John Kerry admits they brought down Building 7 in a controlled fashion.

[Omgitsme]

Im very confused why people take the words said by people under great stress literally like they couldnt of mispoke.

 

[black hole]

Pull it meant pull his PEOPLE out his fireman....dear lord man...he states they didnt believe they could contain the fire...and they couldnt...and there was already so much loss of life it was sensesless to keep the squads of cops and firemen in the building...so he said PULL IT which is a common term for stopping an operation......pull it = pull the plug
Sorry truthers in my estimation are stone cold idiots and/or as unpatriotic as it gets...loons

Not a truther but what in the heck is a fire fighting chief doing making a phone call to someone not even at the scene and asking for advice on how to battle a fire?

 

[DrunkenAsparagus]

Only as I've already pointed out, there were no firemen in the building. So "pull it" cannot have referred to them!

The whole reason why the building came down was a lack of fire control. By the time any firefighters could be spared for the building, it was determined that the building was probably a lost cause.

 

[DrunkenAsparagus]

Not a truther but what in the heck is a fire fighting chief doing making a phone call to someone not even at the scene and asking for advice on how to battle a fire?

Silverstein was the leaseholder. It was essentially his property, and they wanted him to know what was going on.

 

[black hole]

Silverstein was the leaseholder. It was essentially his property, and they wanted him to know what was going on.

That makes sense. It appears there were offices in that building to fight terrorism such as CIA, etc. so it seems odd to have a private leasing owner citizen getting a phone call like that and giving advice like that when there are are a few top government agencies such as CIA, FBI, Terrorism Fighting Dept. etc, that have ties and offices in the building

 

[LiamMcGoldrick]

I think one thing has been over looked. NO other steel structure has ever been destroyed by fire, this building just happened to have a unique structure perfect for this to happen that is hard to believe, and what about the fact that the towers themselves fell at almost free fall speed suggesting almost no opposition. The steel beams at the base were cut a 45 degree angles if the pancake theory were true that frame would still be standing at minimum halfway up.

 

[mike2810]

I think one thing has been over looked. NO other steel structure has ever been destroyed by fire, this building just happened to have a unique structure perfect for this to happen that is hard to believe, and what about the fact that the towers themselves fell at almost free fall speed suggesting almost no opposition. The steel beams at the base were cut a 45 degree angles if the pancake theory were true that frame would still be standing at minimum halfway up.

Unless you can prove otherwise the cuts at 45 degree was done durining rescue and clean up.

 

[LiamMcGoldrick]

Unless you can prove otherwise the cuts at 45 degree was done durining rescue and clean up.

I agree it is not good evidence but the fact that the steel frame was not destroyed is enough to make me think that bombs were placed in the building. Not to mention the hundreds of people claiming to hear explosions, the video where you can see the explosions, the accounts that the building was emptied for security checks in the weeks leading up and of course the convenient fact that the bomb sniffing dogs were taken out that day.

 

[Objective Voice]

Don't know if this has been mentioned before among all the 9/11 Truther threads, but if you want more detailed information about 9/11 and possibly get closer to the truth behind our government's involvement in the attack, go to the website HistoryCommon.org (formerly Complete 9/11 Timeline).

 

[DrunkenAsparagus]

That makes sense. It appears there were offices in that building to fight terrorism such as CIA, etc. so it seems odd to have a private leasing owner citizen getting a phone call like that and giving advice like that when there are are a few top government agencies such as CIA, FBI, Terrorism Fighting Dept. etc, that have ties and offices in the building

Who is to say that that they were not contacted? However, it was still Silverstein's property.

I think one thing has been over looked. NO other steel structure has ever been destroyed by fire,

This is simply not true. Steel can weaken, become warped, and lose much of its load bearing strength at temperatures around 1000 to 1500 degrees, something a temperature that could have been easily reached. It can also expand at these temperatures, destroying joists. The fire had been burning uncontrolled for several hours.

this building just happened to have a unique structure perfect for this to happen that is hard to believe, and what about the fact that the towers themselves fell at almost free fall speed suggesting almost no opposition. The steel beams at the base were cut a 45 degree angles if the pancake theory were true that frame would still be standing at minimum halfway up.

45 degree cuts can be used in search and rescue. I'm not sure what kind of explosive (or thermite for that matter) can cut beams at 45 degrees.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Im very confused why people take the words said by people under great stress literally like they couldnt of mispoke.

Well, the fact that there's CORROBORATION of those stories, almost ALL of them have some level of corroboration. It's one thing if you had a singular person saying they witnessed an explosion / bomb... it's another when you got like 50 people.

Unless you can prove otherwise the cuts at 45 degree was done durining rescue and clean up.

Those pictures are suspect and depend heavily on the timing those pictures were taken, I'll give you that much... so long as you concede your assumption that ALL of the cuts were EXCLUSIVELY from the cleanup.

Who is to say that that they were not contacted? However, it was still Silverstein's property.

1 - He had nothing really to TELL that person
2 - It's an ambiguous, yet seemingly deliberate case of self-incrimination...

Ya, it's his property, but if your house is burning down the fire-fighters don't ask permission.

This is simply not true. Steel can weaken, become warped, and lose much of its load bearing strength at temperatures around 1000 to 1500 degrees, something a temperature that could have been easily reached. It can also expand at these temperatures, destroying joists. The fire had been burning uncontrolled for several hours.

Yes, and the ONLY area that had fireproofing exposed to EVEN warp due to the fires was only the area of either buildings most damaged by the collisions.

The rest of the structure had very little damage done to it... and everything below was undamaged.

It would take fires floor to ceiling to be able to heat the metal to the 1500 mark, and that's in ideal conditions, with NO fireproofing.

Once the fuel was burned out, about 15 minutes after the collision, the only thing left to burn was the plane debris itself and office furniture, while computers and desks might burn hot, they burn fairly quick and then move on... SO, after an area is no longer exposed to the fire, it begins to cool back down.

In either building, there was less than 20% of the structure on any given floor that had any significant damage to it, but it was the entire of the lowest hit floors that collapsed simultaneously after the initiation of collapse... which doesn't really make sense when you consider that it's only a portion of either building that is damaged.

45 degree cuts can be used in search and rescue. I'm not sure what kind of explosive (or thermite for that matter) can cut beams at 45 degrees.

Thermite can,
9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate - YouTube

 

[Omgitsme]

Do you have proof 50 people said there was a bomb/explosion? And anyways 50 people out of however many people were around that area isnt alot.

 

[Thunder]

not one single person saw an unexploded bomb.

 

[roguenuke]

Did you know that in certain parts of an aircraft carrier, a plane landing or taking off sounds like what many, including myself, expect the ship being attacked to sound like? Now, I have never heard a bomb go off nor experienced the ship actually getting attacked. But my first night aboard during night flight ops, I woke up scared for a few minutes because of a loud booming noise and the berthing was shaking. I realized it must be normal when the rest of the berthing slept right through it and no alarms were going off in the ship. Once my mind rationalized what the noise was, sleeping through wasn't an issue, but that first night I thought for sure we were being attacked because it was something I hadn't experienced before and my mind rationalized the noise and vibration related to the ship being attacked, not flight ops.

Another thing that sounds really loud and ominously like explosions or booms is hot steam coming too fast into cold piping, especially really big piping. It is very loud. And electrical panels can explode from fires.

I have no doubt that people may have said that they heard an explosion or that it sounded like a bomb went off, but that doesn't mean that they actually saw a bomb going off or explosives being detonated. Most people have never heard any of those things I described above, so the majority of people would most likely describe them as explosions or at the least in terms that have little to nothing to do with what is actually happening.

And in the middle of emergencies, most people can't even get their words out correctly, even if they know what happened. When I broke my nose on a valve handwheel, what got sent up to the officer in charge of the space was that I had gotten sucked into the seawater valve, despite the fact that the guy who relayed the message witnessed what happened to me.

 

[DrunkenAsparagus]

1 - He had nothing really to TELL that person
2 - It's an ambiguous, yet seemingly deliberate case of self-incrimination...

Ya, it's his property, but if your house is burning down the fire-fighters don't ask permission.

I am a firefighter, and I know that our role is to protect the lives and property of the public. A very large part of this is communicating with the public. If the incident commander decides to pull the firefighters, they are getting pulled. Their lives are considered paramount, but this does not mean that they won't communicate the decision with the property owner. A good public face is also important to the department. They will want the owner to understand why they are pulling out and be ok with it. It appears that Silverstein was merely affirming this.

Yes, and the ONLY area that had fireproofing exposed to EVEN warp due to the fires was only the area of either buildings most damaged by the collisions.

The rest of the structure had very little damage done to it... and everything below was undamaged.

It would take fires floor to ceiling to be able to heat the metal to the 1500 mark, and that's in ideal conditions, with NO fireproofing.

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No, fireproofing could have been easily knocked off by the damage from falling debris. The fire could have easily reached 1500 degrees. However, steel structures can expand and be compromised at temperatures as low as 1000. Again, basic firefighting knowledge.

Once the fuel was burned out, about 15 minutes after the collision, the only thing left to burn was the plane debris itself and office furniture, while computers and desks might burn hot, they burn fairly quick and then move on... SO, after an area is no longer exposed to the fire, it begins to cool back down.

You would be surprised how hot this can burn if left uncontrolled. A fire well over 1000 or even 1500 degrees was well within the bounds of possibility, and with the fire remaining unchecked for several hours, this would have been easy to reach.

In either building, there was less than 20% of the structure on any given floor that had any significant damage to it, but it was the entire of the lowest hit floors that collapsed simultaneously after the initiation of collapse... which doesn't really make sense when you consider that it's only a portion of either building that is damaged.

Source? The whole floor doesn't have to be compromised, just certain joists can bring the whole building down. The momentum will force down the floors below it.

Thermite can,
9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate - YouTube

Thermite goes straight down, with gravity. Again Bman, 45 degree cuts are used in search and rescue. I know more about this.

 

[markrod420]

The question that the guy asked Kerry was a lie. Silverstein never said that they "pulled" WTC 7. This is a common lie/cliche' used by the 9-11 Liars.

You have successfully missed the entire point of the video. It is not even slightly relevant whether or not Silverstein actually said that. What is relevant is that John Kerry clearly stated that the building was brought down in a controlled manner. The implications of that sentence alone are all that this video is really about. Either you are deliberately attempting to pull this conversation away from relevant discussion, or you have a powerful case of cognitive dissonance, and you have allowed one invalid piece of information to control your opinion of the entire situation, which would be extremely foolish.

Please explain to me how the silverstein comment being false has ANYTHING at all to do with the fact that Kerry admitted that the building was deliberately demolished... Because your response to this video makes absolutely no sense and it utterly irrelevant.

 

[markrod420]

ignoring witnesses as they can be unreliable, can you really watch the compiled footage of building 7 collapsing without feeling in the pit of your stomach that it is completely impossible. Because i have convinced a great many people that there is something very wrong with 9/11 just by showing them that building falling down. Nature does not do that, buildings dont just fall straight down. And even if they did, which they dont, they certainly dont do it 3 times on the same day. Im aware they were hit with planes and that is very damaging, im talking about the mathematical odds of 3 buildings all falling straight down from asymmetrical damage on the same day. Its more likely that you will be hit by lightning 3 times on the same day than it is that 3 buildings, each with asymmetrical damage, would all fall symmetrically straight down on the same day.

 

[markrod420]

Ill say the same thing to you that i said to the other person that was talking about observers not relaying the events well. ignoring witnesses as they can be unreliable, can you really watch the compiled footage of building 7 collapsing without feeling in the pit of your stomach that it is completely impossible. Because i have convinced a great many people that there is something very wrong with 9/11 just by showing them that building falling down. Nature does not do that, buildings dont just fall straight down. And even if they did, which they dont, they certainly dont do it 3 times on the same day. Im aware they were hit with planes and that is very damaging, im talking about the mathematical odds of 3 buildings all falling straight down from asymmetrical damage on the same day. Its more likely that you will be hit by lightning 3 times on the same day than it is that 3 buildings, each with asymmetrical damage, would all fall symmetrically straight down on the same day.

 

[markrod420]

Because he things....excuse me...KNOWS that 9-11 Truthers are absolute morons and are not worthy of having their paranoid and stupid questions answered.

said the man with the sheet covering his eyes. Have you ever actually watched a video of building 7 falling from multiple angles. Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound. You are one of those people that thinks "truthers" are damaging for the country arent you? You dont even realize that questioning the government is the first and foremost american tradition. Our forefathers had an innate distrust of government and they tried to pass that distrust on to us so that we would not be so easily fooled by the machinations of government, but clearly that lesson was lost on you. Do some more research. Buildings dont fall straight down on their own. They dont do at that speed either. it takes months of planning and some high paid engineers to make a building fall down that smoothly. You really need to educate yourself before you just run around insulting people because they dont agree with you.

 

[markrod420]

Kerry is commonly clueless, it's his defining trait. The timeline doesn't work, it takes days to control demo a building - and no company can be brought in within hours, set and demo a building especially if it was burning. Such a things is infinite hogwash. The 9/11 truthers are embarrassing themselves and are too stupid to know it.

Actually the 9/11 truthers are not implying that teams came in while it was burning... they are implying that the event was known beforehand because the building was wired to blow beforehand. The only one here that is embarrassing themselves and is too stupid to know it is you, since you clearly dont even comprehend what we are discussing... Educate yourself before you run around the internet trying to insult people, to do otherwise will only serve to embarrass you further.

 

[rjay]

Why would they bring "stock "put options"" to workers cleaning up the mess?

Its pretty obvious my "Why it may have been brought down" was a response to your mockery filled version of "Why it may have been brought down. (to sell hotdogs)"

I know you knew what I meant and you are just being an ass. Attaching my "put options" statement to the workers part of your statement is just shoddy. I was obviously refering to the "They brought it down because" part of your statement and anyone with high school reading comprehension should be able to gather this. You are just seeing and hearing what you want to see and hear. I really dont see the point in argueing with someone that wants to be an ass on purpose.

Agreed, there are no end of unintentional asses to choose from. Just ask Tucker

 

[Thoreau72]

My guess is that WTC7 housed the command center from which the entire operation that day was run. Not to mention it apparently had all sorts of records that might have embarrassed the Family Bush.

 

[Tucker Case]

Agreed, there are no end of unintentional asses to choose from. Just ask Tucker

Who are you and what the **** are you babbling about?

 

[Menard_K]

The question that the guy asked Kerry was a lie. Silverstein never said that they "pulled" WTC 7. This is a common lie/cliche' used by the 9-11 Liars.

See: Larry Silverstein admits WTC7 was pulled down on 9/11 - YouTube

Can U dig it?

 

[SanderO]

My guess is that WTC7 housed the command center from which the entire operation that day was run. Not to mention it apparently had all sorts of records that might have embarrassed the Family Bush.

You're not serious are you? Who and how would the embarrassing come to light? Wasn't there a better way like bribing someone to shred them?

Command Center? Jennings and Hess found it empty and with only emergency power.

That's pure hooey and you know it.