Is there a Senate rule to get around McConnell?

[SenorXm/Sirius]

What's going on now has NOTHING to do with Reid. But because this shutdown is 110% Trump's and McConnell's fault the Trumpsters are knee deep in 'whataboutisms..

Anyway there are many reasons for the senate Leader to not allow a vote on a bill.. In Reid's case many of those bills had Republican House 'ACA poison pills' in them. But in THIS case McConnell doesn't want a bill to be voted on in the Senate because because he knows it will pass, and then all of hell will break loose in the GOP. Trump, Fox News and Trump's base will lose their collective minds.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

What's going on now has NOTHING to do with Reid. But because this shutdown is 110% Trump's and McConnell's fault the Trumpsters are knee deep in 'whataboutisms..

Anyway there are many reasons for the senate Leader to not allow a vote on a bill.. In Reid's case many of those bills had Republican House 'ACA poison pills' in them. But in THIS case McConnell doesn't want a bill to be voted on in the Senate because because he knows it will pass, and then all of hell will break loose in the GOP. Trump, Fox News and Trump's base will lose their collective minds.

The Trump cult and the right-wing media circus are trying to drive the country off a cliff over trump's vanity project - that they all said Mexico would pay for.

 

[eohrnberger]

We're talking about massively disrupting the American economy with a prolonged government shutdown. What happened to "transparency and accountability"? Own up to the GOP's disastrous leadership. Reid never screwed the pooch like this.

You may have been. I wasn't.

Do proceed to have a discussion with yourself. I'm sure you'll only find 100% agreement there.

The administration and GOP are more than willing to make a deal, there have been several offers and counter offers.
It seems that the congressional Dem's are the ones being recalcitrant, not even making serious counter offers, sorry but a $1 one isn't being serious. :shrug:

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

The Trump cult and the right-wing media circus are trying to drive the country off a cliff over trump's vanity project - that they all said Mexico would pay for.

McConnell is a PoS and a coward. BUT right now he is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

As this shut-down drags on the GOP will take more and more of the blame. Which is going to hurt the party.

But he can't let a House bill without Trump's money come to a vote, because he knows it will pass and then the Republican's base and Fox news will go crazy, and that will hurt the party.

The only person who could fold, and probably NOT hurt the party is Trump. lol...lol...lol... The egomaniac, who thinks he's never wrong, who said he don't even ask God for forgiveness because he doesn't do anything wrong. yeah that Trump will have to admit he was wrong!! lol.. That's the guy who can bail the GOP and McConnell out of this mess.

Good luck with that Mitch.

 

[apdst]

Well then I guess this will continue infinitum.
Sad situation for many. I heard on some show or the radio that something like 3 million people were effected by this and the cost to taxpayers by Monday would be over 5billion not including the lawsuits filed.
Oh well guess the wall is more important than actual citizens.

What about the citizens who have been murdered by illegal aliens? **** them?

 

[MovingPictures]

Cloture IMO is not in play at this point. A "Motion to Proceed" would be the means to buck McConnell which is what is required at this point. A Cloture vote might come at some point but that cart is way before the horse. Without a successful "Motion to Proceed" vote, McConnell can stonewall the process. Yes, it would only take a few GOP Senators to vote with a solid Dem block to pass a Motion to Proceed. But even if all the Dems voted as a block it would take 6 Republicans to vote with them to pass a Motion to Proceed. At the point where McConnell knew those 6 votes would go against him he would likely bring the Bill to the floor himself as opposed to suffering the embarrassment of having lost control of his caucus.

Motion to Proceed is for when a bill has already been considered, IIRC.

 

[independentusa]

I'm concerned about all United States citizens. That's why we need to secure the border.

The Dems have offered money to insure the border, but they know that they should not waste the people's money, in the end 25 billion or more, on a wall that will do nothing to help. In fact the Executive branch has not spent the 1.6 billion that they were appropriated in the last budget, so do not go on trying to tell us that the wall has any real significance except as a political tool used by Trump.

 

[apdst]

The Dems have offered money to insure the border, but they know that they should not waste the people's money, in the end 25 billion or more, on a wall that will do nothing to help. In fact the Executive branch has not spent the 1.6 billion that they were appropriated in the last budget, so do not go on trying to tell us that the wall has any real significance except as a political tool used by Trump.

Illegal immiration costs The United States $100 billion a year. All of a sudden you're worried about $25 billion? Good luck with that argument.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

McConnell is a PoS and a coward. BUT right now he is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

As this shut-down drags on the GOP will take more and more of the blame. Which is going to hurt the party.

But he can't let a House bill without Trump's money come to a vote, because he knows it will pass and then the Republican's base and Fox news will go crazy, and that will hurt the party.

The only person who could fold, and probably NOT hurt the party is Trump. lol...lol...lol... The egomaniac, who thinks he's never wrong, who said he don't even ask God for forgiveness because he doesn't do anything wrong. yeah that Trump will have to admit he was wrong!! lol.. That's the guy who can bail the GOP and McConnell out of this mess.

Good luck with that Mitch.

Man-baby painted himself into a corner with the help of his turtle-headed friend. Government by tantrum is what we have with Trump.

Trump doesn't care about anything but Trump. Mitch will have to grow a pair.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

What's going on now has NOTHING to do with Reid. But because this shutdown is 110% Trump's and McConnell's fault the Trumpsters are knee deep in 'whataboutisms..

Anyway there are many reasons for the senate Leader to not allow a vote on a bill.. In Reid's case many of those bills had Republican House 'ACA poison pills' in them. But in THIS case McConnell doesn't want a bill to be voted on in the Senate because because he knows it will pass, and then all of hell will break loose in the GOP. Trump, Fox News and Trump's base will lose their collective minds.

THIS!

The GOP senators who are up for re-election in 2020 are screwed. What senators desire above all else is to be re-elected. That is always their number one priority. If they are seen wavering, they will be primaried by Trump's base. If they continue to kowtow to the president, they will likely lose in the general election with Trump at the top of the ticket.

However, if Trump were to leave office, for whatever reason, those senators would probably be more inclined to move toward the center, because the center will be the key to their re-election bid.

 

[CriticalThought]

I do believe that the president is trying to drive the Congress to do their ****ing job.

Funny how we waited until a Democrat House was elected until he did it.

 

[eohrnberger]

Funny how we waited until a Democrat House was elected until he did it.

Agreed. He should have done this prior to 2019.

 

[CriticalThought]

Agreed. He should have done this prior to 2019.

He couldn't have. The GOP did not support it. They did not want a wall. They only support it now because it has become a new wedge issue.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Man-baby painted himself into a corner with the help of his turtle-headed friend. Government by tantrum is what we have with Trump.

Trump doesn't care about anything but Trump. Mitch will have to grow a pair.

Mitchell ‎Testudo Graeca McConnell will never grow a pair.

 

[jnug]

Motion to Proceed is for when a bill has already been considered, IIRC.

"To consider a bill on the floor, the Senate first must agree to bring it up – typically by agreeing to a unanimous consent request or by voting to adopt a motion to proceed to the bill, as discussed earlier. Only once the Senate has agreed to consider a bill may Senators propose amendments to it."

The sequence is motion to Proceed, from there to each Amendment with votes on each Amendment to votes on the Bill itself. Debate is allowed for every Amendment and for the Bill itself. A Cloture vote limits Debate to a specific time limit with the floor managers for each side controlling the time.

From Congress.gov web site.

This from the same site:
"In the Senate, majority party leadership does not use the same set of rules as the House to bring bills to the floor. One way the Senate can take up a bill is by agreeing to a motion to proceed to it. Once a Senator – typically the majority leader – makes such a motion that the Senate proceed to a certain bill, the Senate can then normally debate the motion to proceed. If it eventually agrees to the motion by a majority vote, the Senate can then begin consideration of the bill. Â Alternatively, the majority leader can ask unanimous consent that the Senate take up a certain bill. If no one objects to such a request when it is made, then the Senate can immediately begin consideration of the bill in question. (When the leader refrains from making such a request because he has been informed that a Senator would object, it is often said that a Senator has placed a hold on the bill.)"

The shocker for McConnell in the Kill the ACA effort is that he brought the Bill up himself, had a Motion to Proceed vote pass, went through the entire process of Amendments only to have McCain vote thumbs down in the end. McConnell knives where coming out his eyes as he followed McCain across the floor after his vote as anybody that actually watched that final vote will tell you. In that instance, McConnell took the chance that he would get the Bill over the finish line. McConnell had tired of the whole Kill the ACA effort and he wanted it moved out of the way, one way or the other.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Funny how we waited until a Democrat House was elected until he did it.

Exactly...they owned everything for TWO years and this was never even brought up, but they're insulting everyone's intelligence thinking we don't understand their tactics.

It is simple hostage taking.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Agreed. He should have done this prior to 2019.

No way, this was specifically planned for the opening of a Democratically controlled House, and if it hadn't been the border wall it would have been something else, some other "emergency".

Hostage taking.

 

[Middle_Ground]

What about the citizens who have been murdered by illegal aliens? **** them?

Okay let's go with that according to the dph security website there are 3 people in custody for murder....so if 3 people die as a direct result of this shutdown does that then counter your arguement?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Exactly...they owned everything for TWO years and this was never even brought up, but they're insulting everyone's intelligence thinking we don't understand their tactics.

It is simple hostage taking.

It's worse than that. Trump was going to sign a CR with no wall money. Then he turned on Fox and they commanded otherwise.

 

[eohrnberger]

No way, this was specifically planned for the opening of a Democratically controlled House, and if it hadn't been the border wall it would have been something else, some other "emergency".

I understand that you believe that. I'm not all that certain that it unfolded that way, or was planned that way.
Going about it this way seems a rather risky approach.

It was reported that Trump's advisors appraised the situation wrongly, that the wall wasn't important, and then he found out that it was.

Seems more reasonable than pre-planned from the start.

Hostage taking.

Well, that accusation could reasonably be made against either side at this point.

 

[apdst]

Okay let's go with that according to the dph security website there are 3 people in custody for murder....so if 3 people die as a direct result of this shutdown does that then counter your arguement?

Secure the border, open up the government. Problem solved.