Yes, ubridled immigration is really good for the UK.
A little sarcasm. I know lot of my countrymen consider it to be 'unbridled'.You are joking surely..:lamo
What is bad for Britain is multiculturalist dogmatism rather than immigration per se and unbridled immigration is always problematic. Immigrants arriving in a new country with a desire to assimilate and in numbers small enough to make that a possibility is a good thing.
Why is "multiculturalism" bad for the UK and Europe but just fine for Canada and the US?
THe United States is a melting pot society, not a multiculturalist.
THe United States is a melting pot society, not a multiculturalist.
LOL it is the same bloody thing. The only difference is that multicultuarlism started long ago in the US, where as it is relatively new in the UK and Europe. The US went through the exact same crap the UK and the rest of Europe is going now with their "minorities" immigrating. The main US immigration wave was in the late 1800s and early 1900s and the people who arrived there were all discriminated and hated by the "locals" on a massive scale. The new immigrants fought back by establish defacto ghettos in major cities, places know as China Town, Little Italy and so on. Now some dont exist in the same way today, but some do.. China Town is a good example. The language spoken here is not English.
There is no difference between so called multicultraism and a "melting pot".
THe United States is a melting pot society, not a multiculturalist.
Ok Red Dave...
Are you feeling OK with the gross implications of a mixed population??
Pete-- the differences have been explained to you before. You may not have the capacity to understand, but that does not mean there is no difference.
What do you think it is about the United States that encourages people to integrate more?
LOL it is the same bloody thing. The only difference is that multicultuarlism started long ago in the US, where as it is relatively new in the UK and Europe. The US went through the exact same crap the UK and the rest of Europe is going now with their "minorities" immigrating. The main US immigration wave was in the late 1800s and early 1900s and the people who arrived there were all discriminated and hated by the "locals" on a massive scale. The new immigrants fought back by establish defacto ghettos in major cities, places know as China Town, Little Italy and so on. Now some dont exist in the same way today, but some do.. China Town is a good example. The language spoken here is not English.
There is no difference between so called multicultraism and a "melting pot".
Do they integrate? To me its more a myth than anything else.
Take any ethnic or religious minority in the US and many still clammer to their "old ways" far far more than their new homeland. Hell quite a few dont even speak English.
What is the most spoken language in say China town, or Little Havana? It aint English.
How is that any different than what is happening in the UK or elsewhere?
Do they integrate? To me its more a myth than anything else.
Take any ethnic or religious minority in the US and many still clammer to their "old ways" far far more than their new homeland. Hell quite a few dont even speak English.
What is the most spoken language in say China town, or Little Havana? It aint English.
How is that any different than what is happening in the UK or elsewhere?
2 Rich and/or gifted students: lets face it if we won't fund our education system we may as leave it to the Saudis and Chinese
3 International adoptees (third world countries have too many chilldren, we have too few, kinda a no brainer)
B Those that need to come here:
1 Those fleeing persecution
2 Those in a particularly dire situation back home.
Rather then our current system which simply prioritizes EU membership. Something that has been shown to be against the interests of many poorer countries.
I could just as well ask you how comfortable you are with the fact that the biggest generation in history is retiring and will live for longer then any other, while the rest of the population is declining?
I think what Gardener means is that in some European countries the government approaches immigration with a multiculturalist attitude focused on several cultures existing side by side, rather than a melting pot attitude focused on new arrivals integrating seamlessly into the local culture. There is a difference.
The UK does follow a multiculturalist approach in this sense that it allows other cultures to keep their identity in ways that can result in conflict with the indigenous population.
Switzerland is more in tune with the melting pot attitude where new arrivals are welcome as long as they integrate into Swiss society as quickly as possible.
France tries to walk the line between the two, by striving to keep its national identity, while making some small ammends for the large Muslim population. The difference is not in the fact that several cultures come together in any given place, it's in how each government/society chooses to deal with the inevitable conflicts between new immigrants and long established populations.
Actually you mistake language as an indicator of integration when it comes to Chinese. Most groups who immigrate attempt to assimilate, and all groups learn to speak english eventually. In chinatowns many who refuse are the old guard who immigrated but still think of China as their country. Their children do not and speak both english and chinese, and as the generations continue their great-grandchildren focus on english at the expense of their original language. The rest are recent immigrants who gravitate to a chinatown in order to fit in faster. Their grandchildren will be english as a first language speakers.
The USA is also a very large nation with vast territories to migrate within. This allows for cultural diversity without too much clashing. The UK is relatively small and insular, so cultural clashes are more likely. :twocents:
It's not a myth. They do integrate much faster than they do in Europe as a general rule.
Of course there are pockets of immigrants who never do, but like the previous poster said they tend to be newly arrived immigrants, or first generation immigrants who found it unnecessary to learn the local majority language.
The vast majority of immigrants eventually find their way into the melting pot, not matter where they originally came from.
Sorry but that is not the facts on the ground. Chinese have been in the US in large numbers since the early 1800s. They should have by now integrated, but we both know that they are not. But it does not bother anyone because they keep to themselves and as long as they supply the America public with Chinese food and sweatshops, then American society allows it . If you look at a map of the US where people of Chinese heritage live, then they are isolated to 4 or 5 major areas in the US.. 4 on the west coast and 1 on the east coast. The rest have very little Chinese (relative) living there.
No, sorry. The USA has a constant influx of chinese and they gravitate to Chinatowns all across the nation. As newcomers they retain their language and find English as hard to master as would an English speaker trying to adapt to Cantonese, or Mandarin. Residing in a community where they can find fellow immigrants is understandable.
That's the case in many "ghettos" if you are using the term as a gathering-place for people sharing a similar culture. But if you live here, and frequent places to dine or shop in Chinatown, you'd find many who do speak english. Most of their second and third generation residents are fluent in both. Go further down the generational chain and you'll find english becoming the primary and chinese a weakened secondary language until you get to a point where the kids can't speak more than a few words of whichever chinese dialect their grandparents used.
You also fail to realize that chinese don't all speak the same language, there are several dialects and they find it difficult if not impossible to communicate with each other unless they also speak mandarin or one of the main dialects. English becomes the bridging language after generational residence in the USA.
The same goes for many minorities in the US. People from the Indian Sub-continent gravitate into ghettos, Latin-Americans into their own locales, etc. Eventually they learn enough english to work here, and their children become fluent.
Come on...there is no freaking difference.
The "new arrivals integrating seamlessly into the local culture" does not happen anywhere!
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