Geez,another "banging your head against the wall thread" on the "Religion and Philosophy" subforum.
If the level of denseness gets any greater on this subforum,it is going to collapse due to it's own gravity into a black hole,sucking the entire planet into it.
Now that being said let my fully admit that I missed your post (#58) on page 6 and for that I fully and sincerely apologize
"Now if you wish to define "God" the way I and plenty of other Taoists view "God" as "being every particle and force in the universe being interconnected and influencing every other particle and force in the Universe (and possibly an infinite amount of Universes) throughout time and space (thus the Taoist and Buddhist saying "All Is One") in a way that we do not quite understand at this moment,
that contains both intelligence and life within it, obeying a set of fundamental rules that we are only just beginning to discover, then yes there is plenty of evidence to support that."
And no one on this thread (or even on this this entire forum) has ridiculed me about it or told me I was foolish to believe the way I d
r even said I was wrong.
So from what I can gather you are stating that you view god basically the same way I do
If any one here has ridiculed you for your beliefs on this forum they are wrong to do so and they should apologize.
As a taoist I personally see no problem with that belief.
If that is what you believe than that is what you believe.
That is your right.
I and others may not agree with that,but that is our right.
There is no evidence to suppport or disprove it in any way,so arguing about it is a moot point.
I don't know what this has to do with this conversation,but umm o.k.?
So do I.
I also believe in reincarnation.
That is both our rights to believe.
Just don't state it as a FACT and there will be no problems.
Whether or not your beliefs are acceptable to me is beside the point.
I am under no obligation to accept your beliefs.
I am, however, under obligation to accept that you have the right to have your beliefs.
1-Have I ever asked you to change your beliefs?
If so where,and if so I apologize.
2-Whether or not you accept my beliefs is beside the point,what truly matters is recognizing that I have the right to have them just as I recognize the right for you to have your beliefs.
You can criticize and ridicule my beliefs all you want if I am stating my beliefs as FACTS without providing the evidence to back that claim.
I have stated this numerous times before and I will state this again:
The best that any scientist can say is that "as best as we as a human being can understand and interpret the evidence we are able to observe it is our best guess that this is what the experiment appears to prove or disproves on THIS planet and at THIS moment".
The phrase "Anything is possible" is a central creed to both Taoism and Discordianism (both of which I subscribe to) and it is a phrase I fully believe.
So I really don't know what more you want?
I also believe that we as a species will travel to other planets and may discover other lifeforms,and may discover regions of space or even other universes where the Laws of Physics are different.
So what.
Until we do so we humans have to work with what we have at this moment on this planet.
And even if tomorrow we discover evidence that totally proves that a theory that is accepted today is totally wrong,so freaking what.
Either scientists accept the evidence as it it and accept a new scientific paradigm and explore it's implications,or continue to cling to the old model and risk being labeled a crackpot and a laughing stock.
Now on to your next post (# 85)
already answered that.
See above
"Now if you wish to define "God" the way I and plenty of other Taoists view "God" as "being every particle and force in the universe being interconnected and influencing every other particle and force in the Universe (and possibly an infinite amount of Universes) throughout time and space (thus the Taoist and Buddhist saying "All Is One") in a way that we do not quite understand at this moment,that contains both intelligence and life within it, obeying a set of fundamental rules that we are only just beginning to discover, then yes there is plenty of evidence to support that."
If any one here has ridiculed you for your beliefs on this forum they are wrong to do so and they should apologize.
And no one on this thread had stated otherwise.
If anyone on this thread is telling you what to believe, (which they have not) then they are wrong to do so.
And I have already stated that Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle states that at this moment it is totally impossible for ANYONE to say with 100 PERCENT ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY anything.
The best that anyone has ever offered (including myself) is evidence that we have at this moment.
If you choose not to accept the evidence that is on you.
I really don't know what more do you want.
You want me to say that you are right.
Fine.
You Are Right
You satisfied now?
First- I notice that science is only valid when it suits your purposes.
Second- "Belief in God" and "Evidence That A Being Called God Exists" is two entirely different things.
You stated that you believe that "God" is " A Force" not " A Being".
Why should you care if "God As A Being" is being lumped in with Santa and the Tooth Fairy" unless you are lying about your belief of 'God being a "Force" and not "A Being"
Like I stated before that our beliefs about God are quite similar(unless of course you are lying about your beliefs about God)and that no one on this thread has ridiculed these beliefs or said they are wrong.
To retaliate against someone who posted something that has absolutely nothing to do with you or your beliefs (Atrasicarius' Post #61)
If you take that post as a personal attack on your beliefs then you are being childish.'Wahhh,Wahh,Wahh.
Third You first state"StatingThen Scientific theory is lumpted in with magic tricks or slight of hand or illusions." and then immediately follow it with the statement
"Posters that know science should know scientific law .
For every action there is a reaction."
May I point out that the statement "For every action there is a reaction"is itself a scientific theory.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't say scientific theory is lumped in with slight of hand and then use a scientific theory to try to prove your point when it suits your purpose.
That's very childish to do so,wahh,wahh,wahh.
Finally I am 50 years old,hardly a kid.
Please state the name of the person who has done so and the numbered post they said it on.
That's all I and everyone else on this thread has been saying also.
But you don't seem to want to accept that.
What more do you want.
" A difference that makes no difference is not a difference"
"A Theory that provides no observable evidence is not a theory,it is a hypothesis"
Intelligent design is not a scientific theory.
As plenty of people on this thread have said,Intelligent Design provides no evidence to back it up,so it is rejected as a theory.
I have, and the post that I missed of your's I already admitted to,apologized for,and answered above.
Finaly got through oplogies for any thing said out of content.
Iwill humbly retract anything from my last post for I was wrong, I made a mistake
However I did not lie I tried 5 times to respond yesterday tat is true.[/QUOTE]
Apoplogies accepted,don't do it again.
Now on to your post 87
Stop trying to be cute and funny,you are not very good at it.
This is a very underhanded tactic you are trying to pull and I am not going to stand for it or fall for it.
This is a debate on a internet forum not a criminal court.
I am not on trial,and you are not the prosecuting attorney.
I am under no obligation to answer the question in the way you wish it to be answered.
Now MY answer to this questian,and I will size it up for you so that everyone can see
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIST ON THIS PLANET SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO STATE EXACTLY WHAT RESEARCH IS GOING ON AT THIS VERY MOMENT.
AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO USE CHEAP TACTICS LIKE THIS AND OTHERS YOU'VE BEEN USING THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE THREAD I AM GOING TO ASK EVERYONE TO BOYCOTT YOUR POSTS ON THIS THREAD.[/QUOTE]
You had me going for awhie there, but lets look closer.
First of all YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY I'M RIGHT OR WRONG OR IN BETWEEN.
I take it you are an adult and an indivividual are you not?
First go back through the post on this thread , how many hasn't been about science
Scince is only valid when it suits my purpose?
THAT IS BULL**** FOR SCIENCE NO MATTER HOW YOU TWIST IT OR WORD IT EXIST AND ON THIS FORUM I'VE ANSWEERED MORE THAN MY FAIR SHARE OF SCIENTIFIC THEORYS, .
You forget a couple ofl details, the name of the thread for one thing the discussion of the post for the other.
You pay ing attention I believe that God is a force like a wind or fire or a surf.
I'm not going to explain that to every new athiest I meet so I'll just say God.
I have been retaliateted against as well from other posters I was not talking to remember Atri- what's his name
What's sause for the goose ?
Well if you are as you say 50 you should know if one slanders a belief there will be retaliation and since this poster has dragged you into it I'd like to know why?
What he get you as a defence attorney
I can say that scientific theory ican be lumbed with magic slight of hand just as easily as your boy can say god is lumped with Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy.
That is called a reaction to an action scientific theory remember?
You know I told myself that statement would cost me try to ask fir somebody to be cilvil is definatly a sign of weakness.
Oh well, NO MORE MR. NICE GUY.
Finally mentioned Intelligent Design huh?
NOT BEING CUTE ASKING A QUESTION.
IS EVERY AVENUE AND EVERY POSSIBILITY BEING EXPLORED?
That's a yes or no questionif you need help I can provide a guide.
You need not boycott my post if more that twenty poster ask me t leave I will leave .
Then you can have a forum full of people that say YES, I AGREE, YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. YEAH .
But I thought this was DEBATE forum not YES MAN forum?
Oh FYI try just try to make your post shorter
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