Is Making Anti-Muslim Comments Bigoted[W:92,185]

[calamity]

l agree with you

but not being able to trust any muslim is a wrong statement ,why do they need to make sure they are not ?

if muslims are supposed to be terrorist

what are cia agents ?

CIA agents have a license to spy, kill, maim, torture and overthrow democratically elected governments. They are more big brother than terrorist. Terrorists lack the license.

 

[Papa bull]

Fanatic Christians did the same to the Muslims, which correlated to the decline and regression of the once supremely advanced civilization of Islam. There is a very deep historical basis to all of this.

So you excuse Muslim violence today based on history many hundreds of years old, huh? I don't think that's sane or rational.

 

[Papa bull]

l agree with you

but not being able to trust any muslim is a wrong statement ,why do they need to make sure they are not ?

if muslims are supposed to be terrorist

what are cia agents ?

How many beheadings have CIA agents performed lately? How many suicide bombings? How many stonings? Since when did CIA agents start attacking high population civilian targets purely to instill fear in a population?

 

[Medusa]

How many beheadings have CIA agents performed lately? How many suicide bombings? How many stonings? Since when did CIA agents start attacking high population civilian targets purely to instill fear in a population?

they dont do it themselves
they provoke the others to do it!

 

[Gardener]

So you excuse Muslim violence today based on history many hundreds of years old, huh? I don't think that's sane or rational.

This is one of the three main specious tools that dishonest apologists use to try to paint their false pictures of moral equivalence.

The first of these has to do with prevalence -- If any given attitude is common in Islam, but rare in Christianity, they seize upon the similar Christian attitudes and scream -- "Look, they are the same!!".

The second tool the apologists use has to do with magnitude. If something is truy egregious in Islam, say, torturing a gay person to death for Islam, the apologists will point to the God Hates Fags creatures picketing of funerals (which also qualifies under the first category since a far greater percentage of Muslims are virulently anti-gay than Christians). THe two actions are different in terms of damage, yet they attempt to make them equivalent.

THe third trick is the one you are responding to here, where actions are supported in the present by comparing them to other actions in the distant past. Perhaps these people have been watching too much star trek and think we are experiencing a rift in the time-space continuum or something.

The apologist's lack of honesty clouds the discussion because of the extreme degree of sophistry, since the discussion should be based upon values. Not all Muslims hold the extremely conservative values, but when the apologists decide to defend Muslims, what they defend ARE the most arch, and so they are actually enabling the Islamists rather than the Muslims they think they are defending. It is Muslims who are the first victims of the Islamists, yet these misguided people are too ignorant and lack the intellectual clarity necessary to understand the issue. All they know is "Must defend Islam at all costs!!", so they go about the business of constructing incredibly specious arguments painting these false pictures so as to defend anything and everything about Islam, ESPECIALLY the Islamist totalitarians.

 

[Morrigi]

How many beheadings have CIA agents performed lately? How many suicide bombings? How many stonings? Since when did CIA agents start attacking high population civilian targets purely to instill fear in a population?

They didn't, but the military did. Well over a million civilians killed in the last twelve years of war. Last I checked, al-Qaeda is a pinprick compared to that. Mass murder has been official U.S. policy since Vietnam.

We have killed countless civilians in these wars with no definitive victory condition and the callous mass-murder of civilians in occupied countries always creates more guerrilla activity against the occupying troops.

Now, if a million Americans had been killed for whatever reason wouldn't you want to stand up and fight? Wouldn't anyone want to get up and take their country back? Our nation was founded on rebellion yet when others rebel due to our activities we call them terrorists. In fact, people are now being accused of terrorism for things that are written on the internet. Where is the justice here? where is the reason?

 

[Papa bull]

They didn't, but the military did. Well over a million civilians killed in the last twelve years of war. Last I checked, al-Qaeda is a pinprick compared to that. Mass murder has been official U.S. policy since Vietnam.

Where do you get this crap? :roll:

 

[Morrigi]

That's actually my bad, more recent studies have shown it's only around 200,000 at maximum.

However, the point still stands.

 

[Papa bull]

That's actually my bad, more recent studies have shown it's only around 200,000 at maximum.

However, the point still stands.

To your point that still stands weakly:

1. The number of civilians that died during the war is not to be confused with the number of civilians killed by the US military.

2. If the US military actually targeted civilians, the numbers that would have been racked up would have quickly and easily exceeded your first, erroneous "million" number.

3. The 200,000 number is suspect, as more recent "body counts" number a lot closer to 100,000 in civilian casualties, many of which were killed by insurgents.

The fact that Al Queda started the war and that Al Queda STILL focuses on civilian targets with no military value whatsoever should tell you who the bad guys are in all this, but for some reason, you're not getting the picture here.

 

[Morrigi]

1. The 100,000 - 125,000 number is roughly the average for Iraq alone. 200,000 overall is still lowballing it compared to earlier studies even just in Iraq.

2. There are still studies that put the numbers over 600,000 for Iraq alone.

3. See above.

You can't really wage war on a non-governmental entity. They have no borders, no set-in-stone infrastructure. They can move from country to country and avoid death or capture.

By the way, al Qaeda has succeeded in its goal of terrorism beyond its wildest dreams. Due to their actions, those in power have an excuse to erode and infringe upon our rights as they have been since 2001. This is exactly what they want, to bring down the American way of life by way of fear as revenge for our earlier meddlings in Middle-Eastern affairs.

Considering that at this rate the Constitution will be entirely meaningless in a decade or two, they have achieved their objective. We, on the other hand, are digging ourselves into several very deep holes at the same time and have achieved nothing decisive other than a massive waste of taxpayer dollars, trampling of our own Constitutional rights, and general ****ery by the government to give themselves more power.

 

[Papa bull]

1. The 100,000 - 125,000 number is roughly the average for Iraq alone. 200,000 overall is still lowballing it compared to earlier studies even just in Iraq.

2. There are still studies that put the numbers over 600,000 for Iraq alone.

3. See above.

You can't really wage war on a non-governmental entity. They have no borders, no set-in-stone infrastructure. They can move from country to country and avoid death or capture.

By the way, al Qaeda has succeeded in its goal of terrorism beyond its wildest dreams. Due to their actions, those in power have an excuse to erode and infringe upon our rights as they have been since 2001. This is exactly what they want, to bring down the American way of life by way of fear as revenge for our earlier meddlings in Middle-Eastern affairs.

Considering that at this rate the Constitution will be entirely meaningless in a decade or two, they have achieved their objective. We, on the other hand, are digging ourselves into several very deep holes at the same time and have achieved nothing decisive other than a massive waste of taxpayer dollars, trampling of our own Constitutional rights, and general ****ery by the government to give themselves more power.

While there is no question that the patriot act was grossly over-reaching, the real challenge to this country is in surviving the progressive agenda. Al Queda will remain a threat probably forever since Muslims seem to be hell bent on their crusade to dominate the world, but they're not as much of a threat as the political can we eating us from the inside.

 

[Morrigi]

Funny, Christians were hell bent on dominating the world and did so to the Muslims back in the day...

Anyway, I agree totally. According to the CDC, you are far more likely to be shot by police, beaten to death, killed by brain parasites, or starve to death than be killed by terrorist activity. Until we find the balls not to fear them and act like nice little sheeple whenever the government tells us to do something, they are winning.

 

[mbig]

Funny, Christians were hell bent on dominating the world and did so to the Muslims back in the day...

Anyway, I agree totally. According to the CDC, you are far more likely to be shot by police, beaten to death, killed by brain parasites, or starve to death than be killed by terrorist activity. Until we find the balls not to fear them and act like nice little sheeple whenever the government tells us to do something, they are winning.

IOW, and since your fallacious "you too's"/allegations of a "million" and "Mass Murder is US gov't policy" have been Outed for the Garbage they are, and you know NOTHING about Islam or it's inherent/Inordinate violence....
you now fold your tent on the issue... "anyway"...and deflect it with comparing terrorism to CDC Medical conditions.
A total Washout on the actual topic.