I agree.Shortly after the Boston Marathon bombings, Beckel said that Muslim students from abroad who wanted to study in the U.S. should be cut off from doing so, "so that we can at least absorb what we've got, look at what we've got and decide whether some of the people here should be sent back home or sent to prison."
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.He referenced his previous comment about Muslim students on Tuesday during a discussion on a recent deadly attack on a Nigerian boarding school. The attack was believed to be carried out by militants who were Boko Haram Islamic radicals. "If it were up to me, I would not have another mosque built in this country until we got it worked out who was not a terrorist," Beckel added.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
Example1:
I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
It's amazing that so many people fail to understand a very simple concept when it's about Muslims, although they perfectly understand it when it's about other groups such as Jews or blacks:
What bothers people about "islamophobia" is not that radical islamism is under attack. It's the broad-brushing of many that paint all Muslims with the same broad brush, or even all immigrants in general. And yes, that often happens.
Would be nice if we didn't stereotype groups, but instead focused more on the individuals.
The yardstick I use involves the distinction between what is voluntary and what is not. A persons race, ethnicity, sex and various other attributes are involuntary. An ideology, however, is a choice, so criticism of one ideology should be treated in similar fashion to criticism of any other.
As to bigotry, if criticism of the ideology is transfered to criticism of people, an those who follow it in varying degrees are all are treated the same, then the attitudes are bigoted since they do not allow for variences in individual interpretation.
As to Islam, specifically, my experience on these boads has made it clear that if one criticizes the ideology, and number of posters (especially British) will wag their fingers at you calling you an Islamophobe, even if you are quite careful to distinguish between Islamists and ordinary Muslims. Same goes when addressing Muslim beliefs as a whole, if one points out problematical beliefs that affect signifigant percentages of the population, be prepared to be accused of attacking ALL Muslims.
It's amazing that so many people fail to understand a very simple concept when it's about Muslims, although they perfectly understand it when it's about other groups such as Jews or blacks:
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What about Jews? It's an ideology too, not a genetic trait
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
Example1:
I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
1. I agree1. I don't think that was hating Muslims, that was talking about figuring out who is here as a terrorist disguised as a peaceful Muslim.
2. I truly don't believe Islam is a religion of peace as they claim.
3. Bigoted, I guess yes by the very definition of the term, but wrong? No, I don't think so.
What about Jews? It's an ideology too, not a genetic trait, if we're not dealing with genetic arguments, but attacks on Israeli national identity/mindset and/or religion.
If someone said "Jews are a threat/I don't like Jews, because they believe they are ethnically superior and have a God-given right on Palestinian lands, and will never recognize non-Jews as equal" (which undoubtedly is indeed true for not few more conservative Israelis and their sympathizers), I'd consider that a bigoted over-generalization, as there are many Jews who don't fit that description.
I think the many attacks on Muslims are about equally true as that description of Jews. Hence I don't think it would be fair to stereotype either religious group.
There are many things I'd criticize about the religion of Islam, much like I'd criticize many things about Christianity. But when I look at the Christians and Muslims around, I see they're very diverse and don't necessarily share these religious believes either.
1. I agree
2. If it was the religion of peace, people would not be afraid to draw cartoons of Mohammed, and schools would not be firebombed with exits barricaded.
3. I never considered that sometimes being bigoted is not wrong. Food for thought. Thanks.
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
Example1:
I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
Seems a Fox host is being called a bigot for voicing some anti-Muslim opinions.
Bob Beckel: 'If It Were Up To Me, I Would Not Have Another Mosque Built In This Country Until We' Knew Who Were 'Terrorists' (VIDEO)
I'm not so sure.
Example1:
I agree.
Example 2:
Unconstitutional. So that's a non-sequitor. But, what happened in that Nigerian school is one reason I personally would like to see radical Musllim groups like Boko Haram wiped off the face of the earth.
Is hating on radical Muslims bigoted? I think not. Is being suspicious of all Muslims until sure they are not radicals bigoted? Borderline issue, IMO.
He is not hating on radical Muslims, he is hating on all of Muslims. In neither quote does he make a distinction.
As for your question, let's draw a parallel that might be illustrative. Most abortion clinic bombings and threats and shootings are done by radical Christians. Now leave aside whether you think that is really comparable to Muslim terrorism as that is irrelevant for what I am going for. If, because of those bombings and violence, some one suggested that no more Christians should be allowed in the US and no more churches should he built in order to investigate what we already have here and worked out which ones where terrorists, would you consider that bigoted?
Everyone always assumes that being bigoted is bad in every case. The fact is, most of society is bigoted toward murderers, rapists, but you don't hear people screaming "you bigot" for hating and talking against those people.
It is not bigotry to have antipathy for murderers and rapists. It is a judgment based on individual behavior and is reasonable; not a stubborn narrow-mindedness toward other belief systems that is in effect.
Let me clarify, people who support murder, and rape, or lust after children, or whatever. You don't hear people screaming bigots at people who hate those kinds of people.
In making any analogy, there should be a certain responsibility placed upon the one doing to to ensure a certain sense of equitability. How many fellow Christians support Abortion clinic killings and how many Muslims support terrorism? How many Christians support the complete implementation of Christian law and how many Muslims want Sharia?
I'm not saying his comments are not bigoted, but it is specious to make analogies when one attitude is prevalent in one population and the same attitude quite rare in another. It suggests a sense of moral equivalence that does not exist in reality, and so is the product of apologia rather than any real attempt at understanding.
What absolute nonsense. Judaism may be a religion, but the majority of Jews are secular, their Jewishness defind by ethnicity, not religion.
Rather than your derailing the thread in order to try to make it about Jews and Israel, however, perhaps it would be better to stick to the subject.
That's because it is not a closed-minded prejudice and hatred toward people with different beliefs that is in play. It is an antipathy toward people that support despicable acts of violence and depravity.
If a higher percentage of Christians condoned abortion clinic bombings perhaps it would be justified.He is not hating on radical Muslims, he is hating on all of Muslims. In neither quote does he make a distinction.
As for your question, let's draw a parallel that might be illustrative. Most abortion clinic bombings and threats and shootings are done by radical Christians. Now leave aside whether you think that is really comparable to Muslim terrorism as that is irrelevant for what I am going for. If, because of those bombings and violence, some one suggested that no more Christians should be allowed in the US and no more churches should he built in order to investigate what we already have here and worked out which ones where terrorists, would you consider that bigoted?
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