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If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42]

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

So did Ronald Reagan!

yes but he would have been happy to shrink it if there had been enough popular support for doing so. Do you understand?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

So did Ronald Reagan!

Well said

I have yet to receive an answer from Conservatives, who was the last GOP Pres to shrink the size of the Federal Govt? All I get our wishy washy answers with cherry picked stats.

Cannot believe conservatives still fall for that line!!
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

You do know most newspaper archives from the period haven't been digitized yet, right? I have the citations, but most are sitting in special collections archives only accessible physically.

I see you are afraid to take bet. Actually many many primary sources exist from the era.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

I see you are afraid to take bet. Actually many many primary sources exist from the era.

Given that I said most newspapers are in boxes would indicate that they do exist, smart guy.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

no I would suggest an intelligent democracy with intelligent debate between conservative and libertarian parties and without the stupid party polluting our democracy.

Intelligent conversation would include calling the Dems slimy? Practice what ya preach grasshopper
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

Well said

I have yet to receive an answer from Conservatives, who was the last GOP Pres to shrink the size of the Federal Govt? !

sort of a silly question since the presidents don't control the govt in America. Did you know that in America power is divided??
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

sort of a silly question since the presidents don't control the govt in America. Did you know that in America power is divided??

Poor deflect

Whats wrong? Like most neo cons you cant answer because you know the answer, it's ok, you keep swallowing that GOP tag line of smaller government as the folks you vote for do exactly the opposite.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

if so why so afraid to show the logical fallacy??? What doe we learn from your fear?

1. Liberals spying for stalin and/or hitler only proves something about those individuals. - Fallacy of composition (something true of the part does not necessarily mean it is true of the whole)
2. Bernie Sanders honey mooned in the USSR - Faulty Premise - there is no causal link between this statement and your argument.
3. Obama had three communist parents - Faulty Sign (assumption that one event is the reliable indicator of another event). For example, my parents are militant atheists and I was raised as a militant atheist. Today, I have been a Christian for most of my life and I am actually considering converting to becoming Catholic. Just because one's parents are one thing proves nothing about the child.
4. Obama voted to the left of Sanders ... You're going to have to provide some statistics on this one before I believe it.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

So, Republicans are also Liberals, never thought of that as an accurate gauge.

Its what some folks here argued. Its a bit of scorched earth way to argue in my opinion. It puts the person advancing the argument in the position that they never have to take responsibility for any historical events by being for something that never actually existed in all of politics, except for maybe two people that I can think of (jefferson and coolidge).

Libertarians also enjoy that freedom, to argue from the theoretical as well. When all one has is theory, then one can pretend that they are always right.
 

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1. Liberals spying for stalin and/or hitler only proves something about those individuals. - Fallacy of composition (something true of the part does not necessarily mean it is true of the whole)

actually Bernie Sanders let the cat out of the bag by coming out of the closet as an open communist and being widely accepted in the Democratic liberal party. Is their a Democratic who will not vote for this communist if he gets the nomination?

Norman Thomas quotes: Error
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42

Certainly Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and 100 other recent imitators should have been enough to demonstrate to us that big liberal central govt does not work and is very very deadly. Our Founders based our county on this principle without having seen Hitler Stalin and Mao. We have seen them and still don't know to make liberalism illegal as our Founders intended. What is wrong with us?


Here are some quotes from Jefferson and Madison to introduce libsocialists to the basics of American History:

Thomas Jefferson:
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison

Jefferson:
History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is.

I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

They were dictators?
 

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2. Bernie Sanders honey mooned in the USSR - Faulty Premise - there is no causal link between this statement and your argument.

actually Bernie is an admitted communist and widely supported in the Democratic Party and all the Democrats will vote for him if he gets the nomination!!It is not coincidence that he honeymooned in the USSR and wants govt to own basic industries!! Time to wake up!
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

sort of a silly question since the presidents don't control the govt in America. Did you know that in America power is divided??

Oh...so the question should be: What was the last Republican dominated congress to shrink the size of government?

Much easier question for you to answer.

Right?

So...What was the last Republican dominated congress to shrink the size of government?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

actually Bernie Sanders let the cat out of the bag by coming out of the closet as an open communist and being widely accepted in the Democratic liberal party. Is their a Democratic who will not vote for this communist if he gets the nomination?

Norman Thomas quotes: Error
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

Even if Sanders is as you say a communist (which last I checked was legal here in the USA), it's a far cry from him selling secrets to the now defunct USSR. You assume way to much.
 

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3. Obama had three communist parents -

and had communists mentors while he was growing up, and then voted to left of open communist Bernie Sanders, and supports single payer communism
 

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4. Obama voted to the left of Sanders ... You're going to have to provide some statistics on this one before I believe it.

The ratings system -- devised in 1981 under the direction of William Schneider, a political analyst and commentator, and a contributing editor to National Journal -- also assigns "composite" scores, an average of the members' issue-based scores. In 2007, Obama's composite liberal score of 95.5 was the highest in the Senate. Rounding out the top five most liberal senators last year were Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., with a composite liberal score of 94.3; Joseph Biden, D-Del., with a 94.2; Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., with a 93.7; and Robert Menendez, D-N.J., with a 92.8.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

actually Bernie Sanders let the cat out of the bag by coming out of the closet as an open communist and being widely accepted in the Democratic liberal party. Is their a Democratic who will not vote for this communist if he gets the nomination?

Norman Thomas quotes: Error
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

Socialism is not communism ...
 

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The ratings system -- devised in 1981 under the direction of William Schneider, a political analyst and commentator, and a contributing editor to National Journal -- also assigns "composite" scores, an average of the members' issue-based scores. In 2007, Obama's composite liberal score of 95.5 was the highest in the Senate. Rounding out the top five most liberal senators last year were Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., with a composite liberal score of 94.3; Joseph Biden, D-Del., with a 94.2; Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., with a 93.7; and Robert Menendez, D-N.J., with a 92.8.

Do you have an online source I can verify?
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?[W:42

Certainly Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and 100 other recent imitators should have been enough to demonstrate to us that big liberal central govt does not work and is very very deadly. Our Founders based our county on this principle without having seen Hitler Stalin and Mao. We have seen them and still don't know to make liberalism illegal as our Founders intended. What is wrong with us?

My reading of history convinces me that bad government results from too much government.

Big government can't be all bad in the minds of conservatives. It grows exponentially every time we get into a major war (and we all know how much conservatives love war).
 

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Even if Sanders is as you say a communist (which last I checked was legal here in the USA), it's a far cry from him selling secrets to the now defunct USSR. You assume way to much.

I assume only that he's a lefty communist who should be expelled or jailed for being opposed to the most basic principle of America
 

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Do you have an online source I can verify?

why not learn how to google????????????????
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

why not learn how to google????????????????

I am quite capable of googling, however the onus on you.
 

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Socialism is not communism ...

true enough according to Marx it is merely a transition point on the way to communism. Stalin was a socialist and head of USSR!!
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

"Free public schools" :lol:

How did tobacco companies kill people? Did they go out and say, **** you, smoke this **** or else!

Oh, and the idea of paying people for not doing anything. Brilliant.

You laugh at "free public schools". Yes, the taxpayers pay for them...but if you're a parent and had half a clue as to how much private schools cost, you won't gripe.

How did tobacco companies kill people? Same way that drug dealers do - "here, try this, it's great!" And once you're addicted, unless you're one of the relatively few who can kick the habit (most can't, since it's more addictive than cocaine), chances are you are going to live a significantly shorter life thanks to that addiction. I watched tobacco kill my mother, my brother, and my uncle...and in each case, the cause of death was DIRECTLY related to the decades they'd been smoking.

"paying people for not doing anything"? You obviously haven't raised kids, and you're sure as heck not a mother.
 

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Re: If liberalism has proven to be so deadly so recently why is it still legal?

true enough according to Marx it is merely a transition point on the way to communism. Stalin was a socialist and head of USSR!!

Thats an older form of socialism. These days many socialists see a use for regulated capitalism.
 
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