It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it.

[Decypher]

Exactly. Instead of self reflection, they are doubling down on what led them to lose voters in every demographic. A part of me wants them to keep doing that as they will either reamin lost in the woods or go the way of the Whig party.

Indeed. The contrast with the way the GOP took their 2020 defeat on the chin couldn’t be starker.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Indeed. The contrast with the way the GOP took their 2020 defeat on the chin couldn’t be starker.

Nice try, however the real split in the GOP was during the 2016 campaign. RINOs vs populist conservatives tired of the good ole boy establishment. The republicans were not united and gave Trump minimal support. Fast forward to the 2024 race and the republicans are more united then I have seen since the Ronald Reagan era. The RINOs have been mostly dispersed and the few remaining have been minimalized.

 

[coyote505]

Someone smarter than Bill Maher would probably look at how the Dems performed in the down ballot races and consider the actual lesson to learn from the election.

The lesson I see for Democrats is that if you spend your entire campaign deriding right of center, and center, voters as "Ma and Pa Kettle"; at some point "Ma and Pa" are going to vote for the candidate You hate the most, while saying "Greenglasses, Kiss our Asses!"

 

[Decypher]

Nice try, however the real split in the GOP was during the 2016 campaign. RINOs vs populist conservatives tired of the good ole boy establishment. The republicans were not united and gave Trump minimal support. Fast forward to the 2024 race and the republicans are more united then I have seen since the Ronald Reagan era. The RINOs have been mostly dispersed and the few remaining have been minimalized.

Is that you Letsgobrandon? Love the name change. We must talk again about how you’re an Independent.

Anyway, the GOP took a beating in 2018 and 2020 and their red wave become a trickle in 2022. An impressive win this time no doubt. But nothing to suggest the Dems need to do anything but wait for the coming Republican shitshow and recession which are inevitable as the tides.

 

[Gardener]

I agree, but I don't care if the Dems win, I am just stating the truth. I thought trumpers liked a person who "tells it like it is", like trump...............right???

I'm not a Trumper or a Republican.

 

[eohrnberger]

Yep, running on republicants are icky, so vote for me instead didn’t work.

Exactly. Instead of self reflection, they are doubling down on what led them to lose voters in every demographic. A part of me wants them to keep doing that as they will either reamin lost in the woods or go the way of the Whig party.

When your opponent is doing themselves damage, don't interrupt them.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Is that you Letsgobrandon?

One and the same. I left the picture in the profile so everyone would know.

Love the name change. We must talk again about how you’re an Independent.

And an independent I am. Have not been a republican since 1989. Ofcourse that does not mean I do not vote for conservatives.

Anyway, the GOP took a beating in 2018 and 2020 and their red wave become a trickle in 2022.

They seem to have it pretty much together now.

n impressive win this time no doubt. But nothing to suggest the Dems need to do anything but wait for the coming Republican shitshow and recession which are inevitable as the tides.

So your plan is for the democrats to just sit, wait, and hope for the GOP to fail? It would be far more intelligent to reflect and try to work out why your party lost voters at a significant level in every demographic. Think about why you lost the working class and you are now bleeding minority voters. Trump tapped into an ongoing populist movement that started in 2010. Ultimately by 2024 the republican party bought in. Meanwhile the democrats are still stuck in the Clinton era.

 

[StillBallin75]

Lol the Democratic Party has some major ****ing issues but the Republican Party is batshit insane and does not live within the realm of facts or reality. Nothing about the election changed that.

All you have is bigotry and lies, lies and bigotry.

 

[The Mark]

Warning: Mayer uses the F-word in his commentary.
"It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it."

Bill Mayer, with a very sarcastic tone and lots of hyperbole, nailed why the Democrats lost the election. If they don't change, they keep losing. Isn't this what some of us have been saying to those who continue to double down in the defense of their team? He does not defend Trump or his supporters, just to be clear. He's telling the Democrats to stop digging their holes and learn from their mistakes. The entire party has become nothing but a Portlandia sketch. Take one week to ask what you did wrong.

Part of the issue is the number of different (and often opposing) opinions about why the Democrats lost.

The liberal and to a greater degree Progressive wing tends to think it's the neoliberals and establishment that caused the failure, and that the party needs to be more like them.
The neoliberals and establishment thinks it's the progressives which caused the failure, and that the party needs to be more like them.
These two have been butting heads for awhile so they're all too often defaulting to blaming the other.

Some say it's lack of voter turnout, alternatively blaming voters or the campaign for not pushing turnout enough nationally.

Some say it's misinformation and disinformation that misled the voters into picking Trump.

Some are blaming the Gaza situation for pushing people away from Harris, Harris for not pushing away from Biden, Biden for not doing enough to reign in Israel, Israel for spending a shitload of money influencing our elections, Russia for doing the same and spreading disinformation (for example bomb threats in some areas), and a whole host of other things.

It's possible all of them are at least partially right.

Edit: I should add that there is the additional issue for the "progressives/liberals" and "neoliberals/establishments" cage match - both of them have fairly good arguments and know they need the other, when they're willing to admit it.

I think.

 

[Gardener]

Well said. The Dems should embark on a period of self-reflection much like the Republican Party did after losing the house in 2018 and then the presidency and senate in 2020.

Starting here.

Acting like a vicious mob taking pride in driving off any poster even the tiniest step to the right of Mao isn't cutting it.

 

[eohrnberger]

"Why Kamala Lost"?

1. First, conservatives and moderates took their country back
2. Middle class economics mattered
3. Issues, not identity defined the choice
4. The politics of demonization failed
5. Celebrity endorsements were worthless
6. Men are back, particularly young men
7. The mainstream media became irrelevant
8. President Joe Biden should never have run

MARK PENN: 8 lessons for Democrats and Donald Trump

Every day in the mainstream media, Trump was dumped on as hysterical and Harris praised as positive and sane while pushing for national unity.

www.foxnews.com

Given the above list, nearly all of which could have been changed, had it not been the Democrat's isolation in the leftist media echo chamber which blinded them to these things.

 

[Decypher]

One and the same. I left the picture in the profile so everyone would know.

And an independent I am. Have not been a republican since 1989. Ofcourse that does not mean I do not vote for conservatives.

They seem to have it pretty much together now.

So your plan is for the democrats to just sit, wait, and hope for the GOP to fail? It would be far more intelligent to reflect and try to work out why your party lost voters at a significant level in every demographic. Think about why you lost the working class and you are now bleeding minority voters. Trump tapped into an ongoing populist movement that started in 2010. Ultimately by 2024 the republican party bought in. Meanwhile the democrats are still stuck in the Clinton era.

If you’ve voted Republican the whole time since 1989, you’re not an independent.

Anyway, I wouldn’t say it’s my plan. I don’t have any say in what the Democratic Party does. I just don’t think a root and branch overhaul is what the party either needs or will do. They took a beating in this election, it happens. 2-4 years of a Republican shitshow will see the Dems exactly where the Republicans are now. Let’s not forget the popular vote went your way for only the second time this century. Republicans were full of this piss and vinegar in 2004. They’ve only won 2 general elections since then.

 

[Decypher]

Starting here.

Acting like a vicious mob taking pride in driving off any poster even the tiniest step to the right of Mao isn't cutting it.

lol what?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Warning: Mayer uses the F-word in his commentary.
"It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it."

Bill Mayer, with a very sarcastic tone and lots of hyperbole, nailed why the Democrats lost the election. If they don't change, they keep losing. Isn't this what some of us have been saying to those who continue to double down in the defense of their team? He does not defend Trump or his supporters, just to be clear. He's telling the Democrats to stop digging their holes and learn from their mistakes. The entire party has become nothing but a Portlandia sketch. Take one week to ask what you did wrong.

LOL..

A Portlandia Sketch.

LOL...

 

[Jredbaron96]

The lesson I see for Democrats is that if you spend your entire campaign deriding right of center, and center, voters as "Ma and Pa Kettle"; at some point "Ma and Pa" are going to vote for the candidate You hate the most, while saying "Greenglasses, Kiss our Asses!"

That might mean something if Harris hadn't explicitly pivoted towards the center for her campaign.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Warning: Mayer uses the F-word in his commentary.
"It's amazing how an election loss, even as big as this one, still doesn't put a dent in the thinking that lost it."

Bill Mayer, with a very sarcastic tone and lots of hyperbole, nailed why the Democrats lost the election. If they don't change, they keep losing. Isn't this what some of us have been saying to those who continue to double down in the defense of their team? He does not defend Trump or his supporters, just to be clear. He's telling the Democrats to stop digging their holes and learn from their mistakes. The entire party has become nothing but a Portlandia sketch. Take one week to ask what you did wrong.

Is it my imagination, or has Bill Maur made a reversal in his attitudes? I thought he was a far left idiot some years ago. He now gets it.

 

[tshade]

Is it my imagination, or has Bill Maur made a reversal in his attitudes? I thought he was a far left idiot some years ago. He now gets it.

no----he still thinks Trump is garbage, and he thinks those who voted for him are dumb----he says it in the video at the start......

 

[Lord of Planar]

no----he still thinks Trump is garbage, and he thinks those who voted for him are dumb----he says it in the video at the start......

Have you followed anything he did long ago? Look at my words, don't try to read in them what I did not say.

I specified I used to see him as a far left idiot.

I said now he understands. He is not advocating extreme views like i saw before.

I still do not agree with his positions, but now I see hope to respect him.

 

[Fletch]

Is that you Letsgobrandon? Love the name change. We must talk again about how you’re an Independent.

Anyway, the GOP took a beating in 2018 and 2020 and their red wave become a trickle in 2022. An impressive win this time no doubt. But nothing to suggest the Dems need to do anything but wait for the coming Republican shitshow and recession which are inevitable as the tides.

Translation--you have nothing to actually offer voters that might swing them to your side. You just hope they come to hate the other side more.

 

[Fletch]

That might mean something if Harris hadn't explicitly pivoted towards the center for her campaign.

No one fell for it

 

[MAGAnificent]

If you’ve voted Republican the whole time since 1989, you’re not an independent.

I am not affiliated with any political party. That makes me an independent. There are conservative independents, librul independents, and centrist. We do not all think alike all the time. Your party lost the independents this time around.

Anyway, I wouldn’t say it’s my plan. I don’t have any say in what the Democratic Party does. I just don’t think a root and branch overhaul is what the party either needs or will do. They took a beating in this election, if happens. 2-4 years of a Republican shitshow will see the Dems exactly where the Republicans are now.

It sounds like it's absolutely your plan. Sit back and hope for the GOP to fail and implode. Unfortunately for you, the last time the republicans have been this united, they held onto the White House for 12 years.

Let’s not forget the popular vote went your way for only the second time this century. Republicans were full of this piss and vinegar in 2004. They’ve only won 2 general elections since then.

I am really not concerned with the popular vote. Only libruls are obsessed with it as these days they have no real confidence they can consistently win in the arena of ideas nationwide. They prefer that densely populated areas like Los Angeles and New York call the shots for everyone. They are afraid of the electoral college maps showing alot more red then blue.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Right now the vote difference between Harris and Trump is 1.74%.

It’s not a huge loss.

2024 National Popular Vote Tracker

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[j brown's body]

The lesson I see for Democrats is that if you spend your entire campaign deriding right of center, and center, voters as "Ma and Pa Kettle"; at some point "Ma and Pa" are going to vote for the candidate You hate the most, while saying "Greenglasses, Kiss our Asses!"

Where or when did Harris or Walz do that?

 

[Lycanthrope]

"Why Kamala Lost"?

1. First, conservatives and moderates took their country back
2. Middle class economics mattered
3. Issues, not identity defined the choice
4. The politics of demonization failed
5. Celebrity endorsements were worthless
6. Men are back, particularly young men
7. The mainstream media became irrelevant
8. President Joe Biden should never have run.

1. MAGA flag slogan of no substance.
2. Yes. Harris should have emphasized this.
3. Yes and no. Donald played identity politics better (e.g. victimization, I am your retribution)
4. Horseshit. Donald's demonization worked well for him - immigrants, transgenders, childless cat ladies, and the nebulous "radical Marxist leftists" served as effective scapegoats for him.
5. Yes.
6. Men never left. Harris didn't appeal to enough of what is the largest voting bloc.
7. Mainstream media sympathetic to Donald was effective in pushing his propaganda (one small example? The schools are performing sex change operations!)
8. Agreed. Biden should have kept his promise to be a one term POTUS.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Translation--you have nothing to actually offer voters that might swing them to your side. You just hope they come to hate the other side more.

Agreed. That Donald is corrupt/anti-intellectual/a pathological liar/beginning a slide into cognitive decline is news to no one. Clearly basing the majority of a campaign on stating the obvious to voters didn't work. The Democrats, as Maher pointed out, need to focus their message on why people should vote for them, and not just against Donald.