People in your area must be morons.
Ive seen the camera systems work for speed and for lights.
I've seen a side of this you probably haven't seen.... the crash statistics..... the statistics of violators at the beginning and months later when the thing had been in operation for a while, etc etc.
All you see is, "CURSED GOVERNMENT TAXING ME ! WAHHHH"
It does not cause people to slow down and pay more attention. You keep repeating the same thing as if that will make it true. It's almost like your incapable of understanding or believing anything that isn't the State line word for word. The State says we're doing this for "awareness raising" that must be the one and only reason why these cameras are in place. But it's not. Their effectiveness is not well known. When you are placing small signs hidden in areas or no signs at all then you are doing fund raising. Plain and simple. And no amount of you trying to stick your head in the sand will change that. You can say "crash statistics", but they are definitive is corrected for other factors. Additionally, there are varying definitions for crashes at intersections. Some statistics take it to be immediate to the intersection, 50 feet before and after. Others, the ones which show the most dramatic decrease, extend that several hundred feet from the intersection. So in essence you start to include crashes mid-block. And with the reduction in driving in many big cities, that starts to look like something has happened.
But here's the thing, you may have seen the statistics, but I have seen the average American's ability to handle statistics and it's not good. So it doesn't say anything. Which definitions are you using? Which corrections were employed? You know? What crashes are we accounting for. See with a cash cow like these hidden photo enforcement things, the State won't want to let it go. They can make the numbers say anything they want, and they'll make them say whatever it is that backs their claim. You of course couldn't believe that, as you are a Statist. But it is all completely within their power, and it's not unheard of. Tons of people, companies, politicians, etc do the exact same thing. Because people don't question the statistics, they don't see where they came from, they don't see the correlation functions being used, they don't look at the definitions, etc. In short, people are stupid when it comes to statistics and everyone else knows it.
Additionally, the fines come well after the behavior, so there's no immediate connect. There are no points and the fines themselves, like those issued from those photo vans (I noticed how you tried not to bring that up again since it highlights how you were wrong, as you are wrong on this point) are very low, maybe 20 bucks. The point isn't to change a behavior, the point is to make the punishment low enough that you don't break some threshold of annoyance which would cause people to bitch. Then you just cast a big net, you issue enough tickets and you'll get a lot of money. And cities are cashing in HUGE on this. Some places, tens of millions a year.
So you can sit there and pretend, pretend that this isn't fund raising. But as with the vans, as with the "needing to post signs", you are wrong. As I said, try doing some research before you run your mouth so you don't look so ignorant on the matter.
