atrasicarius
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Valid points you have there, except that an infinite universe isn't accepted because by science we are led to believe that it had a start point 13.7 billion years ago. Also, our universe could not have arisen on "natural principles" because before the universe was created, there weren't any natural principles to begin with. The only way that would tie in today or be proven is if we could create a true vaccum (remove all light, matter, gas etc.) and another universe came into being from within it. Even within a true vaccum I'm not sure that would totally mimic what was before the universe.
Although our universe may have come from another universe/dimension. I am not so closed-minded as to believe we are the only universe/dimension that is possible. But that raises the question of course of where did THAT universe come from? Another thought is, who are we to say what those other universes/dimensions are? Do you honestly believe if we somehow stumbled into another universe or dimension that it would be anything CLOSE to this one? And how do we know those other dimensions aren't heaven and hell? I know that for most people, we view earth as in the middle of heaven and hell, because you "ascend" into heaven and "descend" into hell. But they certainly aren't in this dimension. That would be like implying we could just blast a rocket up to heaven. Whether or not you believe heaven exists or not, that thought is laughable. So even with Occam's razor saying that a multi-dimensional/universe existense is simpler and more acceptable than an infinite creator (although I'm not sure how it is, we have no "scientific" evidence of either) it is still possible our universe did come from another dimension, but that this dimension be the heaven/creator (in some form) that most religions speak of.
There are a lot of ideas that suggest we're just part of an infinite multiverse, or an infinite cycle of universes. That's what I'm talking about when I say infinite. This particular universe began 13.7 billion years ago, but there may be others. To me, that seems like a more reasonable assumption than invoking some kind of god.