It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it.

[Deuce]

Actually blaming "the far left" is misunderstanding the issue.

Bernie Sanders would have mopped the floor with Trump.

 

[Lovebug]

Was it a big loss? Depends on how one defines big. Losing the presidency is big, but in other terms this was one close election. Trump currently leads Harris by 1.8 points in the popular vote. Only 2 elections since 1900 has been closer, 1960 and 2000. Yes, the electoral college was a runaway. The house, the GOP entered this election with a 222-213 advantage. As of this AM, the republicans have a 218-211 lead. 218 gives the GOP control. There’re 6 seats to be determined. 3 held by democrats, 3 by republicans. Both parties flipped 7 seats. You can’t get any closer. The senate, yes, the republicans gained 3 seats. Those 3 seats are in deep red states which shouldn’t have been represented by a democrat to begin with. The republicans may have a 4th in Pennsylvania. It should be noted that in the 5 swing states that held both a presidential and senate race, Trump winning all 5 states, but 4 elected democratic senators, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona. The 5th, Pennsylvania is going to a recount.

That takes care of Big. For me the number one and biggest reason the democrats lost, poor job performance by Biden and company. No sitting president with an overall job performance of below 50% has won reelection nor has his replacement won the next election. Biden had a 41% overall job approval, 56% disapproval with 63% of all Americans thinking Biden and his administration had this country headed in the wrong direction, off on the wrong track. With numbers like that, the republicans should have won in a landslide, bigger than big, but they didn’t. Since 1950 we’ve had 8 elections where the sitting president had an overall job approval of below 50%. 1952, Truman’s replacement Stevenson lost to Eisenhower, 1968, LBJ’s replacement Humphrey lost to Nixon. 1976 Ford lost reelection, 1980 Carter lost reelection, 1992 G.H.W. Bush lost reelection, 2008 G.W. Bush’s replacement McCain lost to Obama, 2020 Trump lost reelection, 2024 Biden’s replacement Harris lost to Trump. Everything else about this election will fall back under the poor job performance.

So then why not a bigger than big win for the republicans, a landslide? I say it’s because they went with Trump, a candidate that a majority of Americans dislike. That almost any other republican would have led the GOP to a landslide win considering the above numbers.

Thank you.
These are words that make perfect sense

 

[trixare4kids]

Sometimes for a laugh I watch a YT video or two of lefties losing it. Lefties have absolutely no control over their emotions whatsoever.

Truth be told, with many their politics are their emotions and you, of course, should feel the same way as they do.

 

[Lovebug]

The only democrat that lost on my ballot was POTUS.

I suspect the mileage may vary depending on where each person lives.

Senate was going to go GOP this election simply based on what seats were up…so I don’t see that as any sort of “big deal”

The issue for the GOP now becomes governing…I imagine future election outcomes will depend on how well they can do that.

In deep red TN we could have just skipped the election.

 

[Big Brother]

Actually blaming "the far left" is misunderstanding the issue.

Bernie Sanders would have mopped the floor with Trump.

Twice. But did that stop the DNC from making sure he was NOT the chosen one? Twice?

 

[Big Brother]

Truth be told, with many their politics are their emotions and you, of course, should feel the same way as they do.

Why don't they feel the same way for me? Oh, that's different. I'm wrong and they are right. And they wonder why people just can't stand this new breed of democrats. I feel no sympathy for them; they got exactly what they deserved for their horrific behavior over the last 8+ years.

 

[nvflash]

Twice. But did that stop the DNC from making sure he was NOT the chosen one? Twice?

You think you lost because your candidate and party were not left enough?

That is doubling down on stupid, every poll says the nation is center-left on just about every issue, yet you got beat on Election Day in the only poll that matters.

 

[humbolt]

Sometimes for a laugh I watch a YT video or two of lefties losing it. Lefties have absolutely no control over their emotions whatsoever.

It looks like it, but we've known that. It's rare when it's on such vivid display though

 

[Anthony60]

Bottom line- voting for Trump was a lot more stupid than voting democrat...........................no one voter should need campaigning to know that

Love that kind of thinking by the Democrats. I encourage you to keep it up!

 

[Perotista]

Thank you.
These are words that make perfect sense

The problem I have is democrats won’t admit that Biden govern poor or at least govern poorly in the eyes of most Americans even though only 41% approved of the job he had done, 56% disapproved. Then there’s the republicans who just look at the electoral college results and claim a landslide victory or a mandate from all of America. It wasn’t a landslide and neither do the republicans have a mandate. If they did, that mandate expired the day after the election. Both major parties always think an election win is a mandate from the American people for their policies. But it doesn’t take long after a president is in office for his approval rating to drop once, he starts to put his policies into effect. The Americans people end up not liking the new president’s policies as much if not more than they disliked the old president’s policies.

 

[nvflash]

Exactly. Instead of self reflection, they are doubling down on what led them to lose voters in every demographic. A part of me wants them to keep doing that as they will either reamin lost in the woods or go the way of the Whig party.

It would not surprise me to see their party split, Republicans were on the verge of it when Trump came along.

Notice how most of the 'good 'ol boy' neocons are gone or have jumped on the Trump train.

So unless they find a strong leader who can pull the factions of the party into some sort of platform they can actually sell to the American people, they'll splinter into at least two parties.

What they can't sell is men trucking women in sports, urinals in women's restrooms, jail for misgendering someone, and tampons in the boys restrooms.

Everyone is just rolling their eyes at these woke idiots as soon as they take the stage.

 

[Big Brother]

You think you lost because your candidate and party were not left enough?

That is doubling down on stupid, every poll says the nation is center-left on just about every issue, yet you got beat on Election Day in the only poll that matters.

I think Sanders connected better with the people in 2016 and even in 2020 but the DNC couldn't raise tons of cash with him, so they did what they always do and backed the candidate the Big Money donors preferred. I now live in Switzerland and European politics have influenced me enough to say that I would have preferred Sanders to Trump in 2016 and it would have been close to 50:50 in 2020. In the 2024 election I would have been 100% for Trump, even though I personally don't like the guy.

 

[Deuce]

Twice. But did that stop the DNC from making sure he was NOT the chosen one? Twice?

They wildly misdiagnosed both 2016 and 2020.

The standard, establishment, status-quo politics have been eroding the livelihoods of the American working class for decades. (middle class doesn't exist, they're working class too). The DNC wildly underestimated the anti-establishment sentiment running through America in 2016, and ran an establishment, status-quo candidate. Then, in 2020, they won a resounding victory with an establishment, status-quo candidate. They believed this was because Americans were tired of the Trump insanity and wanted things to go back to "normal." While partially true, people wanted less insanity, but they didn't want status-quo back. Biden won anyway because we were in the middle of an economic meltdown, and the reaction Americans have to economic meltdown is always "well the guys in charge now ****ed up, let's go to the other guys." Ideology doesn't really factor in anymore.

But the DNC thought this was a rebuke of "the far right," so they ran Joe Biden again.

Four years later, we're back to status quo again, adding a burst of inflation on top of it. Status quo, but things keep getting worse. And the DNC was running with more status quo. Inflation didn't become a problem four years ago. It became a problem forty years ago. It doesn't matter that Trump's policies will make things worse, people see "things are going bad" and they run the other way. Because 90% of Americans are nowhere near as tuned in as us gigantic nerds on a political forum. People working 50 hours a week and raising children on top of that don't have time or energy to deal with much else.

And they're gonna do it again, because everyone is shrieking about how this was a rebuke of the "far left," as if anything the DNC does or says is "far left." Somehow "we should treat trans people with dignity" is a radical leftist idea now. Or universal healthcare, the most normal ass basic thing every developed country does, is "far left." Come on.

There was a sizable portion of the electorate that voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary and then Donald Trump in the 2016 general election. Ideologically, that's a ludicrous thing to do. People did it because the status quo is fundamentally broken, and they just want something different.

 

[Absentglare]

Warning: Mayer uses the F-word in his commentary.
"It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it."

Bill Mayer, with a very sarcastic tone and lots of hyperbole, nailed why the Democrats lost the election. If they don't change, they keep losing. Isn't this what some of us have been saying to those who continue to double down in the defense of their team? He does not defend Trump or his supporters, just to be clear. He's telling the Democrats to stop digging their holes and learn from their mistakes. The entire party has become nothing but a Portlandia sketch. Take one week to ask what you did wrong.

What’s amazing is that all the responsibility falls on dems. It’s amazing that the media takes for granted that republicans will vote republican no matter what: a convicted felon, a rapist, a national security risk, a liar, an old fool losing his mind, there are no limits to the stupidity and gullibility of republican voters.

 

[Big Brother]

It would not surprise me to see their party split, Republicans were on the verge of it when Trump came along.

Notice how most of the 'good 'ol boy' neocons are gone or have jumped on the Trump train.

So unless they find a strong leader who can pull the factions of the party into some sort of platform they can actually sell to the American people, they'll splinter into at least two parties.

What they can't sell is men trucking women in sports, urinals in women's restrooms, jail for misgendering someone, and tampons in the boys restrooms.

Everyone is just rolling their eyes at these woke idiots as soon as they take the stage.

Maybe not split, but the DNC has the most powerful propaganda machine on the planet and they can easily just re-imagine themselves as something more palatable. Look at what they did with one of the most unpopular politicians ever: They made her into Super Kamala!.

 

[Big Brother]

They wildly misdiagnosed both 2016 and 2020.

The standard, establishment, status-quo politics have been eroding the livelihoods of the American working class for decades. (middle class doesn't exist, they're working class too). The DNC wildly underestimated the anti-establishment sentiment running through America in 2016, and ran an establishment, status-quo candidate. Then, in 2020, they won a resounding victory with an establishment, status-quo candidate. They believed this was because Americans were tired of the Trump insanity and wanted things to go back to "normal." While partially true, people wanted less insanity, but they didn't want status-quo back. Biden won anyway because we were in the middle of an economic meltdown, and the reaction Americans have to economic meltdown is always "well the guys in charge now ****ed up, let's go to the other guys." Ideology doesn't really factor in anymore.

But the DNC thought this was a rebuke of "the far right," so they ran Joe Biden again.

Four years later, we're back to status quo again, adding a burst of inflation on top of it. Status quo, but things keep getting worse. And the DNC was running with more status quo. Inflation didn't become a problem four years ago. It became a problem forty years ago. It doesn't matter that Trump's policies will make things worse, people see "things are going bad" and they run the other way. Because 90% of Americans are nowhere near as tuned in as us gigantic nerds on a political forum. People working 50 hours a week and raising children on top of that don't have time or energy to deal with much else.

And they're gonna do it again, because everyone is shrieking about how this was a rebuke of the "far left," as if anything the DNC does or says is "far left." Somehow "we should treat trans people with dignity" is a radical leftist idea now. Or universal healthcare, the most normal ass basic thing every developed country does, is "far left." Come on.

There was a sizable portion of the electorate that voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary and then Donald Trump in the 2016 general election. Ideologically, that's a ludicrous thing to do. People did it because the status quo is fundamentally broken, and they just want something different.

I agree. Americans are too caught up in the left vs. right battle to realize that the real battles to be fought are establishment vs. anti-establishment and globalist vs. nationalist. I tend to think that people are becoming more nationalist and anti-establishment. But politicians and the parties don't want to fight those battles because it is hard to have distinct platforms to create propaganda around.

 

[nvflash]

Maybe not split, but the DNC has the most powerful propaganda machine on the planet and they can easily just re-imagine themselves as something more palatable. Look at what they did with one of the most unpopular politicians ever: They made her into Super Kamala!.

What they did was lost every swing state.

If the center-left doesn't show the woke base who is boss I don't see many wins in their future.

Who do they have on the bench, Gavin Newsom, left coast loon vs. JD Vance.

That should be entertaining.

They can't connect with voters because of loons like Newsom.

Sure, if shit goes bad in the media, and we all know the left controls that, they can still win in the midterms, but where is the future leader of their party?

Anyone with a spine has jumped ship or been canceled by the woke base.

 

[phoenix2020]

Warning: Mayer uses the F-word in his commentary.
"It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it."

Bill Mayer, with a very sarcastic tone and lots of hyperbole, nailed why the Democrats lost the election. If they don't change, they keep losing. Isn't this what some of us have been saying to those who continue to double down in the defense of their team? He does not defend Trump or his supporters, just to be clear. He's telling the Democrats to stop digging their holes and learn from their mistakes. The entire party has become nothing but a Portlandia sketch. Take one week to ask what you did wrong.

Matt Gaetz isn't interested in either your opinions nor Bill Mayer's. Remember that it's your body but it's his choice, and he's going to do what he wants to take care of you as he sees fit, whether you want it or not. And this time, there will be no Democrats to stop him.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Democrats are now 99% convinced they just got the messaging wrong.

If the Presidential results in the swing states matched their Senate results Harris would have won PA, WI, MI, NV, and NC, and would be the President elect.

The disparity between the main ticket and down ballot races should be a clue that the election was not a whole sale rejection of ideology. But, do me a favor and stick around until 2026; I'll be *real* curious to hear your thoughts on the midterms.

 

[nvflash]

Matt Gaetz isn't interested in either your opinions nor Bill Mayer's. Remember that it's your body but it's his choice, and he's going to do what he wants to take care of you as he sees fit, whether you want it or not. And this time, there will be no Democrats to stop him.

Wrong thread.

 

[nvflash]

If the Presidential results in the swing states matched their Senate results Harris would have won PA, WI, MI, NV, and NC, and would be the President elect.

The disparity between the main ticket and down ballot races should be a clue that the election was not a whole sale rejection of ideology. But, do me a favor and stick around until 2026; I'll be *real* curious to hear your thoughts on the midterms.

The 'if' excuse doesn't win you anything at all.

Trump could have told Texas to take a hike and still won. Let that sink in for a few more days, your party is circling the drain and their won't be another pandemic to save it this time.

 

[Jetboogieman]

I'm kinda dumbfounded at threads like these.

Because it almost pretends that this is the last election ever, and you've won the argument for all time, forever.

I'll take my nation for example, Brexit was a bad idea, people were told it was a bad idea, they still voted for it and 8 years later it's still clear as day, it was a very, very bad idea.

In EVERY election, there can be things you could have done better, but it doesn't mean you're correct, forever or even now.

Voting for Trump was a very, very bad idea and a very stupid thing to do.

Whether you're gonna admit it when shit goes sideways, I don't know, probably not because it's a cult.

 

[nvflash]

Voting for Trump was a very, very bad idea and a very stupid thing to do.

So we have been hearing for the last 9 years, do you ever get tired of being proven wrong?

 

[Jredbaron96]

The 'if' excuse doesn't win you anything at all.

If you're going to talk about the future of elections and take notes from it, paying to attention to the discrepancy between down ballot races and the Presidential should be something you pay attention to.

Trump could have told Texas to take a hike and still won.

I hope one day you realize how badly that reflects on Texas voters.

Let that sink in for a few more days, your party is circling the drain and their won't be another pandemic to save it this time.

Can you promise to stick around until 2026?

 

[Big Brother]

What they did was lost every swing state.

If the center-left doesn't show the woke base who is boss I don't see many wins in their future.

Who do they have on the bench, Gavin Newsom, left coast loon vs. JD Vance.

That should be entertaining.

They can't connect with voters because of loons like Newsom.

Sure, if shit goes bad in the media, and we all know the left controls that, they can still win in the midterms, but where is the future leader of their party?

Anyone with a spine has jumped ship or been canceled by the woke base.

My guess is that they will re-imagine themselves as a completely different party and start a narrative that is was Trump and the MAGAts who espoused Identity Politics and woke culture. And every neo-leftist here will swear it's true. If there is one word that best describes the neo-democratic party, it is FAKE.