find your posts extremely amusing!

Thanks!

So do you think Americans should protect themselves from dangerous ideologies by making political parties that they don't like illegal? Or do you think that political parties in the US ought to enjoy some sort of legal protection from that kind of thing?

 

[j brown's body]

McCarthy was more than correct, unfortunately the Establishment succeeded in stopping those trying to expose America's enemies, most notably the financial powers behind the communists and anti-American left.

HCUA investigator Norman Dodd was just beginning to expose the treasonous Foundations that funneled money into the anti-America organizations.

The Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Carnegie Foundation, Mellon, etc, were the money and brains behind all of the subversive activity.

They still are very active in working to bring America down.

That damage done back in McCarthy's days is reverberating today. Antifa, BLM, our treasonous universities, media, and corporations exist as they do today only because of the success the communist left had back in McCarthy's day.

Not everyday one sees communism associated with the names Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie and Mellon.

What communist success are you refeting to?

 

[wellwisher]

Was Joseph McCarthy right about Soviet infiltration and communists in the US federal government?

Although I don't necessarily agree with Joseph McCarthy's approach & tactics in dealing with the problem, I have to wonder if he was right about its existence.

What about the Russian national who was part of a Washington think tank who supplied Steele with the material for the faked dossier that Hllary and Democrats party bought and used as part of their disinformation campaign against Trump in the 2016 election? There is no need for the communists to infiltrate government, when the path of lobbyist and think tanks have back doors in which to enter and leave.

The irony was the Democratsaccused Trump of doing what they had done; cooperate with Putin. This is a pattern of behavior that is overuse but the Democrats; accuse others of what you do to avoid suspicion.

 

[weaver2]

McCarthy was more than correct, unfortunately the Establishment succeeded in stopping those trying to expose America's enemies, most notably the financial powers behind the communists and anti-American left.

HCUA investigator Norman Dodd was just beginning to expose the treasonous Foundations that funneled money into the anti-America organizations.

The Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Carnegie Foundation, Mellon, etc, were the money and brains behind all of the subversive activity.

They still are very active in working to bring America down.

That damage done back in McCarthy's days is reverberating today. Antifa, BLM, our treasonous universities, media, and corporations exist as they do today only because of the success the communist left had back in McCarthy's day.

OMG It's a living breathing antique1950s anti-communist.

 

[Blue Dog]

He was correct that there were communists.

Thats all he gets credit for…

 

[j brown's body]

What about the Russian national who was part of a Washington think tank who supplied Steele with the material for the faked dossier that Hllary and Democrats party bought and used as part of their disinformation campaign against Trump in the 2016 election? There is no need for the communists to infiltrate government, when the path of lobbyist and think tanks have back doors in which to enter and leave.

The irony was the Democratsaccused Trump of doing what they had done; cooperate with Putin. This is a pattern of behavior that is overuse but the Democrats; accuse others of what you do to avoid suspicion.

Like the meeting in Trump Towers for dirt on Hillary?

 

[j brown's body]

He was correct that there were communists.

Thats all he gets credit for…

Its like saying there was water.

 

[wist43]

OMG It's a living breathing antique1950s anti-communist.

You kids think history started the day you were born.

It's sad and pathetic.

 

[wist43]

He was correct that there were communists.

Thats all he gets credit for…

The scope of the infiltration was not exposed to the public by and large, as the subversives were protected by money and power very high up in our government and society.

Because of that, they were able to completely turn the tables on the pro-america people like McCarthy.

The subversives carried on destroying our country from within, and anyone brave enough to stand up to them and expose the truth was smeared as a conspiracy nut.

Fast forward 70 years, and our nation is ready to fall.

 

[j brown's body]

The scope of the infiltration was not exposed to the public by and large, as the subversives were protected by money and power very high up in our government and society.

Because of that, they were able to completely turn the tables on the pro-america people like McCarthy.

The subversives carried on destroying our country from within, and anyone brave enough to stand up to them and expose the truth was smeared as a conspiracy nut.

Fast forward 70 years, and our nation is ready to fall.

Of course it was exposed. Years earlier. If anything, McCarthy came late to the game. There was no one left to purge.

"Nine days later, Truman signed an executive order establishing the Federal Employee Loyalty Program, which tasked the F.B.I. and other agencies with undertaking investigations of government employees suspected of disloyalty—specifically, anyone with “membership in, affiliation with or sympathetic association with any foreign or domestic organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons, designated by the Attorney General as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive.” According to the Columbia scholar Ira Katznelson, between 1947 and 1953, 4,765,705 federal employees had to fill out forms initiating loyalty investigations. Of these employees, 26,236 were referred for further scrutiny, and five hundred and sixty were fired or not hired. Homosexuals were targeted as security risks (being vulnerable to blackmail) or as generally undesirable. There were no anti-discrimination laws to protect them. They were simply fired.

At the same time, Congress began its own loyalty investigations. Hearings on Communists in Hollywood, conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee (huac), began in October, 1947, and resulted in the convictions for contempt of Congress of the so-called Hollywood Ten, all of whom served prison terms. The following July, Elizabeth Bentley, a former member of the American Communist Party (C.P.U.S.A.), gave huac the names of American spies, among them Harry Dexter White, formerly a senior official in the Treasury Department.

...McCarthy had nothing to do with any of this. By the time he took charge of his subcommittee, in 1953, the C.P.U.S.A. was moribund, and the Soviets had run out of sympathetic Americans willing to give them intelligence, and had resorted to conventional means of spycraft."

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[Tigerace117]

The scope of the infiltration was not exposed to the public by and large, as the subversives were protected by money and power very high up in our government and society.

Because of that, they were able to completely turn the tables on the pro-america people like McCarthy.

The subversives carried on destroying our country from within, and anyone brave enough to stand up to them and expose the truth was smeared as a conspiracy nut.

Fast forward 70 years, and our nation is ready to fall.

McCarthy happily defended the SS thugs who slaughtered American POWs at Malmedy. Calling him “pro America” is laughable.

 

[Juin]

Was Joseph McCarthy right about Soviet infiltration and communists in the US federal government?

Although I don't necessarily agree with Joseph McCarthy's approach & tactics in dealing with the problem, I have to wonder if he was right about its existence.

Of course, that was True independent of McCarthy. It was the job of the KGB to infiltrate the US Federal government; just as it was the job of the CIA to infiltrate the Soviet government.

 

[Juin]

Ok; how about the communists? Were there communists in the US federal government?

I dont know how much success communists agents had infiltrating the US Federal Government. But my suspicion is that it was not for want of trying. But the case of West German Gunther Karl Heinz Guillaume sheds some light as to how the East German Stasi took its job seriously. Gunther was an emigre from East Germany who managed to infiltrate and rose up the ranks of the German Social Democratic Party to become a close aide to the then Chancellor Willy Brandt. He was smoked out in 1974. Poor Willy Brandt had to resign following the resulting scandal.

I am not faulting the East German Stasi at all. That was their job as spooks. Granted, it was much easier for communists to pull of feats like that than the CIA pulling off same in communist countries. But that was also the job of the CIA.

 

[Juin]

He totally was. We now know that communist sympathizers and in some case outright spies were within our government at every level.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. They were accused of passing atomic secrets to the Soviets.

 

[Juin]

Obviously, by 'ourselves' I mean Americans. You don't think Americans should protect themselves from dangerous ideologies by outlawing political parties that we Americans don't like?

Wont that be playing it straight from the McCarthy playbook?

 

[weaver2]

You kids think history started the day you were born.

It's sad and pathetic.

I remember the McCarthy hearings very well because my father was on a list to be called up the summer of '54. His sin? Working for the Twentieth Century Fund on policy for the aging, working with Secty of Labor Frances Perkins and teaching in the NYS School of Industrial and Labor Relations at Cornell. Somehow that translated into my very Republican father being a com-symp. Fortunately the hearings ended that summer, but, the waiting and watching others being publicly shredded was a history not quickly forgotten.

Looking back McCarthy was a sad and pathetic figure. Unfortunately just because one is sad and pathetic doesn't mean they can't do a great deal of damage.

 

[j brown's body]

I remember the McCarthy hearings very well because my father was on a list to be called up the summer of '54. His sin? Working for the Twentieth Century Fund on policy for the aging, working with Secty of Labor Frances Perkins and teaching in the NYS School of Industrial and Labor Relations at Cornell. Somehow that translated into my very Republican father being a com-symp. Fortunately the hearings ended that summer, but, the waiting and watching others being publicly shredded was a history not quickly forgotten.

Looking back McCarthy was a sad and pathetic figure. Unfortunately just because one is sad and pathetic doesn't mean they can't do a great deal of damage.

Wow. He was lucky. McCarthy ruined innocent people's careers. Have you ever watched Point of Order?" Its on YouTube. The Army's lawyer, Welch, was something special. We need more people like him today.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Wont that be playing it straight from the McCarthy playbook?

Not just McCarthy. Eisenhower's playbook. The Democrat's playbook. The Republican's playbook.

The Communist Control Act of 1954 passed the House with only two nay votes. One from a Democrat, and one from a Republican. It passed the Senate unanimously. Eisenhower signed it without hesitation.

America likes to talk big about freedom from the comfort of her armchair, but the moment she fears a bogeyman, she'll readily toss it aside.

 

[Tigerace117]

Not just McCarthy. Eisenhower's playbook. The Democrat's playbook. The Republican's playbook.

The Communist Control Act of 1954 passed the House with only two nay votes. One from a Democrat, and one from a Republican. It passed the Senate unanimously. Eisenhower signed it without hesitation.

America likes to talk big about freedom from the comfort of her armchair, but the moment she fears a bogeyman, she'll readily toss it aside.

To be fair, communism was anything but a “boogeyman”. Stalin was better than Hitler, but only by the slimmest of margins, and there were many communists who were committed to undermining American security and that of our allies.

 

[Juin]

Not just McCarthy. Eisenhower's playbook. The Democrat's playbook. The Republican's playbook.

The Communist Control Act of 1954 passed the House with only two nay votes. One from a Democrat, and one from a Republican. It passed the Senate unanimously. Eisenhower signed it without hesitation.

America likes to talk big about freedom from the comfort of her armchair, but the moment she fears a bogeyman, she'll readily toss it aside.

Interesting. I wont have fared well with McCarthy either. Even though I am now to the far right of the Republican Party, I did flirt with Marxism for some few hectic months in my mid to late teens. This was after I read a book, "The ABC of Communism" by Bukharin and Preobrazensky; a pair of tough Bolsheviks in Soviet Russia, I believe both wound up in at the wrong end of Stalin's NKVD bullets. But for some months The ABC of Communism was to me like the key to human salvation. For a while I was a nuisance to anyone who cared to put up with my marxist evangelism. My dad- whom I was close to- bore the brunt of it.

It faded away after a while. But that left me to the far left, something to the left of Bernie Sanders left. But somehow I kept migrating to the right. Moving closer and closer to the Democratic right. When Reagan was President I was solidly Democrat. Bush Sr as well. I was elated when Bill Clinton won. But just barely. I was beginning to cross from Democratic right to Republican left. Mid of Bill Clinton's first term I was solidly Republican.

My left to right motion did not stop. I was tickled a bit by H Ross Perot. Then I was really tickled by Trump. And wound up a Trumpista in the Trump ochestra. If shift further to the right I will drop into the abyss at the end.

You sound like you have been dabbling in a bit of Marxism yourself.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

To be fair, communism was anything but a “boogeyman”. Stalin was better than Hitler, but only by the slimmest of margins,

The Communist Party of the United States was a US political party, concerned with the plight of the proletariat class. That does not make them all Soviet spies. It does, however, mean that their political speech should have been granted the same first amendment protections as any other US political party.

and there were many communists who were committed to undermining American security and that of our allies.

There are also many Christians who are committed to undermining American security and that of our allies, but we don't outlaw Christianity.