If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42]

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

So...What was the last Republican dominated congress to shrink the size of government?

Actually Congress does not control the govt. there are 2 other branches plus the media and electorate. You can assume if enough wanted the govt to shrink it would do so immediately!! Now do you understand? 1+1=2

 

[cabse5]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

I don't know whether to poke the original poster for his terrible understanding of political liberalism or the fact that making a political ideology or orientation illegal was antithetical toward the Founders' understanding of proper governance.

Whatever the case, I shall laugh at the stupidity displayed here.

Yeah, I previously pointed out to the OP that Hitler being a part of the Nazi party - the national socialist German Worker's party - didn't mean he or the Nazis were liberal even though socialist was in the acronym of Nazi.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

so that means all liberals are like Lincoln and not not like Hitler Stalin and Mao and 10,000 others ????????????????

I'm only pointing out how silly your claims are...and yeah, they ARE silly. Calling Hitler, Stalin, and Mao liberal because they have that "socialist" moniker is like calling North Korea a democratic republic because its name is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea. In other words, just because a word is in a name doesn't mean that name defines that word.

 

[yankintx]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

I assume only that he's a lefty communist who should be expelled or jailed for being opposed to the most basic principle of America

Expelled how? No natural born American can be stripped of there citizenship. This is my last post in this thread as you lack the basic idea of civics and the 1st Amendment, it would be pointless to continue.

 

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Thats an older form of socialism. These days many socialists see a use for regulated capitalism.

of course first they spied for Stalin then became Democrats then liberals then progressives and now socialists to regulate capitalism even though the old form of socialism slowly starved 120 million to death? How odd that they would gravitate to the greatest death machine in all of human history.

 

[Geoist]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42

My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

"Too much government" what does that even mean? Even libertarians argue amongst each other about how much government is too much or too oppressive.

You know what is truly oppressive? CONSERVATISM.

Conservatism opposed Enlightenment ideals
Conservatism opposed the Scientific Revolution
Conservatism opposed women's rights
Conservatism opposed ending slavery


Conservatism as a whole is fueled by fear and megalomania. It may "evolve" in some ways with the times, but the goal is always the same: to stop human progress.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

of course first they spied for Stalin then became Democrats then liberals then progressives and now socialists to regulate capitalism even though the old form of socialism slowly starved 120 million to death? How odd that they would gravitate to the greatest death machine in all of human history.

again, thats an older form of socialism. Very few modern socialists want a planned economy

 

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Expelled how? No natural born American can be stripped of there citizenship. This is my last post in this thread as you lack the basic idea of civics and the 1st Amendment, it would be pointless to continue.

you can't be expelled for being a communist but if you try to take over the govt or hold office you should be expelled on Constitutional grounds.

 

[yankintx]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Yeah, I previously pointed out to the OP that Hitler being a part of the Nazi party - the national socialist German Worker's party - didn't mean he or the Nazis were liberal even though socialist was in the acronym of Nazi.

I too have had the exact same conversation with the OP, obviously we wasted out time as he is still spouting the same inaccurate line.

 

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

again, thats an older form of socialism. Very few modern socialists want a planned economy

Actually Bernie has come out wanted govt to own major industries!! What planet have you been on?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

actually the govt they made was 1% the size of todays on a per capita inflation adjusted basis. Sorry to rock your world.

And check the GDP. Even adjusted for inflation, how big was their GDP compared to America's today?

Guy, you're arguing AGAINST success. The New Deal was passed over 80 years ago. If liberalism was a sure path to the economic dustbin of history, then America would already have devolved to third-world status. But instead, over 80 years AFTER the New Deal, we're the richest and most powerful nation in human history.

If you're going to make the case of how terrrrrrrrrrrible liberalism is, you really need to explain 'xactly how it is that liberalism is so bad even though strongly-socialist nations - which includes ALL first-world democracies INCLUDING America - are the most economically-successful group of nations in human history.

 

[Geoist]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

I assume only that he's a lefty communist who should be expelled or jailed for being opposed to the most basic principle of America

Except, he is not a communist by definition. That is like saying Trump is a fascist. Sometimes you people really want to believe your own hyperbole.

Btw, do you wish to kick out the KKK, neo-nazis, and other hate groups, as well?

 

[cabse5]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Or think that liberalism is bad when at the same time quoting Jefferson and Madison espousing the virtues of liberty.

It's incredible, but certainly not surprising.

Jefferson was for liberty while he was diplomat to France but once he became Secretary of State and later president he was for bigger government. Jefferson was for less republican government as he took on more responsibility as an official of the US government.

His pal Madison went in the opposite direction. Firstly, federalism and then more libertarian ideals.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Lets take your first example. Lib socialists steal 15% of your life time income and give you back dog food money if you live long enough to collect a penny!! when if saved in private accounts it would be worth $1.4 million!! Liberals are brainwashed and will not think on their own!

Why don't you do some actual RESEARCH and find out the level of poverty among seniors before and after Social Security was passed...and then get back to me.

But you won't do it. Why? Because even if you spent five minutes Googling how the poverty level among seniors changed, you haven't the intestinal fortitude to come back and admit that yeah, you were flat wrong, that seniors ARE as a whole a heck of a lot better off today than they were before SS was passed.

 

[Geoist]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Thats an older form of socialism. These days many socialists see a use for regulated capitalism.

His picture of "socialism" isn't even accurate for its time as many socialists of the 19th and early 20th centuries were also anarchists and libertarians.

 

[Henrin]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

You laugh at "free public schools". Yes, the taxpayers pay for them...but if you're a parent and had half a clue as to how much private schools cost, you won't gripe.

:lol: You do realize private school is on average cheaper per student, right? All you're talking about is transferring the cost to a wider amount of people and then declaring stupid crap like it's free.

How did tobacco companies kill people? Same way that drug dealers do - "here, try this, it's great!" And once you're addicted, unless you're one of the relatively few who can kick the habit (most can't, since it's more addictive than cocaine), chances are you are going to live a significantly shorter life thanks to that addiction. I watched tobacco kill my mother, my brother, and my uncle...and in each case, the cause of death was DIRECTLY related to the decades they'd been smoking.

So people make the decision to use the product and then continue to go out and buy the product. So basically, you're shifting blame.

"paying people for not doing anything"? You obviously haven't raised kids, and you're sure as heck not a mother.

Obviously as a man I'm not a mother. I am however a father of fifteen year old girl. So anyway, what does that have to do with unemployment insurance again? Oh right, nothing.

 

[Casper]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Yeah, I previously pointed out to the OP that Hitler being a part of the Nazi party - the national socialist German Worker's party - didn't mean he or the Nazis were liberal even though socialist was in the acronym of Nazi.

You are just going to confuse them with that.

Heck I am still trying to find where Bernie supposedly said he was a communist, a Socialist yes but Socialists and Communists are not really the same thing. I really need to stop listening to some of the nonsense posted here, I feel dumber for just have read it.

 

[cabse5]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

I too have had the exact same conversation with the OP, obviously we wasted out time as he is still spouting the same inaccurate line.

Socialist must be a really big red flag word for him.

 

[Henrin]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Why don't you do some actual RESEARCH and find out the level of poverty among seniors before and after Social Security was passed...and then get back to me.

But you won't do it. Why? Because even if you spent five minutes Googling how the poverty level among seniors changed, you haven't the intestinal fortitude to come back and admit that yeah, you were flat wrong, that seniors ARE as a whole a heck of a lot better off today than they were before SS was passed.

So teenagers, you know the opposite side of the equation, why do seniors find it desirable to feed off their grandkids?

 

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Why don't you do some actual RESEARCH and find out the level of poverty among seniors before and after Social Security was passed...and then get back to me.

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actually poverty would be a whole lot less if folks retired with a $1.4 million estate rather than the dog food money they get now from SS. Do you understand?

 

[yankintx]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Socialist must be a really big red flag word for him.

Perhaps the poster is a reincarnated Joe McCarthy

 

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Socialist must be a really big red flag word for him.

but only because it slowly starved 120 million to death

 

[cabse5]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

but only because it slowly starved 120 million to death

What about capitalism and, lets say as an example, the 1880s?

 

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

but Socialists and Communists are not really the same thing.

thats true socialism according to its inventor, is a transitional phase on route to communism

 

[James972]

Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

What about capitalism and, lets say as an example, the 1880s?

capitalism slowly starved more than 120 million to death in 1880's????????????