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Ian McCormack - an Atheist - Dead on Morgue Slab - Goes to Hell . . .

douglas said:
Guys, they've tested these "near-death" and/or "revived from dead" experiences. They started hiding stuff on top of lights, shelves, and other "tall" things. Funny enough, even though most of their interviews involve seeing an eagle-eye view of the room or even floating through the ceiling, not one interviewee has been able to describe anything they couldn't have seen from eye-level. There's just no evidence that they have obtained any knowledge from "beyond".

I won't act like I'm not afraid of death, I am, but I've found a lot of peace in the notion that it's an unknown. By definition, you have no idea what's going to happen, so why be afraid of it. Even the atheist idea of "nothing" is still not a completely known experience; I've never died and experienced this "nothing", so how can I know it? I don't. I feel that your death will be defined by your life. Just live a good life and stop worrying about whether you're "right" about death.
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If you were in the process of drifting out of your body, do you really think that you would be noticing what was on the shelves....?
 
Without the equipment to see, you wouldn't know they were there.
 
Juanita said:
They are very credible to those that experience them...
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I'm sure they are, and I don't judge people for finding them credible. I just don't agree with them. And I'm sure that lady that found the virgin mary in her cheese sandwich thinks it a very credible experience.
 
Juanita said:
If you were in the process of drifting out of your body, do you really think that you would be noticing what was on the shelves....?
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All I know is that they haven't. Without evidence or proof, it's not really much of a debate; If we don't need proof to back up what we say, why not just say whatever we want? I am the King of Spain.
 
Juanita said:
How would you explain a woman who was in a bad accident, was comatose in the hospital, her soul/conscienceness leaves her body--she sees herself lying on the bed, surrounded by family, goes out to the hallway, watches and listens to her son and nephew talking, wanders about for a bit, comes back into her body--eventually wakes up to see her mother and stepfather standing by the bed, only the stepfather had transitioned a couple of years before this...Explain how you think that biology played any part of this.....
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Because the brain isn't completely shut off in a coma. At some level, there is still some awareness of ones surroundings. No different than when your brain incorporates the sound of your alarm clock into your dream, causing you to wake up late.
 
douglas said:
All I know is that they haven't. Without evidence or proof, it's not really much of a debate; If we don't need proof to back up what we say, why not just say whatever we want? I am the King of Spain.
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I am a Spiritulist......
 
Surtr said:
Because the brain isn't completely shut off in a coma. At some level, there is still some awareness of ones surroundings. No different than when your brain incorporates the sound of your alarm clock into your dream, causing you to wake up late.
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You need to reread my post, as apparently you didn't comprehend it......
 
Juanita said:
I am a Spiritulist......
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That's cool, opinions and personal labels do not need proof.
There are a dozen people on this forum who question my claim to Libertarianism, but their is no proof that I can give them to prove it. It's just a label, one that even I don't support fully.

I am a me.
 
Juanita said:
You need to reread my post, as apparently you didn't comprehend it......
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I understood just fine. It's not magic, it's a distorted perception caused by an injured brain. You know, the organ that is responsible for how we perceive things by processing information. If that is damaged so is the persons perception of everything. Some schitzophrenics, and people with psychotic disorders experience a lot of bizarre things because of their malfunctioning brains. Should we use their distorted malfunctions as proof that toast can talk, and that the CIA can read our minds with flouride?
 
Surtr said:
I understood just fine. It's not magic, it's a distorted perception caused by an injured brain. You know, the organ that is responsible for how we perceive things by processing information. If that is damaged so is the persons perception of everything. Some schitzophrenics, and people with psychotic disorders experience a lot of bizarre things because of their malfunctioning brains. Should we use their distorted malfunctions as proof that toast can talk, and that the CIA can read our minds with flouride?
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OK, so you are saying that an injured brain caused this woman to see, hear and understand a conversation that is taking place outside of the hospital room and down the hallway? Is this correct?
 
douglas said:
That's cool, opinions and personal labels do not need proof.
There are a dozen people on this forum who question my claim to Libertarianism, but their is no proof that I can give them to prove it. It's just a label, one that even I don't support fully.

I am a me.
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Is this not the thread for Religion and Spirituality? I certainly am not questioning your political affiliation, am I....This would not be the proper thread for that conversation, would it?
 
douglas said:
All I know is that they haven't. Without evidence or proof, it's not really much of a debate; If we don't need proof to back up what we say, why not just say whatever we want? I am the King of Spain.
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Well, you don't have any proof either to back up what you say. Supernaturalism isn't covered by natural laws.
It can't be proven by science. Yet. Who knows maybe in the near future science will be able to.

If we're all blind with no way of knowing what we know now, would you say the sun doesn't exist?
Just because something hasn't been proven to exist doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exists.

You say you're the king of Spain. I say, "yeah, right." :lol:
 
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My mom had a near-death and experienced the light. Like non-believers I was thinking that she could've been hallucinating. Some could've been truly hallucinating....but all of them??

If all these people who'd had similar experiences were hallucinating, or reacting to drugs....why do they have similar hallucinations?

They mostly mentioned about the "light." The peaceful feeling. The warmth.

Someone argued here say that biologically we react differently....if so, why the same, or almost similar hallucinations?
 
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tosca1 said:
Well, you don't have any proof either to back up what you say. Supernaturalism isn't covered by natural laws.
It can't be proven by science. Yet. Who knows maybe in the near future science will be able to.

If we're all blind with no way of knowing what we know now, would you say the sun doesn't exist?
Just because something hasn't been proven to exist doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exists.

You say you're the king of Spain. I say, "yeah, right." :lol:
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The point is that you shouldn't claim it as fact unless you can prove it, or there's someway to prove it.
 
tosca1 said:
My mom had a near-death and experienced the light. Like non-believers I was thinking that she could've been hallucinating. Some could've been truly hallucinating....but all of them??

If all these people who'd had similar experiences were hallucinating, or reacting to drugs....why do they have similar hallucinations?

They mostly mentioned about the "light." The peaceful feeling. The warmth.

Someone argued here say that biologically we react differently....if so, why the same, or almost similar hallucinations?
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I'd guess it's because we all have similar chemicals in our bodies/brains. Also, many of these people have probably heard the story about the light, so it could influence their description.
 
afr0byte said:
The point is that you shouldn't claim it as fact unless you can prove it, or there's someway to prove it.
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You don't need to prove you're the king of spain, I already have tons of evidence NOT to believe it .....
 
Juanita said:
OK, so you are saying that an injured brain caused this woman to see, hear and understand a conversation that is taking place outside of the hospital room and down the hallway? Is this correct?
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If you believe that, I can get you the Statue of Liberty at a good price.

tosca1 said:
That's your opinion.
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Why yes it is. Problem?
 
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afr0byte said:
I never said I was the King of Spain.
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My point was you saying "i'm the king of spain" is difference than giving testemony of an experience ... and I explained why.
 
afr0byte said:
I'd guess it's because we all have similar chemicals in our bodies/brains.
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If that's the case, then everyone should have similar experiences - everyone who died and got resuscitated ought to have had the same experience. Either everyone have had "hallucinations" of lights, or no one should have had that experience.


Also, many of these people have probably heard the story about the light, so it could influence their description.
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Pure assumption on your part.
 
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