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It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it.

Perotista said:
Was it a big loss? Depends on how one defines big. Losing the presidency is big, but in other terms this was one close election. Trump currently leads Harris by 1.8 points in the popular vote. Only 2 elections since 1900 has been closer, 1960 and 2000. Yes, the electoral college was a runaway. The house, the GOP entered this election with a 222-213 advantage. As of this AM, the republicans have a 218-211 lead. 218 gives the GOP control. There’re 6 seats to be determined. 3 held by democrats, 3 by republicans. Both parties flipped 7 seats. You can’t get any closer. The senate, yes, the republicans gained 3 seats. Those 3 seats are in deep red states which shouldn’t have been represented by a democrat to begin with. The republicans may have a 4th in Pennsylvania. It should be noted that in the 5 swing states that held both a presidential and senate race, Trump winning all 5 states, but 4 elected democratic senators, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona. The 5th, Pennsylvania is going to a recount.

That takes care of Big. For me the number one and biggest reason the democrats lost, poor job performance by Biden and company. No sitting president with an overall job performance of below 50% has won reelection nor has his replacement won the next election. Biden had a 41% overall job approval, 56% disapproval with 63% of all Americans thinking Biden and his administration had this country headed in the wrong direction, off on the wrong track. With numbers like that, the republicans should have won in a landslide, bigger than big, but they didn’t. Since 1950 we’ve had 8 elections where the sitting president had an overall job approval of below 50%. 1952, Truman’s replacement Stevenson lost to Eisenhower, 1968, LBJ’s replacement Humphrey lost to Nixon. 1976 Ford lost reelection, 1980 Carter lost reelection, 1992 G.H.W. Bush lost reelection, 2008 G.W. Bush’s replacement McCain lost to Obama, 2020 Trump lost reelection, 2024 Biden’s replacement Harris lost to Trump. Everything else about this election will fall back under the poor job performance.

So then why not a bigger than big win for the republicans, a landslide? I say it’s because they went with Trump, a candidate that a majority of Americans dislike. That almost any other republican would have led the GOP to a landslide win considering the above numbers.
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Good post, makes sense.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Can you promise to stick around until 2026?
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You may win the House in the midterms, only because there is no top of the ticket.

But when it comes to 2028, who do you have, really?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Out of curiosity, do you think Trump is going to push through with his tariffs?
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He says that he is, and I support that, it's a negotiating tactic to get China to open up to some of the things we have for sale they use tariffs on.

We have been in a trade war for a long time, it's just we are the only one's not fighting it. We don't need China, they need us.

Sure it will be a short term loss for us, but we are looking for long term wins.
 
nvflash said:
You may win the House in the midterms, only because there is no top of the ticket.

But when it comes to 2028, who do you have, really?
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They have AOC. She is now the most gifted, intelligent, effective, trustworthy and authentic politician the left has now.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'll take my nation for example, Brexit was a bad idea, people were told it was a bad idea, they still voted for it and 8 years later it's still clear as day, it was a very, very bad idea.
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Brexit was a very good idea, you just have not come to realize it yet. Economic and policy independence is just what the doctor ordered. Just do not expect overnight repair of all the damage done under the EU.
Jetboogieman said:
Voting for Trump was a very, very bad idea and a very stupid thing to do.

Whether you're gonna admit it when shit goes sideways, I don't know, probably not because it's a cult
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Sounds like TDS.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
If I could predict the future I'd be a wealthy man.
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Whoever it is, how are they going to bridge the disconnected between your woke base and a center-left electorate you need to win in the general election?
 
nvflash said:
Whoever it is, how are they going to bridge the disconnected between your woke base and a center-left electorate you need to win in the general election?
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Out of curiosity, how would you define the Dem senators who won throughout the swing states?
 
nvflash said:
He says that he is, and I support that, it's a negotiating tactic to get China to open up to some of the things we have for sale they use tariffs on.
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?

What about the 20% blanket tariffs he talked about?
 
MAGAnificent said:
Brexit was a very good idea, you just have not come to realize it yet. Economic and policy independence is just what the doctor ordered. Just do not expect overnight repair of all the damage done under the EU.
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It's been eight years since Brexit and the UK has gone through five prime ministers and a continued cost of living crisis.
 
trixare4kids said:
Warning: Mayer uses the F-word in his commentary.
"It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it."

Bill Mayer, with a very sarcastic tone and lots of hyperbole, nailed why the Democrats lost the election. If they don't change, they keep losing. Isn't this what some of us have been saying to those who continue to double down in the defense of their team? He does not defend Trump or his supporters, just to be clear. He's telling the Democrats to stop digging their holes and learn from their mistakes. The entire party has become nothing but a Portlandia sketch. Take one week to ask what you did wrong.

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Dead on accurate.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
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What about the 20% blanket tariffs he talked about?
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If he thinks that wise, sure, why not.

I know it means 20% higher prices, but so do corporate and business taxes.

Sometimes you got to take a hit to win in the long term. Either we start making those products here again, or China stops trying to take advantage of our poor trade deals, and China is not the only one.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Out of curiosity, how would you define the Dem senators who won throughout the swing states?
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I define it as Trump winning the votes of a lot of Democrats fed up with the loons at the top of the party.
 
nvflash said:
If he thinks that wise, sure, why not.

I know it means 20% higher prices, but so do corporate and business taxes.

Sometimes you got to take a hit to win in the long term. Either we start making those products here again, or China stops trying to take advantage of our poor trade deals, and China is not the only one.
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You think after voters tossed Harris over inflation, they're going to accept 20% higher prices across the board?

nvflash said:
I define it as Trump winning the votes of a lot of Democrats fed up with the loons at the top of the party.
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Yet those voters still picked the Dems down ballot. What conclusion do you think you can draw from that.
 
Perotista said:
Was it a big loss? Depends on how one defines big. Losing the presidency is big, but in other terms this was one close election. Trump currently leads Harris by 1.8 points in the popular vote. Only 2 elections since 1900 has been closer, 1960 and 2000. Yes, the electoral college was a runaway. The house, the GOP entered this election with a 222-213 advantage. As of this AM, the republicans have a 218-211 lead. 218 gives the GOP control. There’re 6 seats to be determined. 3 held by democrats, 3 by republicans. Both parties flipped 7 seats. You can’t get any closer. The senate, yes, the republicans gained 3 seats. Those 3 seats are in deep red states which shouldn’t have been represented by a democrat to begin with. The republicans may have a 4th in Pennsylvania. It should be noted that in the 5 swing states that held both a presidential and senate race, Trump winning all 5 states, but 4 elected democratic senators, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona. The 5th, Pennsylvania is going to a recount.

That takes care of Big. For me the number one and biggest reason the democrats lost, poor job performance by Biden and company. No sitting president with an overall job performance of below 50% has won reelection nor has his replacement won the next election. Biden had a 41% overall job approval, 56% disapproval with 63% of all Americans thinking Biden and his administration had this country headed in the wrong direction, off on the wrong track. With numbers like that, the republicans should have won in a landslide, bigger than big, but they didn’t. Since 1950 we’ve had 8 elections where the sitting president had an overall job approval of below 50%. 1952, Truman’s replacement Stevenson lost to Eisenhower, 1968, LBJ’s replacement Humphrey lost to Nixon. 1976 Ford lost reelection, 1980 Carter lost reelection, 1992 G.H.W. Bush lost reelection, 2008 G.W. Bush’s replacement McCain lost to Obama, 2020 Trump lost reelection, 2024 Biden’s replacement Harris lost to Trump. Everything else about this election will fall back under the poor job performance.

So then why not a bigger than big win for the republicans, a landslide? I say it’s because they went with Trump, a candidate that a majority of Americans dislike. That almost any other republican would have led the GOP to a landslide win considering the above numbers.
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They kind of had to stick with Trump. He's got the mob on his side, which not just frightened off much challenge, but he would have told to stay home on Election Day.
 
trixare4kids said:
Warning: Mayer uses the F-word in his commentary.
"It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it."

Bill Mayer, with a very sarcastic tone and lots of hyperbole, nailed why the Democrats lost the election. If they don't change, they keep losing. Isn't this what some of us have been saying to those who continue to double down in the defense of their team? He does not defend Trump or his supporters, just to be clear. He's telling the Democrats to stop digging their holes and learn from their mistakes. The entire party has become nothing but a Portlandia sketch. Take one week to ask what you did wrong.

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The sad thing is that while you now promote what Mayer said about known Democratic Party weakness (I posted on this well before the election), you pathetically fail to recognize that what he is saying, is that Democrat weakness is what allowed everything you have supported and believed in, since 2016, to win in 2024.

But thanks for the Thread. You should feel good about what you have achieved. You and Trump are America. You did it! Don't even try to blame Democrat weakness to excuse what you have wanted for years. Your pro-Trump posts, no matter what he ever said or ever did, are documented. He was Republican, thus you fell in line. There is clearly nothing more to it here. Now you want to blame the Democratic Party for being too weak to convince you of simple facts and how you ucould have been a better person?! Unreal. Own what you chose to be for Trump. You get no reprieve from me.
 
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tshade said:
Bottom line- voting for Trump was a lot more stupid than voting democrat...........................no one voter should need campaigning to know that
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Yes, that is EXACTLY the sort of myopic simple mindedness in question.
 
This election turned out great; As someone once said, Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you! The more hate the better. The best thing that could happen is for the USA to break up. The world would be a much better place.
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Well said. The Dems should embark on a period of self-reflection much like the Republican Party did after losing the house in 2018 and then the presidency and senate in 2020.
 
j brown's body said:
They kind of had to stick with Trump. He's got the mob on his side, which not just frightened off much challenge, but he would have told to stay home on Election Day.
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Well, the mob is America now. January 6 is America. After this last election, where an immoral traitor like Trump wins the popular, it should be clear enough. That Nicky Haley crowd who fancies the idea that she represented anything more than what Trump did, chose Trump. That pro-Palestinian crowd who showed Harris by staying home, chose Trump. They helped define New America. And that cop-beating January 6 mob will be pardoned soon. So, not only is the new precedent of the Office about a documented traitor, a convicted felon, and a sex offender, but attacking the country to steal an election is acceptable. This has all been, and will be, codified as legit. Asking foreign governments to interfere in American elections and creating fake elector schemes is just part of the game now. George Washington and so many other Founding Fathers would be so proud.

The Global Warming deniers, the 9/11 conspirators, the pandemic deniers, the Qanon worshippers, the Birthers, the neo-Nazis, the white supremacists, the resentful military-haters, the pro-Palestine crusaders, the anti-gay, the religious fanatics, and the all-around ignorant of economic and foreign policy, have become America.

It is so sad that when the movie Idiocracy came out, we all thought it was simple satire of America. Here we are. Don't fight it. Enjoy it.
 
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