Joseph McCarthy - right or wrong?

[EnigmaO01]

You are greatly confused.

Joseph McCarthy was a Senator. If you don't know the difference between the US Senate and the US House, then now would be a good time to learn.

It was the House Un-American Activities Committee, not the Senate Un-American Activities Committee.

Yes, McCarthy was right and HUAC proves it, but not in the way that you think.

McCarthy was about to expose and out dozens if not 100s of Soviet spies. The purpose of HUAC was classic Psy-Ops Warfare and its goal was to deflect and misdirect McCarthy's investigation by attacking Hollywood film and TV producers, directors and actors. Roy Cohn turned it into a 3-ring circus for that reason.

Washington DC is on the East Coast. Hollywood is on the West Coast. That was the 1950s, not the 2000s with satellite TV trucks. All the TV and newspaper reporters pack up and head out of DC to Hollywood on the West Coast to stalk and interview the Hollywood people accused by HUAC.

The purpose of attacking Hollywood film and TV producers, directors and actors was to sufficiently irk Americans to get them to demand an end to the investigations.

It worked.

From Soviet records released after the so-called fall of the Soviet Union, we know a few things:

1) The Rosenberg spy-ring was much more extensive than Americans were led to believe. It wasn't just a half-dozen Soviet spies, there were more than 100.
2) Ethel and Julius Rosenberg really were Soviet spies.
3) There really was a spy in General Marshal's office as McCarthy claimed, although the identity of that person is still protected. It's widely believed it was Marshal's secretary.
4) As McCarthy claimed, there were Soviet spy-rings operating in the Pentagon, the State Department and the Justice Department. Additionally, there were several smaller spy-rings associated with universities that worked with the Jet Propulsion Labs and Lawrence Livermore Labs (both were responsible for the development of nuclear weapons systems and other military weapons and aircraft programs) that McCarthy was not aware of.
5) Another spy-ring worked Capitol Hill.

McCarthy was a nasty paranoid drunk and ruined a lot of innocent lives. You obviously didn't live during those times.

 

[jpevans]

Why don't you name any Democrats who aren't communists & if you want to make demands for a definition of communism, why don't you start by providing what you believe to be the definition?

A small group of people living & working together, preaching love thy neighbor, feeding the masses.

 

[Mircea]

McCarthy was a nasty paranoid drunk and ruined a lot of innocent lives. You obviously didn't live during those times.

Again, for the hard of hearing, that was HUAC -- the House Un-American Activities Committee -- who ruined people's lives.

If you don't understand the difference between the House and the Senate, you should seriously consider giving your high school diploma or GED back.

And, McCarty wasn't paranoid. There were large Soviet spy-rings operating in the US.

 

[jpevans]

Again, for the hard of hearing, that was HUAC -- the House Un-American Activities Committee -- who ruined people's lives.

If you don't understand the difference between the House and the Senate, you should seriously consider giving your high school diploma or GED back.

And, McCarty wasn't paranoid. There were large Soviet spy-rings operating in the US.

McCarthy was a paranoid drunk & never proved one case.
HUAC was another matter & you are correct that they ruined lives & careers also. They have been called McCarthism as they were after civilians who may have been a member of the American Communist Party, a legal Organization. I believe they still put up a candidate for president.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Again, for the hard of hearing, that was HUAC -- the House Un-American Activities Committee -- who ruined people's lives.

If you don't understand the difference between the House and the Senate, you should seriously consider giving your high school diploma or GED back.

And, McCarty wasn't paranoid. There were large Soviet spy-rings operating in the US.

You really need to bone up on your history from a reliable source. It's obvious you're getting your information from a biased inaccurate source.

 

[j brown's body]

Again, for the hard of hearing, that was HUAC -- the House Un-American Activities Committee -- who ruined people's lives.

If you don't understand the difference between the House and the Senate, you should seriously consider giving your high school diploma or GED back.

And, McCarty wasn't paranoid. There were large Soviet spy-rings operating in the US.

McCarthy ruined people's lives as well.

 

[j brown's body]

It is terribly sad to see conservatives equate liberalism with communism because liberals support regulating markets. FDR"s liberal programs actually helped save this country from socialism.

Right-wingers should delight in Truman's purge of left-wing sympathizers from government.

 

[weaver2]

Again, for the hard of hearing, that was HUAC -- the House Un-American Activities Committee -- who ruined people's lives.

If you don't understand the difference between the House and the Senate, you should seriously consider giving your high school diploma or GED back.

And, McCarty wasn't paranoid. There were large Soviet spy-rings operating in the US.

If you don't understand the difference between McCarty and McCarthy you should seriously consider giving up telling those of us who lived during the McCarthy era how wonderful McCarthy was and what a great service he performed.

 

[Mircea]

If you don't understand the difference between McCarty and McCarthy you should seriously consider giving up telling those of us who lived during the McCarthy era how wonderful McCarthy was and what a great service he performed.

Right.

What I'm hearing you say is that Senator McCarthy caused Solomon Adler to become a Soviet spy.

You're saying that because McCarthy called out Adler as being a Soviet spy, Adler fled the US in May 1950 and went to China where he helped Mao set up Mao's regime.

And then, McCarthy found a ring of invisibility and used it to secretly go to the Soviet Union were he was able to gain access to GRU secret files.

Then, McCarthy chanted secret incantations written in Greek and Latin to imbue him with the power to read and write Russian, and he wrote several 100 pages of documents about Adler and his espionage activities in the US while working for the Treasury Department and then using his ring of invisibility, was able to sneak those documents back into the GRU's files where they would be found in 1994.

Is that your story?

 

[Mircea]

McCarthy ruined people's lives as well.

I hope you're not referring to Annie Lee Moss (a Black woman) because she really was a Soviet spy.

 

[Tigerace117]

I hope you're not referring to Annie Lee Moss (a Black woman) because she really was a Soviet spy.

No, they are referring to the vast number of totally innocent people smeared as a result of Scumbag McCarthy’s wild accusations.

 

[Mircea]

You really need to bone up on your history from a reliable source. It's obvious you're getting your information from a biased inaccurate source.

Which source is biased and inaccurate, the US government or the Soviet government?

Oh, wait....I get it. You're claiming the New York Times is a biased inaccurate source, because Morton Sobell, at the age of 91, told the NYT in an interview in 2008 that he really was a Soviet spy who handed 1,000s of pages of documents and technical diagrams to the Soviets.

 

[southwest88]

The KGB's infiltration campaign in America in the 1950s was much more successful than its modern successor's meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Joseph McCarthy absolutely did the right thing to stop Soviet infiltration in the government and academic institutions.

In the US? No, the KGB wasn't named that until March 1954 - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB for a discussion of the KGB's history.

But yes, the Soviets were certainly trying to infiltrate everywhere they felt was important to their future.

 

[Mircea]

McCarthy was a paranoid drunk & never proved one case.

All of his claims have been proven true.

Let's talk about Frank Coe.

Coe invoked his 5th Amendment right not to self-incriminate.

Then, in 1958, Coe moved to China and worked for Mao. If you google, you can read his essays that he wrote supporting Mao's purges and claiming that indoctrination in Marxist-Leninist theory had substantially increased Chinese economic production.

Oh, I almost forgot. Coe was another on the KGB/GRU payrolls.

 

[bomberfox]

The soviets should have ice picked him in the back of the head instead of Trotsky.

 

[bomberfox]

You are greatly confused.

Joseph McCarthy was a Senator. If you don't know the difference between the US Senate and the US House, then now would be a good time to learn.

It was the House Un-American Activities Committee, not the Senate Un-American Activities Committee.

Yes, McCarthy was right and HUAC proves it, but not in the way that you think.

McCarthy was about to expose and out dozens if not 100s of Soviet spies. The purpose of HUAC was classic Psy-Ops Warfare and its goal was to deflect and misdirect McCarthy's investigation by attacking Hollywood film and TV producers, directors and actors. Roy Cohn turned it into a 3-ring circus for that reason.

Washington DC is on the East Coast. Hollywood is on the West Coast. That was the 1950s, not the 2000s with satellite TV trucks. All the TV and newspaper reporters pack up and head out of DC to Hollywood on the West Coast to stalk and interview the Hollywood people accused by HUAC.

The purpose of attacking Hollywood film and TV producers, directors and actors was to sufficiently irk Americans to get them to demand an end to the investigations.

It worked.

From Soviet records released after the so-called fall of the Soviet Union, we know a few things:

1) The Rosenberg spy-ring was much more extensive than Americans were led to believe. It wasn't just a half-dozen Soviet spies, there were more than 100.
2) Ethel and Julius Rosenberg really were Soviet spies.
3) There really was a spy in General Marshal's office as McCarthy claimed, although the identity of that person is still protected. It's widely believed it was Marshal's secretary.
4) As McCarthy claimed, there were Soviet spy-rings operating in the Pentagon, the State Department and the Justice Department. Additionally, there were several smaller spy-rings associated with universities that worked with the Jet Propulsion Labs and Lawrence Livermore Labs (both were responsible for the development of nuclear weapons systems and other military weapons and aircraft programs) that McCarthy was not aware of.
5) Another spy-ring worked Capitol Hill.

McCarthy was late in the game and threw out accusations like candy. He deserved a good ice pick.

 

[bomberfox]

Again, for the hard of hearing, that was HUAC -- the House Un-American Activities Committee -- who ruined people's lives.

If you don't understand the difference between the House and the Senate, you should seriously consider giving your high school diploma or GED back.

And, McCarty wasn't paranoid. There were large Soviet spy-rings operating in the US.

That were already taken care of.

 

[d0gbreath]

The U.S. Senate votes 65 to 22 to condemn Senator Joseph R. McCarthy for conduct unbecoming of a senator.

From wiki:
Joseph Nye Welch (October 22, 1890 – October 6, 1960) was an American lawyer and actor who served as the chief counsel for the United States Army while it was under investigation for Communist activities by Senator Joseph McCarthy's Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, an investigation known as the Army–McCarthy hearings. His confrontation with McCarthy during the hearings, in which he famously asked McCarthy "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" is seen as a turning point in the history of McCarthyism.

McCarthy believed that he was right, but he wasn't.

 

[LostInSeattle]

I hope you're not referring to Annie Lee Moss (a Black woman) because she really was a Soviet spy.

Could you point me to a source for that? My understanding was that evidence surfaced that she had been on the membership rolls for the Communist Party for a few years in the 1940s, but I don't recall anything about spying.

 

[weaver2]

Right.

What I'm hearing you say is that Senator McCarthy caused Solomon Adler to become a Soviet spy.

You're saying that because McCarthy called out Adler as being a Soviet spy, Adler fled the US in May 1950 and went to China where he helped Mao set up Mao's regime.

And then, McCarthy found a ring of invisibility and used it to secretly go to the Soviet Union were he was able to gain access to GRU secret files.

Then, McCarthy chanted secret incantations written in Greek and Latin to imbue him with the power to read and write Russian, and he wrote several 100 pages of documents about Adler and his espionage activities in the US while working for the Treasury Department and then using his ring of invisibility, was able to sneak those documents back into the GRU's files where they would be found in 1994.

Is that your story?

" In hearing after hearing, he aggressively interrogated witnesses in what many came to perceive as a blatant violation of their civil rights. Despite a lack of any proof of subversion, more than 2,000 government employees lost their jobs as a result of McCarthy’s investigations."
www.history.com Joseph McCarthyDuring the late 1940s and early 1950s, the prospect of communist subversion at home and abroad seemed frighteningly real to many people in the United States.
www.history.com www.history.com

And that's just government employees. It doesn't include people in show business, college professors, teachers, researchers, newspapermen, editors, writers (fiction and non-fiction), political speakers, artists, musicians, scientists ................ the lists were endless.

No one was ever convicted of being a Russian infiltrator or spy.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Which source is biased and inaccurate, the US government or the Soviet government?

Oh, wait....I get it. You're claiming the New York Times is a biased inaccurate source, because Morton Sobell, at the age of 91, told the NYT in an interview in 2008 that he really was a Soviet spy who handed 1,000s of pages of documents and technical diagrams to the Soviets.

Dude you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.

 

[slick]

That is quite silly. The Communist Party has a completely incompatible political philosophy with the Democratic Party.

And the Democratic Party represents the majority. It is the Republican Party that is an unwanted minority trying to upend our way of life with their radical and dangerous ideas. Why shouldn't we just criminalize the Republican Party and weed out Republican sympathizers to protect ourselves from these enemies within?

So you think the supposedly ascendant Coalition of the white pathological
altruistic egalitarians & racial minorities self righteous rage
along with the 3 million border hoppers Biden’s handlers made certain he
offered invitations too are gonna’ introduce the country to a wonderful new age.
The clicker would be to as you inferred 'criminalize the Republican Party and
weed out Republican sympathizers to protect ourselves from these enemies within?

After taking a look at the most recent odds posted by a top sports book I'm wondering how you
you managed to harbor the notion that 'the Republican Party that is an unwanted minority
trying to upend our way of life with their radical and dangerous ideas.'

If you bet $100 that the Dems take the senate in 2022 you'd get back your $100 plus $200 if they win
If you bet $100 that the Dems take the house in 2022 you'd get back your $100 plus $400 if they win

I doubt you'd back up your words by placing dollars on the democrat chances to keep their thin
margin in the house and their tie in the senate.

It's rather amusing that you actually may believe what you have posted.

___________________________________________
Nov 8 Tue 2022
2022 US Senate Elections

Republicans -300
Democrats +200
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Nov 2 Wed 2022
Who will control the House in 2022?

Republicans -700
Democrats +400
___________________________________________
Presidential Election Winning Party 2024

Republicans -150
Democrats +110
___________________________________________
Nov 2024
Odds to Win the 2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump Sr. +250
Joe Biden +325
Kamala Harris +800
Ron DeSantis +800
Pete Buttigieg +1500
Nikki Haley +1800
Mike Pence +2500
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[slick]

No, they are referring to the vast number of totally innocent people smeared as a result of Scumbag McCarthy’s wild accusations.

Old 'Tail Gunner Joe' would have been far more useful in this era than in the 50's because the danger
now is greater. Where are you now, 'Tail Gunner Joe' now that we really need you!

 

[Tigerace117]

Old 'Tail Gunner Joe' would have been far more useful in this era than in the 50's because the danger
now is greater. Where are you now, 'Tail Gunner Joe' now that we really need you!

He wasn’t useful in either era, especially since he bent over backwards to defend SS scum who slaughtered American POWs....and topped it off by harming actual counter intelligence operations by lying his useless ass off.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

So you think the supposedly ascendant Coalition of the white pathological
altruistic egalitarians & racial minorities self righteous rage
along with the 3 million border hoppers Biden’s handlers made certain he
offered invitations too are gonna’ introduce the country to a wonderful new age.
The clicker would be to as you inferred 'criminalize the Republican Party and
weed out Republican sympathizers to protect ourselves from these enemies within?

After taking a look at the most recent odds posted by a top sports book I'm wondering how you
you managed to harbor the notion that 'the Republican Party that is an unwanted minority
trying to upend our way of life with their radical and dangerous ideas.'

If you bet $100 that the Dems take the senate in 2022 you'd get back your $100 plus $200 if they win
If you bet $100 that the Dems take the house in 2022 you'd get back your $100 plus $400 if they win

I doubt you'd back up your words by placing dollars on the democrat chances to keep their thin
margin in the house and their tie in the senate.

It's rather amusing that you actually may believe what you have posted.

___________________________________________
Nov 8 Tue 2022
2022 US Senate Elections

Republicans -300
Democrats +200
___________________________________________
Nov 2 Wed 2022
Who will control the House in 2022?

Republicans -700
Democrats +400
___________________________________________
Presidential Election Winning Party 2024

Republicans -150
Democrats +110
___________________________________________
Nov 2024
Odds to Win the 2024 Presidential Election

Donald Trump Sr. +250
Joe Biden +325
Kamala Harris +800
Ron DeSantis +800
Pete Buttigieg +1500
Nikki Haley +1800
Mike Pence +2500
___________________________________________

Perhaps you aren't familiar with how majorities work. There are more Democrats than there are Republicans.

If the minority employs tricks like gerrymandering in order to acquire a disproportionate amount of power, that doesn't make them any less of a minority. There will still be more Democrats in the US than there are Republicans in the US in 2022.