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I think everyone should probably watch this:
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
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I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
Many would argue that is the same with Islam though. That is my point. The Koran calls for them to kill the infidel where they stand.
What your "analogy" leaves off the table is scale. Violence committed in the name of Islam DWARFS violence committed in the name of Christianity.
I honestly don't know how you know that, Jack. I don't know it and I'll tell you that up front. It would be grand if you could validate your assertion.
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
YEAH!? How could he possibly know that!? Papers, TV, Radio, Internet. I think unless you either live in a cave or in some parallel bizzaro world dimension where everything is backwards, it is impossible NOT to know that.
The US doesn't seem to be in a global war against Ponzi schemes or anti-abortion zealots. But, point taken.Is it bigoted? Let's play with that comment and find out!
"If it were up to me, I would not have another Synogogue built in this country until we knew who was conducting ponzi schemes."
"If it were up to me, I would not have another Church built in this country until we knew who intended to kill abortion doctors."
Of course it is. Theres zero evidence of large islamic representation in acts of terror. Therefore definitions should be narrowed to encompass groups within the great religion of islam, rather than short handing a quarter of the planet.
Except there is Nothing in Hebrew tradition or scripture prescribing Ponzi Schemes....Is it bigoted? Let's play with that comment and find out!
"If it were up to me, I would not have another Synogogue built in this country until we knew who was conducting ponzi schemes."
"If it were up to me, I would not have another Church built in this country until we knew who intended to kill abortion doctors."
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
Example1:
I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
Except there is Nothing in Hebrew tradition or scripture prescribing Ponzi Schemes....
and Nothing in Christian scripture about abortion, much less killing practioners thereof. In fact, 'turn the other cheek' is the guiding principle.
OTOH, there IS Scriptural justification for Jihad in Islam, and people ARE killed Daily in the Name of Islam, from Mauritania to Mindinao.
'Kill them wherever you find them' rather than 'turn the other cheek'.
Mohammed a warlord, Jesus a non-violent reformer.
More people are killed on Many SINGLE DAYS in the Name of Islam than have died in 30 YEARS of abortion clinic violence.
It's so Lopsided [quantatively], and Non-analogous scripturally, it's disingenuous to even make the comparison.
mbig said:More people are killed on Many SINGLE DAYS in the Name of Islam than have died in 30 YEARS of abortion clinic violence.
It's so Lopsided [quantatively], and Non-analogous scripturally, it's disingenuous to even make the comparison.
Thinkforyoursel said:damn man. you go on about antisemitism and you are happy to slander muslims en masse. youre incredibly bigoted and repugnant.
prove what you just said.....
Without detailing the Extensive monthly list of Muslim Carnage (triple digits) that would take 3 or 4 posts, I count 38 Single Events in the last 30 DAYS alone in which 10 or more people were Murdered in the Name of Islam.http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks said:Too many to post even for a mere 30 days
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
Example1:
I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
Actually they might be getting even with us. I mean the Christians slaughtering millions during the Crusades and the U S going over to the middle east in the 30's and beginning to steal their oil and idiots like Bush attacking one of their oil countries and slaughtering 150,000-200,000 innocent Iraqis...are you ****tin me? It should be against the law for a Christian to even utter the word Muslim.
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
Example1:
I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
Give me proof, PB. Give me numbers and data. Show me. I'll read it. So far what you are telling me is that US media says it so it must be so. But even then I don't know that I have ever read or heard the new media say "Violence committed in the name of Islam DWARFS violence committed in the name of Christianity" or anything similar. If they did you've obviously read and heard it often. The media would certainly have to provide facts and data or you wouldn't have simply taken their word for it. Well how about sourcing it with sources providing data. That's all I am asking.
If you say it is true then you've seen facts I have not seen. Please share the information that convinced you and maybe I'll be convinced. Thanks in advance.
Actually they might be getting even with us. I mean the Christians slaughtering millions during the Crusades and the U S going over to the middle east in the 30's and beginning to steal their oil and idiots like Bush attacking one of their oil countries and slaughtering 150,000-200,000 innocent Iraqis...are you ****tin me? It should be against the law for a Christian to even utter the word Muslim.
If, on the other hand, you fly planes into buildings for the glory of Allah. Well, that's violence in the name of religion. If you kidnap someone and cut their head off because they have a different religion, that's violence in the name of religion. Are you following the conversation now, Campbell?
The issue was acts of violence in the name of religion. Not ancient crusades. Not military actions. Killing people because they have a different religion. Let me help you out here. If you shoot someone because they are trying to kill you, that's not violence in the name of your religion. If, on the other hand, you fly planes into buildings for the glory of Allah. Well, that's violence in the name of religion. If you kidnap someone and cut their head off because they have a different religion, that's violence in the name of religion. Are you following the conversation now, Campbell?
From what I have read the people who flew the planes on 9/11 were not religious. I understand they were drinking heavily and visiting prostitutes in the days beforehand, hardly what a religious Muslim would be doing.
I would be very surprised in anyone did not condemn such acts. I would suggest you are missing the point.
From what I have read the people who flew the planes on 9/11 were not religious. I understand they were drinking heavily and visiting prostitutes in the days beforehand, hardly what a religious Muslim would be doing.
You should also consider the number of people involved in 9/11 - not many. The whole world was against that. It was called 'an act against humanity'.
The whole world would have worked to bring those responsible to justice.
How many people have been killed in revenge - hundreds of thousands.
Your choice is to blame the actions nobody could say is anything but abhorrent on all Muslims and that is far from the truth. You also fail to notice the harm which has been done to Muslims themselves and the situations which have given rise to fanatics.
Ironically the US hugely supports Saudi Arabia the country most closely related to not only 9/11 but also the fanatics - has done since Afghanistan 1. (Russian/US Afghan war)
What about Bush including his Christian god in the decision he made to invade Iraq...a country 10,000 miles away which had in no way harmed us? An oil country which within six months were being operated by American interests. He prayed....then his draft dodging ass caused the deaths, wounding, forced evacuation and complete annihilation of a way of life. If there is a god.....which I have no idea there is... I don't believe in 2000 year old fairy tales, Bush had better gird his loins because his surroundings for the stretch to eternity will be mighty hot.
What about Bush including his Christian god in the decision he made to invade Iraq...a country 10,000 miles away which had in no way harmed us? An oil country which within six months were being operated by American interests. He prayed....then his draft dodging ass caused the deaths, wounding, forced evacuation and complete annihilation of a way of life. If there is a god.....which I have no idea there is... I don't believe in 2000 year old fairy tales, Bush had better gird his loins because his surroundings for the stretch to eternity will be mighty hot.
Lewis's basic premise, put forward in a series of articles, talks, and bestselling books, is that the West--what used to be known as Christendom--is now in the last stages of a centuries-old struggle for dominance and prestige with Islamic civilization. (Lewis coined the term "clash of civilizations," using it in a 1990 essay titled "The Roots of Muslim Rage," and Samuel Huntington admits he picked it up from him.) Osama bin Laden, Lewis thought, must be viewed in this millennial construct as the last gasp of a losing cause, brazenly mocking the cowardice of the "Crusaders." Bin Laden's view of America as a "paper tiger" reflects a lack of respect for American power throughout the Arab world. And if we Americans, who trace our civilizational lineage back to the Crusaders, flagged now, we would only invite future attacks. Bin Laden was, in this view, less an aberrant extremist than a mainstream expression of Muslim frustration, welling up from the anti-Western nature of Islam. "I have no doubt that September 11 was the opening salvo of the final battle," Lewis told me in an interview last spring. Hence the only real answer to 9/11 was a decisive show of American strength in the Arab world; the only way forward, a Kemalist conquest of hearts and minds. And the most obvious place to seize the offensive and end the age-old struggle was in the heart of the Arab world, in Iraq.
This way of thinking had the remarkable virtue of appealing powerfully to both the hard-power enthusiasts in the administration, principally Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, who came into office thinking that the soft Clinton years had made America an easy target and who yearned to send a post-9/11 message of strength; and to neoconservatives from the first Bush administration such as Paul Wolfowitz, who were looking for excuses to complete their unfinished business with Saddam from 1991 and saw 9/11 as the ultimate refutation of the "realist" response to the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam in power in '91, betraying the Shiites, and handing Kuwait back to its corrupt rulers had been classic realism: Stability was all. But it turned out that the Arab world wasn't stable, it was seething. No longer could the Arabs be an exception to the rule of post-Cold War democratic transformation, merely a global gas station. The Arabs had to change too, fundamentally, just as Lewis (and Ataturk) had said. But change had to be shoved down their throats--Arab tribal culture understood only force and was too resistant to change, Lewis thought--and it had to happen quickly. This, in turn, required leaving behind Islam's anti-modern obsessions.