If Obama wins

[jerry7]

Can the GOP survive?

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After Obama won in 2008 James Carville predicted democrat dominance for 40 years. The republicans enjoyed their best ever mid term elections 2 years later. When the polls are adjusted for the expected 2012 turnout they all show the race extremely close or Romney ahead. It is still his election to lose. But issuing press releases and holding press conferences will not do it. He needs to campaign more and put his message out every day in speeches. The press is not fair or impartial and he needs to bypass them as Reagan did. Whatever he wants to talk about put it in a campaign speech or town hall meeting. That and a strong debate performance will win.

 

[Hairytic]

You must be an english or liberal arts major, eh?

The social wing of the GOP needs to go. Fiscal conservatism is a winning argument to the majority of the electorate. Social conservatism turns off more people than it garners and is a horrible optic every election.

I miss typed is all. I got distracted and came back to what I was typing and made a mistake. Big deal. My point is that the far right wing nuts have taken over the party and if the party is to remain a major party, it will have to get rid of the radical right.

 

[Cameron]

Can the GOP survive?

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Of course. The GOP is not going anywhere.

I think the GOP will thrive if it begins to re-align itself with a more big-tent philosophy. Unfortunately, I don't expect that to happen this next cycle. Conservatives will blame Romney, who they will declare to have lost because of his moderate/left-leaning baggage and general wishy-washy-ness. The Tea Party/Ayn Randians will probably grow even more powerful, and will alienate moderates and independents in the process. Nevermind that it was the extremist ideologues that cost Republicans the Senate in 2010, will probably cost them the Senate again this year, and will probably blow the best set-up for taking out an incumbent president in two decades.

In 2014-16, however, I fully expect that a moderate Republican will step up and rally disenchanted independents and moderate Republicans and spearhead a pretty significant victory. And so the cycle will continue, with Republicans becoming the big-tent, practical party and Democrats becoming the extremists, and then back again, forever and ever.

 

[jerry7]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/u...-ban-nearly-all-abortions.html?pagewanted=all

The amendment in Mississippi would ban virtually all abortions, including those resulting from rape or incest. It would bar some birth control methods, including IUDs and “morning-after pills,” which prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the uterus. It would also outlaw the destruction of embryos created in laboratories.

As for an accusation of rape, that doesn’t make someone a rapist. There would need to be a conviction for that. I can’t say if the woman’s story is true or not, but I do know that if Clinton was not convicted of rape, he isn’t a rapist.

I never said Clinton was a convicted rapist. I said accused. And there are plenty of other women who came forward and claimed Clinton assaulted them. If you don't remember all it takes is a Google search. It is beyond ironic though that the democrats while accusing republicans of a war on women resorted to such a predator to give the speech at their convention that nominated Obama. Extremely extreme.
Morning after pills and IUDs are classified as abortaficents by the Catholic Church. Their religious rights are being violated by the Obama administration. Obama and his administration do not respect the Constitution.

 

[Tigger]

But my question is on the republican party. If Romney cannot beat obama will the GOP die off and be replaced by some combination of conservative and tea party people? I think thats a real possibility.

I'm not so sure it will DIE as it will SPLINTER. You'll see two or three smaller, more focused parties and one large blob of people who vote Republican because everyone in their family always has come out of it. That blob will still probably be called the GOP.

 

[Hairytic]

I never said Clinton was a convicted rapist. I said accused. And there are plenty of other women who came forward and claimed Clinton assaulted them. If you don't remember all it takes is a Google search. It is beyond ironic though that the democrats while accusing republicans of a war on women resorted to such a predator to give the speech at their convention that nominated Obama. Extremely extreme.
Morning after pills and IUDs are classified as abortaficents by the Catholic Church. Their religious rights are being violated by the Obama administration. Obama and his administration do not respect the Constitution.

I'm not a fan of Clinton, but bringing up accusations over a decade old shows hatred toward Clinton and or the Democratic party. That shows me you are an emotional thinker. I don't know what the Catholic Church has to do with the GOP attempting to ban birth control for all Americans. Obama hasn't shown any disrespect for the constitution.

 

[justabubba]

Can the GOP survive?

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of course it will
the two parties are different sides of the same coin
who attends a ball game to watch one team 'play'

the GOP survived the ignominy of that dick nixon
the republicans remain strong after the stupidity of dicknbush
hell, they will likely retain control of the house after 11/06

this thread topic seems to be implied conjecture that is more than a little foolish

 

[Schweddy]

Can the GOP survive?

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Romney hasn't a snowball's chance. Expect it; brace for it.

About the GOP - will it survive? Absolutely! Our state laws dictate it as such. Will it be the Rove neo-conservatism that is at the helm today? Nope.
Libertarian ideas are very popular; just not the word. Many many younger libertarians and old fashioned Taft conservatives are silently taking over the party from the inside. Congressional districts all over the country have new blood. States have leaders that have risen to the top in 4 short years. The current Republican establishment took over the "tea party" 4 years ago. It won't happen again. People are waking up all over the country and finally a courageous few are doing something about it.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Survive? Yes.
Be hurt? Yes.
Is it dying? Yes.

 

[Bobcat]

Romney hasn't a snowball's chance. Expect it; brace for it.

About the GOP - will it survive? Absolutely! Our state laws dictate it as such. Will it be the Rove neo-conservatism that is at the helm today? Nope.
Libertarian ideas are very popular; just not the word. Many many younger libertarians and old fashioned Taft conservatives are silently taking over the party from the inside. Congressional districts all over the country have new blood. States have leaders that have risen to the top in 4 short years. The current Republican establishment took over the "tea party" 4 years ago. It won't happen again. People are waking up all over the country and finally a courageous few are doing something about it.

latest polls have romney up 47/45. the debates will decide it.

 

[jerry7]

I'm not a fan of Clinton, but bringing up accusations over a decade old shows hatred toward Clinton and or the Democratic party. That shows me you are an emotional thinker. I don't know what the Catholic Church has to do with the GOP attempting to ban birth control for all Americans. Obama hasn't shown any disrespect for the constitution.

Back to the old "criticism or disagreemment equals hate" argument? That means you have no credible rebuttal. In a campaign where we have been told that an accusation of a forced haircut given by Romney 50 years ago, or putting a dog in a kennel on the car roof 35 years ago are relevant, you're now saying that a history of allegations of forcible sexual assault are irrelevant? As long as the accused is a democrat? And I'm an "emotional" thinker? LOL.
The fact that the Catholic Church considers the morning after pill and IUD abortafacients would clue the densest person that there is a wide range of opinion as to whether they are to be considered birth control or abortafacients. If they are argued to be abortafacients the fact that the administration is forcing the Catholic Church to pay for their distribution to their employees violates their constitutional rights under the first amendment.

 

[Tigger]

Is it dying? Yes.

Yep. Mostly because it does not actually provide a counter-point to the Democratic Party. Pretty soon those two entities will end up merged together to form a Centrist Party while a new party of actual Conservatives rises to take the place of the GOP and either a new Party or an invigorated Green/Socialist Party will emerge to replace the Democratic Party.

 

[Schweddy]

latest polls have romney up 47/45. the debates will decide it.

Polls are bought and paid for. Last week they had Obama up by 11 points.

 

[Hairytic]

Back to the old "criticism or disagreemment equals hate" argument? That means you have no credible rebuttal. In a campaign where we have been told that an accusation of a forced haircut given by Romney 50 years ago, or putting a dog in a kennel on the car roof 35 years ago are relevant, you're now saying that a history of allegations of forcible sexual assault are irrelevant? As long as the accused is a democrat? And I'm an "emotional" thinker? LOL.
The fact that the Catholic Church considers the morning after pill and IUD abortafacients would clue the densest person that there is a wide range of opinion as to whether they are to be considered birth control or abortafacients. If they are argued to be abortafacients the fact that the administration is forcing the Catholic Church to pay for their distribution to their employees violates their constitutional rights under the first amendment.

The language you used was clearly hateful and not just basic criticism. I don't agree with using decades old information to bash someone with it. I was just as against the Democrats using GW Bush's youthful indiscretions against him. During a election year, thee will be plenty of people throwing mud in all directions. I would just rather leave those things out of it and look at evidence that help me understand why kind of leader the candidate will be.

 

[randel]

he wont win.. but our country will be quickly sliding toward France and the USA that was the world beacon will be gone and all freedom loving people will be in peril.. the Jihad will go into a more active and violent period..

the GOP will survive as Liberalism is a failure

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol....good grief

 

[Bobcat]

Polls are bought and paid for. QUOTE]

on that we agree.

 

[Diogenes]

But my question is on the republican party. If Romney cannot beat obama will the GOP die off and be replaced by some combination of conservative and tea party people? I think thats a real possibility.

The GOP will not die off, but it must evolve. The up-and-comers are pretty impressive - Ryan, Haley, Jindal, Martinez, and others - and will eventually rise past the old bulls like McCain. The Dem stereotype of country club Republicans may have been valid in 1929, but we're long past that now. Likewise the stereotype of Democrats being the party of the working man may have been valid in the time of FDR, but that time is long gone. In fact, it is amazing the extent to which the parties have changed places in the last 50 years. The trick is to find a spokesperson (like Reagan) who can carry that message to the people across the static of a biased media.

 

[Bobcat]

The GOP will not die off, but it must evolve. The up-and-comers are pretty impressive - Ryan, Haley, Jindal, Martinez, and others - and will eventually rise past the old bulls like McCain. The Dem stereotype of country club Republicans may have been valid in 1929, but we're long past that now. Likewise the stereotype of Democrats being the party of the working man may have been valid in the time of FDR, but that time is long gone. In fact, it is amazing the extent to which the parties have changed places in the last 50 years. The trick is to find a spokesperson (like Reagan) who can carry that message to the people across the static of a biased media.

I hope you are right, and I hope we find another Reagan. Sadly, elections today are popularity contests. They could have the election on american idol and let everyone call in their votes based on who can sing and dance the best. We live in a sick society, my friend.

 

[Diogenes]

I'm not a fan of Clinton, but bringing up accusations over a decade old shows hatred toward Clinton and or the Democratic party.

Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.

That shows me you are an emotional thinker. I don't know what the Catholic Church has to do with the GOP attempting to ban birth control for all Americans.

The GOP is not attempting to ban birth control for anyone. The GOP does not think the taxpayers should provide birth control for anyone.

Obama hasn't shown any disrespect for the constitution.

Yes he has.

 

[joko104]

Can the GOP survive?

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If Obama wins, the next President will be a Republican. If Romney wins, the next president will be a Democrat. Things are not going to get better the next 4 years.

 

[AreteCourage]

The GOP will evolve after these elections.

I believe they are already preparing for a 2016 run because Romney is about as unreliable as it gets in a candidate (see John Kerry).

There is a growing Libertarian group within the GOP that is growing. I believe in 2016 the nominee for the GOP will be Rand Paul. He has already got on the good side of the establishment GOP and appeals to the Ron Paul Libertarians. He will have that foot hole that his father didn't by getting support from these establishment Republicans.

They have no other choice but to evolve with a changing electorate.

 

[Hairytic]

Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.

The GOP is not attempting to ban birth control for anyone. The GOP does not think the taxpayers should provide birth control for anyone.

Yes he has.

Do you have evidence that Obama disrespects the constitution?
The GOP has been puting forth personhood bills which would ban some types of birth control. They also want to ban abortions without exception. I disagree with their clear obsession with what they are doing.

 

[TheNextEra]

If Obama wins, the same thing will happen as if Romney wins. The debt will go up, unemployment will go up, and the economy will still be at its knees with China. Yaaaay two party system!

 

[Mithros]

Can the GOP survive?

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The challenger is expected to lose against an incumbent president. That's one of the reasons why many of the better GOP candidates sat this race out. Were it just that, the GOP would be fine. The Democrats ended up in a far better position after 04 than they would have had Kerry won.

The real question is can the GOP survive the GOP? Virtually every demographic trend is trending away from both the GOP and their message. Yet the base and the grassroots exist in a self imposed bubble. Every rational strategist is pushing for a moderated message, but the base insists on even MORE conservatism.

Regardless of how you feel about him as a president, Obama is a tough politician to best. But... not in Republican base-land. In that bubble, Obama switches between an evil communist overload and a bumbling idiot. They feel that an empty suit can trounce Obama by just mouthing a few feel good go America lines, and then blame the suit when it doesn't pan out that way.

The GOP should have considered themselves to have a below average shot at taking the presidency and an above average shot at the senate. Instead, they severely underestimated the challenges of both and are now are unlikely to take either. Worse yet, instead of reaching out to moderates and independents, they're now forming a circular firing squad.

 

[Bobcat]

If Obama wins, the same thing will happen as if Romney wins. The debt will go up, unemployment will go up, and the economy will still be at its knees with China. Yaaaay two party system!

wow, a rare moment of agreement. however, I do think it will be worse under a second obama term, for no other reason than he would not have to worry about being reelected.