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If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42]

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

You mean, it was meant to be liberal.

Interesting.

Can someone get these newbies some books to read?

and what would they learn from books you want them to read???
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Certainly Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and 100 other recent imitators should have been enough to demonstrate to us that big liberal central govt does not work and is very very deadly. Our Founders based our county on this principle without having seen Hitler Stalin and Mao. We have seen them and still don't know to make liberalism illegal as our Founders intended. What is wrong with us?


Here are some quotes from Jefferson and Madison to introduce libsocialists to the basics of American History:

Thomas Jefferson:
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison

Jefferson:
History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is.

I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

Always amusing to watch someone call Hitler a Liberal and then claim that they are qualified to define the evils of Liberals.:roll:
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

and what would they learn from books you want them to read???

Oh, how about that Hitler was not a Liberal.....................
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Always amusing to watch someone call Hitler a Liberal and then claim that they are qualified to define the evils of Liberals.:roll:

Hitler increased the size of government, so to some who don't actually understand the conservative/liberal spectrum, that is all the evidence they need.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

no they were responding to government in general , not monarchy.

So a former British colony, who separated from Britain and infamously wrote of its need to break away from the Crown in order to secure the basic liberties granted to every human being were not responding directly to monarchy? That's beautiful.

if it was the Democratic party why was it called the Republican Party and why did it stand for very very tiny govt exactly like the modern Republican Party? Isn't thinking fun?

Because at the same time that the Democratic Republican Party was being fashioned, a rival party was also being created, the Federalist Party.

Federalist Party---Destruction after 1812--> "Era of Good Feelings"--->Whig Party--->The Republican Party.

Lastly, political parties change significantly in their platforms over the generations.

and what would they learn from books you want them to read???

Mostly, they would know what they are talking about.

Any other stupid questions?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Hitler increased the size of government, so to some who don't actually understand the conservative/liberal spectrum, that is all the evidence they need.

actually our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin!! And Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the USSR! and Obama had 3 communist parents and voted to left of Sanders . What does that teach you? When McCarthy asked the liberals if they were communists they took the 5th. Do you know why?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

So a former British colony, who separated from Britain and infamously wrote of its need to break away from the Crown in order to secure the basic liberties granted to every human being were not responding directly to monarchy? That's beautiful.

actually what is beautiful is that I gave you their quotes and you are pretending I didn't?? What does that teach you?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

actually what is beautiful is that I gave you their quotes and you are pretending I didn't?? What does that teach you?

It teaches me plenty. I read your quotes. I early came with the realization that you don't know what any of them mean.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Because at the same time that the Democratic Republican Party was being fashioned, a rival party was also being created, the Federalist Party.

Republican Party was formed in 1793 by Jefferson and Madison to stand for even smaller govt than the one proposed by Federalists Adams Washington and Hamilton. There was no Democratic -Republican Party in 18th Century. Want to bet $10,000??
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Certainly Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and 100 other recent imitators should have been enough to demonstrate to us that big liberal central govt does not work and is very very deadly. Our Founders based our county on this principle without having seen Hitler Stalin and Mao. We have seen them and still don't know to make liberalism illegal as our Founders intended. What is wrong with us?


Here are some quotes from Jefferson and Madison to introduce libsocialists to the basics of American History:

Thomas Jefferson:
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison

Jefferson:
History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is.

I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

Hey Alex P. Keaton,

Would you suggest a one party system with no dissenting opinions?

Your youth and lack of critical thinking on this issue are glaring

Feel free to return when you have completed some research on the topic
 
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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

actually our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin!! And Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the USSR! and Obama had 3 communist parents and voted to left of Sanders . What does that teach you? When McCarthy asked the liberals if they were communists they took the 5th. Do you know why?

It teaches me that you have piss poor skills at avoiding logical fallacies.
 

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Would you suggest a one party system with no dissenting opinions?

no I would suggest an intelligent democracy with intelligent debate between conservative and libertarian parties and without the stupid party polluting our democracy.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Republican Party was formed in 1793 by Jefferson and Madison to stand for even smaller govt than the one proposed by Federalists Adams Washington and Hamilton. There was no Democratic -Republican Party in 18th Century. Want to bet $10,000??

Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States | Britannica.com

I don't believe in taking money from bad gamblers. No need to supply the 10,000 dollars. Invest that money in books, instead.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

It teaches me that you have piss poor skills at avoiding logical fallacies.

if so why so afraid to show the logical fallacy??? What doe we learn from your fear?
 

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Democratic-Republican Party | political party, United States | Britannica.com

I don't believe in taking money from bad gamblers. No need to supply the 10,000 dollars. Invest that money in books, instead.

actually a primary source would be needed to win the bet for $10,000, not a liberal secondary source that wished to place the slimy Democrats at the founding? Would you like to bet?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

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Gentle reminder here folks. Let's keep it civil and leave out personal comments.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

no I would suggest an intelligent democracy with intelligent debate between conservative and libertarian parties and without the stupid party polluting our democracy.

What stupid party?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42

Certainly Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and 100 other recent imitators should have been enough to demonstrate to us that big liberal central govt does not work and is very very deadly. Our Founders based our county on this principle without having seen Hitler Stalin and Mao. We have seen them and still don't know to make liberalism illegal as our Founders intended. What is wrong with us?


Here are some quotes from Jefferson and Madison to introduce libsocialists to the basics of American History:

Thomas Jefferson:
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison

Jefferson:
History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is.

I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.



You are seriously comparing Hitler, Stalin and Mao to modern day liberalism? Excuse me, but who in the current crop of liberals worldwide are supporting genocide?

For the record, Hitler's Germany was the most efficient government ever to have been brought forward on the earth, right down to the tattoos for inmates of concentration camps. So you show your ignorance of political science in the first place, and seem to have this idea that the US currently operates a small government. By world comparison the US government impacts more deeply on individuals than many industrialized countries.

If you are hoping to return to the "good old days" of small government, I am afraid you are out of luck, gone are the days when Tom Jefferson ran the country with a staff of 20.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42

What is wrong with us?

Big government is an easy sell. Examples:
• Government will take care of you.
• Government will ensure you have a job, a nice big paycheck, health care, etc, etc.
• Government will keep those undesirable people out.
• Government will make the United States of America the biggest, toughest, strongest nation on Earth, and all the other nations will bow down before us.

Even I have to admit that, yeah, it would be hard to turn down these "free" things.

But it takes real effort to plug in your brain and realize: hey, those things aren't really free - all I'm doing is sending government goons out to take it from someone else and give it to me. And in the long run, running a country like that is a bad idea.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Hitler increased the size of government, so to some who don't actually understand the conservative/liberal spectrum, that is all the evidence they need.

So, Republicans are also Liberals, never thought of that as an accurate gauge.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42

Certainly Hitler, Stalin, and Mao....

You can't be serious.

Comparing liberalism to the ideals of totalitarian dictators? That's just plain stupid.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

actually a primary source would be needed to win the bet for $10,000, not a liberal secondary source that wished to place the slimy Democrats at the founding? Would you like to bet?

You do know most newspaper archives from the period haven't been digitized yet, right? I have the citations, but most are sitting in special collections archives only accessible physically.
 
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