IF vaccinations work........

[Ginger Ale]

Are you a socialist who imagines that when a state, municipal, city or federal government pays for something, that means it's free?

Only people like you claim it's free. To us it's called pooling our money so that our prices are lower, and everyone can afford it. It's like buying in bulk at Costco. I'm sure you can find a way to understand it. Try some analogies.

 

[Gaius46]

That is a valid point. Trump is 180 degrees opposite of conservative.

Yet its only conservatives who cannot come to grips with basic well known facts. The guy cheats on his wife, pays porn stars for sex, runs up $8T worth of debt, hired Chinese to make stuff he could have had made in America--by Americans, calls people names like a third grader, etc.. etc... And many still worship this despicable pervert. If that doesn't make them morons....you tell me what does that make them? That is the rank and file...

But lets look at the actual people they voted for:

The US House GOP caucus--chocked full of people who identify as conservatives--just ousted one of the most conservative people from it's leadership. They replaced Lynn Cheney with Elise Stefanik. Cheney voted with Trump 95.8% of the time. Stefanik? 89.6% of the time.

Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump

FiveThirtyEight is tracking which senators and representatives agree and disagree most with Donald Trump.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

The reason Stefanik replaced Cheney was because Stefanik buys into the Big Lie. These "conservatives" threw out the voting records over this one matter--whether or not the election was "stolen" and who believes it.

Again...If that doesn't make them morons....you tell me what does that make them?

We’ve basically become a balkanized society when it comes to politics. The great majority of people in both parties will pull the lever for “their guy” regardless of how despicable they are.

I know a lot of Republicans who held their noses when they voted for Trump last time around. Many people who voted for him know exactly what they’re getting but they can’t bring themselves to vote a Democrat.

I’m not a Republican but I often vote Republican and I’m not happy that I was given a choice of Trump or Biden. I voted for Biden, I disagree with him on many policy issues but at least he’s competent. But I would have likely voted for almost any other Republican.

Support for Trump by Republicans i. Congress is I think more a matter of survival. They are scared shitless of his 30% or whatever base - those truly deluded people who Trump actually cares about them.

Republicans in congress aren’t morons. They just have no balls.

 

[Paradoxical]

To me, you have the luxury of not caring or worrying. Enjoy it.
Some of us have to weigh things out because our lively hood requires it.

Some states are on the rise like Alabama, mostly UK variant and a lot of people forgoing vaccinations. That combo will increase cases.

We will see how it turns out. Nobody knows, regardless of how confident they seem today, they can be wrong tomorrow.

Vaccination is a double edge sword, the virus didn't have to mutate as much when nobody had antibodies to it. In that case, distancing and mask wearing did a good job. Now we have a vaccine, but with that the virus will mutate more so that it can get around our immunity. Those who are not vaccinated and not distancing will still end up in our hospitals and worse yet, be part of that death count. Which is as high as it was when this pandemic started to really kick in. We're just used to the numbers now. It's just gone down from the peak.

I have a sneaking suspicion you've been vaccinated tho. I think quite a few have that are embarrassed to say it because of their political agenda. It doesn't fit the narrative.

I most assuredly have not. Nor has my wife or any of my closest relatives. My daughter-in-law in Arizona had it and was miserably sick for 9 days and insisted that her doctor prescribe hydroxychloroquine. Next day she was fit as a fiddle. She is a nurse for elderly people going home to home. Her husband, my son, got it from her. Never went to see the doc, never vaccinated. Keep listening to the fear mongers though. Idiots like Cuomo, Biden, everyone on CNN and MSNBS

 

[Paradoxical]

Only people like you claim it's free. To us it's called pooling our money so that our prices are lower, and everyone can afford it. It's like buying in bulk at Costco. I'm sure you can find a way to understand it. Try some analogies.

I never claimed it was free. Nothing the government does is free. We pay for it and their lazy ass workers.

 

[mrjurrs]

You do know that a vaccination contains the virus they are vaccinating for, right?

"Neither the mRNA (Moderna and Pfizer) nor adenovirus (J&J/Janssen and AstraZeneca) vaccines contain live virus. Each of these contain a single gene from the virus that causes COVID-19. The gene instructs our cells to make the protein, but no other proteins from the virus are made, so the whole virus particles are never present. In this manner, people who were vaccinated cannot shed, or spread, the virus to other people."

Questions and Answers about COVID-19 Vaccines | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

Have questions about COVID-19 and the vaccines? Check out a compilation of dozens of common questions we have received.

www.chop.edu

Now will you get the shot?

 

[rocket88]

Are you a socialist who imagines that when a state, municipal, city or federal government pays for something, that means it's free?

Your premise was that we're getting forced to shell out our own money fir shots. You have been disproved. Be a man and admit you were wrong instead of moving the goalposts.

 

[Paradoxical]

"Neither the mRNA (Moderna and Pfizer) nor adenovirus (J&J/Janssen and AstraZeneca) vaccines contain live virus. Each of these contain a single gene from the virus that causes COVID-19. The gene instructs our cells to make the protein, but no other proteins from the virus are made, so the whole virus particles are never present. In this manner, people who were vaccinated cannot shed, or spread, the virus to other people."

Questions and Answers about COVID-19 Vaccines | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

Have questions about COVID-19 and the vaccines? Check out a compilation of dozens of common questions we have received.

www.chop.edu

Now will you get the shot?

Each of these contain a single gene from the virus that causes COVID-19.

Both of these types of vaccines only introduce a single protein from the virus that causes COVID-19 – the spike protein.

A rare, but potentially dangerous condition, called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome or TTS, has been identified in a small number of people who get the J&J/Janssen vaccine.




This from a doctor:

We need to get about 70 percent of the population vaccinated (or infected with Covid-19​

Thus, when all the scaredy cats get vaccinated and all those who tough it out have gotten it and we reach 70%, please tell me WHY I need the vaccine?

 

[Paradoxical]

Your premise was that we're getting forced to shell out our own money fir shots. You have been disproved. Be a man and admit you were wrong instead of moving the goalposts.

Please link me to my post where I said or implied that.

 

[mrjurrs]

Each of these contain a single gene from the virus that causes COVID-19.

Both of these types of vaccines only introduce a single protein from the virus that causes COVID-19 – the spike protein.

A rare, but potentially dangerous condition, called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome or TTS, has been identified in a small number of people who get the J&J/Janssen vaccine.




This from a doctor:

We need to get about 70 percent of the population vaccinated (or infected with Covid-19​

Thus, when all the scaredy cats get vaccinated and all those who tough it out have gotten it and we reach 70%, please tell me WHY I need the vaccine?

So what? They don't contain live virus, which was your point in the post I refuted. Now you want to ask about why you should get vaccinated after we reach herd immunity. And "a doctor said something (that you don't quote or source)?

Find me a sofa, I'm getting faint...

 

[Paradoxical]

So what? They don't contain live virus, which was your point in the post I refuted. Now you want to ask about why you should get vaccinated after we reach herd immunity. And "a doctor said something (that you don't quote or source)?

Find me a sofa, I'm getting faint...

Splitting hairs is what far left wongers do, so I leave that up to you.

Nut, if I do not take the vaccine, will I have the GENE from the VIRUS???

 

[minnie616]

No scientific testing is needed.
Asymptotic spread is the reason why we could not contain the spread of Covid like we able to contain SARS.

During the SARS outbreak in 2003 there were more than 8000 cases and 800 deaths.

SARS was eventually contained by means of syndromic surveillance, prompt isolation of patients, strict enforcement of quarantine of all contacts, and in some areas top-down enforcement of community quarantine. By interrupting all human-to-human transmission, SARS was effectively eradicated.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Dr Saphier is a radiologist, not a virologist, most famous for the views she expresses on Fox. Say no more for her opinion.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Here I am just a layperson and have been trying to tell all of you, including noonereal, what herd immunity is and means and none of you listen. Hot off the press today, an article confirming what I have been saying. It does NOT mean the number of people vaccinated. WHERE do you folks get this idea from,???

Your track record on herd immunity has not been one that would inspire trust to believe in. However, the numbers are continuing to decrease all over the country, so I am optimistic that this trend will continue. The numbers I am really interested in seeing is contagion/hospitalization rates in the south during the summer and during autumn in the northeast. If those continue trending downward, then we are likely to be well on our way to putting this pandemic behind us.

Dr. Nicole Saphier: COVID-19 and America – the state of emergency is over and it's time to declare it

It's clear that the COVID-19 emergency is over. It is prudent now for our leaders and health officials to allow the country to return to pre-coronavirus activities.

www.foxnews.com

Now I suppose one of you here will claim this doctor doesn't know what she's talking about and idiots like Fausti and Biden know more than her.

I'll research the good doctor to see what her credentials are in terms of epidemiology/virology, since that is not her field at all. Generally, I tend to go to specialists in their fields; much like I would go to an cardiologist for heart issues versus a general practitioner. Lest we forget the last time people thought things were going to be fine after the first surge, and the second surge was worse. The game changer now is the fact a percentage of the population is vaccinated and others have been exposed, so I do agree with her that we are moving in a better direction.

 

[Paradoxical]

Your track record on herd immunity has not been one that would inspire trust to believe in. However, the numbers are continuing to decrease all over the country, so I am optimistic that this trend will continue. The numbers I am really interested in seeing is contagion/hospitalization rates in the south during the summer and during autumn in the northeast. If those continue trending downward, then we are likely to be well on our way to putting this pandemic behind us.


I'll research the good doctor to see what her credentials are in terms of epidemiology/virology, since that is not her field at all. Generally, I tend to go to specialists in their fields; much like I would go to an cardiologist for heart issues versus a general practitioner. Lest we forget the last time people thought things were going to be fine after the first surge, and the second surge was worse. The game changer now is the fact a percentage of the population is vaccinated and others have been exposed, so I do agree with her that we are moving in a better direction.

You know what herd immunity is, and it does not mean that 70% of the people need to be vaccinated. If you had COVID, your chances of being immune to get it are like the chances of catching venereal disease from a toilet seat.

We all need to be honest here. the lucky ones are those who already had it, INCLUDING kids. I am tired of the lies and dancing and prancing and parsing.

 

[Deuce]

If you're afraid, then you should wear The Mask® and you should Social Distance™ and you should spend all your disposable income on handi-wipes and hand sanitizer..

Just because you're afraid of the dark, it doesn't logically follow that I should stay indoors during hours of darkness,

Does your turning off the lights come with a danger to me? You think this comparison is valid? Please admit you think this comparison is valid.

 

[Deuce]

So the chance of a healthy person dying from COVID under 65 is 0. 0003 and you take the vaccine to improve those odds, leaving you as a vaccinated person with a chance of one in TEN million of dying from someone who is not vaccinated and you want me to cry a river?

I’m talking about YOU. You are safer with a vaccine than without. So why skip it?

 

[Deuce]

They fail to mention that not everyone was vaccinated for polio and yet we do not hear of it here in the US anymore. NO ONE was vaccinated for Ebola and it is gone. Has anyone here been vaccinated for the Spanish Flu? If not, why not?

The leftists are control freaks. If THEY do something, they want all to do it. Like Communists and Socialists.

Spanish flu is a strain of influenza. Lots of people get flu vaccines.

Most people got polio vaccines. Herd immunity then essentially eradicated the virus.

 

[Deuce]

So, what are you worried about if I am not vaccinated? Sounds kinda stupid to get vaccinated and think it doesn't work. I don't get it? Are you saying it doesn't work? Have you checked on how many people get vaccinated and die later from Covid? May I see your white papers or evidence the vaccine does NOt work? This is what you're saying, right? You're scared it won't work?

You’re a human being and I want you to be safe.

I also do not want you to pass the virus to others and kill them.

Is this really so ****ing hard to understand? I get that some people lack empathy completely but are you really so devoid of it that you don’t understand the concept?

 

[Deuce]

Each of these contain a single gene from the virus that causes COVID-19.

Both of these types of vaccines only introduce a single protein from the virus that causes COVID-19 – the spike protein.

A rare, but potentially dangerous condition, called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome or TTS, has been identified in a small number of people who get the J&J/Janssen vaccine.




This from a doctor:

We need to get about 70 percent of the population vaccinated (or infected with Covid-19​

Thus, when all the scaredy cats get vaccinated and all those who tough it out have gotten it and we reach 70%, please tell me WHY I need the vaccine?

We’re not getting 70% because there are too many selfish ass people like you.

Do you understand that 70% is an absolute bare minimum and that the more, the better?

 

[Deuce]

Why are right wingers so terrified of a vaccine? It’s a tiny needle. I barely felt it.

 

[Ginger Ale]

I most assuredly have not. Nor has my wife or any of my closest relatives. My daughter-in-law in Arizona had it and was miserably sick for 9 days and insisted that her doctor prescribe hydroxychloroquine. Next day she was fit as a fiddle. She is a nurse for elderly people going home to home. Her husband, my son, got it from her. Never went to see the doc, never vaccinated. Keep listening to the fear mongers though. Idiots like Cuomo, Biden, everyone on CNN and MSNBS

Good Gawd, your daughter is a nurse for the elderly going home to home spreading Covid? Sure, she is. Like a nurse would be so stupid.
So, I'm to believe she was sick as a dog but the day after she took hydroxychloroquine she was fit as a fiddle? OMG, such B.S. you troll out here. I don't believe a word of it or your Holiday Inn couch knowledge.

 

[Ginger Ale]

I never claimed it was free. Nothing the government does is free. We pay for it and their lazy ass workers.

Nobody thinks it's free. What ever gave you the idea liberals think it's free? For all the liberal bashing you do, you should learn what we actually think. You're wrong 100% of the time.

 

[Paradoxical]

I’m talking about YOU. You are safer with a vaccine than without. So why skip it?

I think I already had COVID and am immune, anyway. However, it is declining. With many being vaccinated or already having it, herd immunity kicks in.

 

[Paradoxical]

You’re a human being and I want you to be safe.

I also do not want you to pass the virus to others and kill them.

Is this really so ****ing hard to understand? I get that some people lack empathy completely but are you really so devoid of it that you don’t understand the concept?

Tell me how I can pass it on if I don't have it. Tell me how those vaccinated can get it? Then tell me how someone who already had it can get it from me when I don't have it.

These are important questions and to treat them flip[antly tells me you are just being a controlling SJW

 

[Paradoxical]

We’re not getting 70% because there are too many selfish ass people like you.

Do you understand that 70% is an absolute bare minimum and that the more, the better?

No one knows for sure. Where did the novel Ebola virus go? I hate speculation by those who don't know, including doctors. Herd immunity could be 30%, 40%, 50, 60, 70. It appears to be here already.

MANY maskless states for three months now are having NO problems.