John Oliver on Transgender Females in Women's Sports (1 Viewer)

[CLAX1911]

Tell me about children transitioning before puberty begins, if you think that you know so much more.

I know more than the approved talking points

I cant wait for the laughs.

Lol

 

[Lisa]

I know more than the approved talking points

I highly doubt that you do.

Lol

 

[noonereal]

So then there shouldnt be men who identify as women in women's sports

Duh

 

[CLAX1911]

I highly doubt that you do.

That's because you doubt the existence of anything outside of the talking points.

I'm not surprised

 

[CLAX1911]

Duh

Then we agree

 

[Lisa]

That's because you doubt the existence of anything outside of the talking points.

I'm not surprised

You know nothing about the subject except to try to deflect by arguing with me about what you don't understand.

What are you supposed sources, other than Twitter or TikTok?

 

[CLAX1911]

You know nothing about the subject except to try to deflect by arguing with me about what you don't understand.

Knowing nothing about the subject is rejecting your dogma. So the only people that can know about the subject are people that agree with you about things you insist upon.

Therefore when you tell me I don't know anything about the subject it doesn't mean anything except for that I think for myself.

What are you supposed sources,

Typically multiple things you would refuse to accept because it doesn't adhere to your dogma.

other than Twitter or TikTok?

 

[Lisa]

Knowing nothing about the subject is rejecting your dogma. So the only people that can know about the subject are people that agree with you about things you insist upon.

What is my supposed dogma? You have a problem with the medical facts of the subject because of your very binary understanding of human sexuality. You label anything outside your beliefs as dogma in an attempt to discredit it.

Therefore when you tell me I don't know anything about the subject it doesn't mean anything except for that I think for myself.

Typically multiple things you would refuse to accept because it doesn't adhere to your dogma.

Many sources are not factual or truthful. I have a problem with conservative propaganda masquerading as fact.

 

[CLAX1911]

What is my supposed dogma?

Gender identity is medical science no it's not. Brain scans prove gender identity exists no they don't.

You have a problem with the medical facts of the subject because of your very binary understanding of human sexuality.

They're not MediCal facts.

Again set up an experiment where you have 10 scans of 10 men and if a neuroscientist can pick out which one is trans then there's legitimacy to it but I doubt that can happen because people see the results they want to find it's called bias.

You label anything outside your beliefs as dogma in an attempt to discredit it.

I label insisting things are factual without proving them is dogma and that's what you do.

Many sources are not factual or truthful. I have a problem with conservative propaganda masquerading as fact.

You're doing that thing you always do where everything you don't like is just conservative. Like there's some boogeyman hiding under your bed.

 

[Bullseye]

I just watched the entire 42 minute segment. I'll give you the cliff notes version. Please note: It is worth your time. My posts will not be as detailed as John Oliver.

Oliver's Main Points:
- Transgender females do not transition just so they can play on the female sports team. Most organizations permitting transgender females have hormonal requirements.

- All of the scientific studies of transgender females in sports have a small sample size and feature unreliable data.

- The opponents of transgender females in women's sports consistently exaggerate and mislead people.

- Riley Gaines tied Lia Thomas in a swimming competition for fifth place, and then got "embarrassed" because she wasn't allowed to stand on the 5th place podium for a photo op. After she tied for fifth, she decided to use Thomas as a means to get wealthy. If Gaines didn't tie Thomas, she would have gone to dental school.

- Lia Thomas placed 1st, 8th, and 5th in the national swimming competitions. Even she didn't dominate all of her events.

- Payton McNabb got a concussion after a transgender female spiked a volleyball in her face. But it turns out, her sporting career wasn't over and turned into a great athlete in college.

- Concussions and head injuries happen all the time in sports.

- There was a complaint filed against a transgender female San Jose State player for having an 80 mile per hour spike speed. It turns out it was only 50 miles per hour, which wasn't even near the record-holders or the fastest in the Mountain West Conference.

- No transgender females have won any scholarships to any university. In the case of the two Connecticut transgender runners, the complaint was that they stole scholarship opportunity from the other competitors, when the reverse was true.

- The number of transgender females in sports is very very small. Not every transgender female who competes, wins medals or races. States who tried to ban transgender females from women's sports fail to show any example of a transgender female dominating a single female sport within their state.

- The Right loves to use the "800 medals" stat in discussions and political debate. They claim it came from the U.N. It turns out it did not actually come from the UN, but a website which asked people submit competitions from across the world, where a transgender female beat a genetic female in an event. These events includes poker and Irish dancing. Plus, the metal counts feature duplication of events and counting a first place finish as three medals. Some of the examples submitted feature people who do not object to transgender females in women's sports.

- The debate isn't really about "fairness". Women's sports are extremely underfunded and feature poor quality fields. The Right's main objection is to deny transgender people their right to exist, and sports is their avenue for success. They do not care about women's sports or their safety.

- Youth sports are fine. They are about social development. Professional sports we need to look more into the impact.
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Total piece of crap. Not a drop of realistic or factual data. Just a collection on idiotic bullet points. Make think Oliver created this as a satire.

Basically nonsense. Whether or not they're transitioning to compete in athletics is immaterial. They're MALES. with male body structure an fashion sense.

The world campion uS women's soccer time lost to a 15 and under boys team. Life is a potpourri of choices and we can't always get everything we want.

 

[BrotherFease]

Total piece of crap. Not a drop of realistic or factual data. Just a collection on idiotic bullet points. Make think Oliver created this as a satire.

Basically nonsense. Whether or not they're transitioning to compete in athletics is immaterial. They're MALES. with male body structure an fashion sense.

The world campion uS women's soccer time lost to a 15 and under boys team. Life is a potpourri of choices and we can't always get everything we want.

Which points do you disagree with exactly?

 

[The Mark]

I won't be watching 42 minutes of trans cult propaganda.

It's hardly propaganda to point out that the arguments being made against transgender athletes are (intentionally or otherwise) in many cases based on false or inaccurate information.

If anything, should you be someone who wants to ban them from sport in some way, I would suggest it be taken as a way to make your arguments for that better.

 

[BrotherFease]

It's hardly propaganda to point out that the arguments being made against transgender athletes are (intentionally or otherwise) in many cases based on false or inaccurate information.

The dissenters never actually try to dispute anything Oliver is saying.

My belief here is that the objection is not based on "fairness", but based on the concept that transgender women are simply men trying to pass as women.

If we care about fairness, then Michael Phelps should never have been eligible to win medals at the Olympics. He has major biological advantages -- larger wingspan, larger feet which makes them like flippers.

If anything, should you be someone who wants to ban them from sport in some way, I would suggest it be taken as a way to make your arguments for that better.

Oliver is asking for compassion and compromise here. There's a suggestion out there about an open, co-ed category.

 

[Gatsby]

The dissenters never actually try to dispute anything Oliver is saying.

I disputed every single point that you laid out where John Oliver was wrong and/or off-topic.

Oliver is asking for compassion and compromise here. There's a suggestion out there about an open, co-ed category.

Open, coed sports already exist, and that's fine. And it has nothing to do with women's sports.

 

[CLAX1911]

The dissenters never actually try to dispute anything Oliver is saying.

Yes I do and here it is. Trans women athletes are male. Males have distinct and clear advantage and tests of strength agility and endurance over females.

My belief here is that the objection is not based on "fairness", but based on the concept that transgender women are simply men trying to pass as women.

Transgender women most certainly are not female.

If we care about fairness, then Michael Phelps should never have been eligible to win medals at the Olympics.

Only if he swam and competitions that were specifically for women.

He has major biological advantages -- larger wingspan, larger feet which makes them like flippers.


Oliver is asking for compassion and compromise here. There's a suggestion out there about an open, co-ed category.

There is a coed category. It's co-rec as it's not education it's recreation.

It's the category Michael Phelps swam in. There are no men's leagues.

 

[Bodi]

I hate when people use the term TRANSGENDERS because there none.

You hate a lot of shit...

I hate when people use the term TRANSGENDERS because there none. People are transgendered. Transgender guys (female to male) also exist in equal numbers

You know what is much more simple than a person that is transgender is one that transgenders into transgendered is...

A female is a female and a male is a male.

but the trans culture war has exempted them from their hate parade.

No idea... but who do you hate now? Gay Pride people are banning Transgenders from Pride Parades?

I feel like I am trying to decipher Enigma when I enter the Gender debate threads....



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[tharock220]

- Lia Thomas placed 1st, 8th, and 5th in the national swimming competitions. Even she didn't dominate all of her events.

When competing against men, Thomas wasn't even competitive nationally.

Sure enough, Oliver attempted to insult those who would disagree. The reason his show is a monologue is because he wants to frame the opposing argument himself rather than have to deal with whatever counterpoints come at him on the fly.

 

[Lisa]

When competing against men, Thomas wasn't even competitive nationally.

Sure enough, Oliver attempted to insult those who would disagree. The reason his show is a monologue is because he wants to frame the opposing argument himself rather than have to deal with whatever counterpoints come at him on the fly.

Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male? Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

 

[bomberfox]

You'll never get enough interest for it to work.

It will be niche for sure but it might be the best that can be done.

 

[CLAX1911]

Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male?

No I think he transitioned because he was in an autogynophile. I based that on seeing his Facebook posts.

I think the coach asked him to swim with the girls so that they could have a winning team.

I bet there is a number of reasons he decided to agree with it some of which is using other people to affirm his delusion

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

He's a man he's not a woman he can't transition into a woman no man can. It's not possible gender identity should have no bearing whatsoever on whether you play on the girls team or the regular team.

 

[tharock220]

Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male?

Did I say that?

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

I support all my claims in my posts.

 

[CLAX1911]

Did I say that?



I support all my claims in my posts.

I commend you for supporting your posts and making an effort to make your formalized argument. And I'm not saying this to discourage you I'm saying it so that you know who's going to benefit and who it's a waste of time for.

Did dunning Kruger effect is the effect where good morning evidence your show to suggest someone's belief is inaccurate the tighter they'll hold on to that belief.

I've provided her plenty of science and plenty of evidence and it just goes right off the window because it doesn't conform to her belief. So if you see me refusing to provide this sort of support for what I say to certain people that's why.

 

[Gatsby]

Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male? Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

No one cares why he transitioned. Are you really incapable of recognizing that not everything in the world revolves around the motivations and desires of The Tranzez? That there are other people in the world too, who deserve a fair competition, and who don't give a shit what Lia Thomas's motives are?

 

[bomberfox]

https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/ Heres a good primer on the subject.

 

[CLAX1911]

No one cares why he transitioned. Are you really incapable of recognizing that not everything in the world revolves around the motivations and desires of The Tranzez? That there are other people in the world too, who deserve a fair competition, and who don't give a shit what Lia Thomas's motives are?

Leah Thomas didn't have to give up on swimming she could have continued to swim in the men's league. Cuz it's not exactly a men's league there doesn't need to be a men's league.

I think Thomas is motivations was affirmation. I don't doubt it felt good being number one after being like 400Th.

But you're right why do all the girls have to step down so this man can win.