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Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

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Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker - Yahoo! News

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli warplanes fired missiles, killing a senior commander of the Hamas military wing and wounding 11 people in five targets hit across Gaza overnight, the group and the military said Saturday.
Well, that's one fewer terrorist and one more opportunity for all the Hamas supporters to scream bloody murder.

What's not to like about it?
 

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Killing Hamas leaders is like treating a pool with a gallon of chlorine bleach, instead of an actual chlorine delivery system. Too little, and not the right product.

The source is Iran.


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Well, that's one fewer terrorist and one more opportunity for all the Hamas supporters to scream bloody murder.

What's not to like about it?
the latter
 

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Well, I think the more clearly that they establish that they are Hamas supporters, the more easily will any sort of perceptive poster be able to see what they are all about.

Of course, not everybody is perceptive, so many fall for the b.s. they offer as they support Hamas that they are not supporting Hamas, and as they offer talking points justifying terrorism deny they are justifying terrorism, but I'm hoping at some point that at least a few might wake up who have the intelligence necessary to cut through all the b.s.
 

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Perfect example of why a terrorist organization should never be considered a viable government or political entity. First, they don't know how to govern like civilized people. Second, that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities.

Hamas want to be treated like legit world players, but they can't drop the terrorism.
 

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Perfect example of why a terrorist organization should never be considered a viable government or political entity. First, they don't know how to govern like civilized people. Second, that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities.

Hamas want to be treated like legit world players, but they can't drop the terrorism.
Santayana was right. and so much proof of it is evident on these boards:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
our founding fathers, that exhalted group who fought for and won America's freedom from an oppressive enemy, would have been viewed as terrorists - IF they had not prevailed
it was this collection of "terrorists" who crafted our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, which is why i have to scoff at seeing such nonsense as "... they don't know how to govern like civilized people ... that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities ..."
 

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Perfect example of why a terrorist organization should never be considered a viable government or political entity. First, they don't know how to govern like civilized people. Second, that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities.

Hamas want to be treated like legit world players, but they can't drop the terrorism.
Just like the IRGUN terrorists and their heirs, the Likud party.
 

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Santayana was right. and so much proof of it is evident on these boards:


one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
our founding fathers, that exhalted group who fought for and won America's freedom from an oppressive enemy, would have been viewed as terrorists - IF they had not prevailed
it was this collection of "terrorists" who crafted our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, which is why i have to scoff at seeing such nonsense as "... they don't know how to govern like civilized people ... that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities ..."
Happy to live in peace....thats beautiful. Unfortunately, does not apply to Hamas and their supporters. You will notice that I didn't say Palestinians. Existence as a Palestinian is an accident of birth. To be Hamas is a choice. Hamas have been offered peace on many, many occasions and they have spit on it each and every time.
 

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Well, that's one fewer terrorist and one more opportunity for all the Hamas supporters to scream bloody murder.

What's not to like about it?
As usual Gardener, you have predicted the "unpredicted". :2razz:
 

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As usual Gardener, you have predicted the "unpredicted". :2razz:
It took 'em a little while, but I was not disappointed!

Pavlov's pup should be so predictable.........
 

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Is there evidence that Hamas specifically is the one shooting these rockets into Israel?
 

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one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
Here it comes...:roll:

our founding fathers, that exhalted group who fought for and won America's freedom from an oppressive enemy, would have been viewed as terrorists - IF they had not prevailed
That's a ridiculous assertion. On what basis do you make that statement? Can you bring forth a single example of when one of the founding fathers advocated sustained attacks against civilians as a legitimate means of conducting warfare?
 

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The airstrike was an appropriate response to a Grad missile's having been fired at Ashkelon from the Hamas-run Gaza Strip. Israel has an inherent right to defend itself. Moreover, the recent increase in rocket fire from the Gaza Strip cannot go unanswered. Otherwise, the deterrence established from Operation Cast Lead that dramatically reduced the incidence of rocket attacks could erode.
 

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one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
our founding fathers, that exhalted group who fought for and won America's freedom from an oppressive enemy, would have been viewed as terrorists - IF they had not prevailed
it was this collection of "terrorists" who crafted our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, which is why i have to scoff at seeing such nonsense as "... they don't know how to govern like civilized people ... that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities ..."
That's a baseless and completely inaccurate assessment.

First, there is totally no comparison between the tactics of the Palestinian terrorists and those of the Continental Army during American Revolution. At no time did those who launched or carried out the American Revolution call for attacks on civilians. If one examines George Washington's Papers, one finds exactly the opposite of what Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups have sanctioned and carried out. Furthermore, Washington expressed anger when there were reports of abuses.

For example, here is General George Washington's September 4, 1777 general orders with respect to an incident where some abuses had been reported:

Notwithstanding all the cautions, the earnest requests, and the positive orders of the Commander in Chief, to prevent our own army from plundering our own friends and fellow citizens, yet to his astonishment and grief, fresh complaints are made to him, that so wicked, infamous and cruel a practice is still continued, and that too in circumstances most distressing; where the wretched inhabitants, dreading the enemy's vengeance for their adherence to our cause, have left all, and fled to us for refuge! We complain of the cruelty and barbarity of our enemies; but does it equal ours? They sometimes spare the property of their friends: But some amongst us, beyond expression barbarous, rob even them! Why did we assemble in arms? Was it not, in one capital point, to protect the property of our countrymen? And shall we to our eternal reproach, be the first to pillage and destroy? Will no motives of humanity, of zeal, interest and of honor, restrain the violence of the soldiers, or induce officers to keep so strict a watch over the ill-disposed, as effectually to prevent the execution of their evil designs, and the gratification of their savage inclinations? Or, if these powerful motives are too weak, will they pay no regard to their own safety? How many noble designs have miscarried, how many victories been lost, how many armies ruined, by an indulgence of soldiers in plundering? If officers in the least connive at such practices, the licentiousness of some soldiers will soon be without bounds: In the most critical moments, instead of attending to their duty, they will be scattered abroad, indiscriminately plundering friends and foes; and if no worse consequences ensue, many of them must infallibly fall a prey to the enemy. For these reasons, the Commander in Chief requires, that these orders be distinctly read to all the troops; and that officers of every rank, take particular pains, to convince the men, of the baseness, and fatal tendency of the practices complained of; and that their own safety depends on a contrary conduct, and an exact observance of order and discipline; at the same time the Commander in Chief most solemnly assures all, that he will have no mercy on offenders against these orders; their lives shall pay the forfeit of their crimes. Pity, under such circumstances, would be the height of cruelty.

In addition, here is the relevant portion of General Washington's October 11, 1778 instructions to Bartholomew von Heer:

...you will always remember that you are as carefully to avoid laying innocent free Citizens under any unnecessary restraint and inconvenience, on the one hand, as risking any mischief to the Army from ill-placed lenity on the other.

Source: George Washington's Papers: 1741-1799

In addition, if one compares the Hamas Charter and the U.S. Declaration of Independence, there is no similarity. The former seeks Israel's elimination. The latter sought only independence for the British colonies, not Britain's elimination.
 

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the original suicide bombers
Not accurate. The attacks carried out by Irgun e.g., at the Hotel David, were not suicide attacks. Such attacks involve a person or persons deliberately taking their own lives to attack others.
 

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Not accurate. The attacks carried out by Irgun e.g., at the Hotel David, were not suicide attacks. Such attacks involve a person or persons deliberately taking their own lives to attack others.
Feinstein and Barazani
 

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They committed suicide in prison. They did not do so in carrying out a terrorist attack.
you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
the original suicide bombers
 

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you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
the original suicide bombers
So they weren't suicide bombers, thanks for letting us know.
 

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you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
the original suicide bombers
A plan is not the same thing as an actual suicide attack.
 

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one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
our founding fathers, that exhalted group who fought for and won America's freedom from an oppressive enemy, would have been viewed as terrorists - IF they had not prevailed
it was this collection of "terrorists" who crafted our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, which is why i have to scoff at seeing such nonsense as "... they don't know how to govern like civilized people ... that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities ..."
I'm confused...

Where did the Founding Father's advocate attacking civilians, or firing randomly into populations without a care for who it hit as long as it caused political change, or called for the destruction or death of the entirity of the British?

You know, because you're ignorantly attempting to compare the Founding Father's to Hamas in the same way people compare Obama to Hitler, I was just wondering if you could clear those issues up.

Thanks!
 

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you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
the original suicide bombers
People have to actually DO something for it to be done.

At the very least you'd have an argument if they were caught planning to do it before hand and stopped by force.

They thought of doing something, and after advise and guidance decided against it.

Thus they were not suicide bombers.

Unless you're suggesting that the first person ever to even THEORIZE about the notion of doing suicide bombing is the "first suicide bombers" in which ase your claim is completely unfounded as one would have to have been able to read the minds of all people throughout history to discover who had even invisioned or thought to do such a thing but...like these two...never performed it.

And still waiting for you to back up your absolute bull**** attempt at equating the Founding Fathers to Hamas. I do hope we never see you hypocritically complaining at some point about people comparing Obama to Hitler when you do the same kind of action.
 
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