"Can you help me with this? It seems Breivik will eternally be deemed a Christian to further their pro-Islam.stance. " Lol so anyone who disagrees with you is pro-Islam now? Sorry,he was a Christian and saying that doesn't make me "pro-Islam." It means I look at facts.
By his own words he acknowledges that he is not a christian. What he does in his manifesto is he creates new definitions for Christianity. For instance, if someone declared themselves to he a homosexual who is not attracted to a person of the same sex but is attracted to members of the opposite sex, then no matter how much this person declared themselves to be a homosexual, they wouldn't qualify.
Breivik's own words:
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform.
He's declaring that there exist two categories of Christians, those who are religious and those who admire the cultural, social,identity and moral artifacts which arise within societies which are dominated by "religious Christians."
There certainly is a category for people who qualify under his definition but they're not Christians. They'd be better described as Westerners or Post-Enlightenment adherents, or Western Civilization fans.
He's as confused as that nutty Christian preacher who thought she could simultaneously be a Muslim.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...m-sentiment-mainstream-54.html#post1059721870
Basically, IS Anders Breivik a Christian? I'm getting a lot of conflicting data from Christian organizations to, lol, Media Matters.
Can you help me with this? It seems Breivik will eternally be deemed a Christian to further their pro-Islam.stance.
I'm currently searching for his own words, and I could really use your help with this. If it is so cut-and-dry, then let's put this issue to bed.
But you see that's the difference.
I'm not saying that, to get at you. Im not saying it, to paint Christianity in a bad light.
He wasn't a Christian in a conventional sense or what a christain should be.
The terrorists of 9/11 are not Muslims in a conventional sense. And are not what a Muslim should be.
That is why when bigots attempt to link 9/11 to the general Muslim population I shall stand with them.
And why when you use words like "pro-Islam" you're exposing your own fear, your own bigotry and your own stupidity.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...m-sentiment-mainstream-54.html#post1059721870
Basically, IS Anders Breivik a Christian? I'm getting a lot of conflicting data from Christian organizations to, lol, Media Matters.
Can you help me with this? It seems Breivik will eternally be deemed a Christian to further their pro-Islam.stance.
I'm currently searching for his own words, and I could really use your help with this. If it is so cut-and-dry, then let's put this issue to bed.
this is a reply to you from another thread. (which you conveniently ignored by the way). it says it all.
this is a reply to you from another thread. (which you conveniently ignored by the way). it says it all.
I did no such thing. Do you not think people decide to respond to more important posts the morning after, rather than when delirious? Perhaps your skittish and impulsive behavior speaks for you.
But the fact is (and it's a sad one) Christians seem more likely to mirror or mimic the secular life than live the Christian life. When they do well, they're just regular folks. When they really screw up, they're Christians.
Imagine that Christians truly were a fearsome force, and that pastors truly did send the faithful out every Sunday to wreak havoc. What would the result be?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...m-sentiment-mainstream-54.html#post1059721870
Basically, IS Anders Breivik a Christian? I'm getting a lot of conflicting data from Christian organizations to, lol, Media Matters.
Can you help me with this? It seems Breivik will eternally be deemed a Christian to further their pro-Islam.stance.
I'm currently searching for his own words, and I could really use your help with this. If it is so cut-and-dry, then let's put this issue to bed.
If you buy into this yoy're a damn fool wo puts politics before reality
"At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised (sic) and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church," the 32-year-old Breivik wrote. "I consider myself to be 100 percent Christian."
"I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe."
I wonder what he said on the matter?
Is Anders Breivik a 'Christian' terrorist? - Times Union
Well, see what a little research can do, it can answer all your questions for you painlessly. He is a christian, by his own words. No poll needed.
I'm an atheist so I have no dog in this hunt, but what you posted doesn't support your argument and you conveniently clipped his quote in order to falsely slant your argument.
1.) At 15 he chose to be baptized. This can tell us only a few things. The first is that he may have been Christian at age 15. The second is that he may have undertaken the baptism as a cultural symbol rather than as a religious affirmation. What we need to know is WHEN he developed his unique definition of Christianity having two faces, a religious face and a cultural face. As an adult he rejected the religious face and clung to the cultural face. If at 15 he had already developed this unique viewpoint then his baptism had nothing to do with developing a relationship with god and was instead a symbolic bonding of an individual to a christian culture.
2.) His later writings should have more relevance that his earlier deeds. He clearly states that he's not religious, see above. Here is what you omitted from your quote:
"At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised (sic) and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church," the 32-year-old Breivik wrote. "I consider myself to be 100 percent Christian."
But he also fiercely disagrees with the politics of most Protestant churches and the Roman Catholic Church.
"Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man," he writes. "I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe."
He says he is a christian. It's his decision.
The real problem is that some people see his being a christian as negatively impacting christianity, so they either support or deny his belief based on that.
For someone with no dog in this hunt, there's an awful lot of crashing around blasting off at imagined anti-Christians.
1.) I'm lying and really am a Christian but pretend not to be.
2.) I'm anti-liberal, so if they're anti-religion I'll argue in defense of religion.
3.) My argument is the most parsimonious and I like to attack weaker arguments.
Hint: The answer is #3.
Well not really.
You're good with words (and colouring inside the lines I'm sure) but long sentences and paragaphs don't mask obvious denial and smoke screens.
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