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Ian McCormack - an Atheist - Dead on Morgue Slab - Goes to Hell . . .




Perhaps you had a NDE and didn't realize it... Not all NDEs result in seeing the other side. Some are mundane where people see their body lying on the bed, or they float out into the hallway and see and listen to family members, nurses or doctors.. Some see spirit.... so it is a very individual experience..Yes I have been in shock, have suffered dehydration and heat stroke, almost died from a ruptured appendix... I didn't have an NDE, as I understand them, but I did see spirit... I'm glad that you are alive and well...
 
Juanita said:
Perhaps you had a NDE and didn't realize it... Not all NDEs result in seeing the other side.
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That's the problem. If no experience is ever the same, just like no injury is the same. Even if it's the same type of wound, in the same spot, on two different people you will not get the same result because our biological chemistry's are all different. We react differently to things. That doesn't mean it's spiritual, it's biological.

I was injured badly in a car accident. They said when they found me, I was trying to walk away. I lost a lot of blood, and it was the middle of the summer in a very hot and humid climate. I don't remember anyh of it, except being in a grassy ditch, and that there was a tunneling light that turned out to be the walls in the hospital room. It was no spirit, it was just my brain recalibrating itself as it began to regain functionality.
 



Biology has nothing to do with a spiritual experience.....Everybody that is in a serious accident doesn't necessarily have a spiritual experience...Some do, some don't.... Even if you had one, you would probably negate it.... I have and I know others that have also...
 

ORRRR they think they are buying some insurance later in life. Done had their fun now time to think of the soul's retirement. Past a certain age living a more 'christian' life is a lot easier than when dumb young and fulla cu... well you get the idea. As a convert once told me- hey it costs me nothing to believe, and if I am wrong and there is no afterlife then I'm in the same boat as before.

Reminds me of the great robber barons of the Guilded Age- couldn't treat their fellow man with any level of Christian Respect while amassing their fortunes, but as the final curtain drew near suddenly they decided to start trying to buy that stairway to heaven.

I have always viewed the 700 Club antics with a slightly raised eyebrow. By the sound of the story this guy wasn't near a major trauma center but in a rather remote location- the trouble he had even arranging for an ambulance- I seriously doubt anyone could confirm he was brain dead.

The Faithful see these unconfirmed stories as a sign, those on the fence smile and the rest just groan and shake their collective heads.
 

That goes either way: it doesn't necessarily mean it's biological. It could be spiritual.
 

You see, that's the thing with non-believers. They want "proven" miracles - yet by its very definition, miracles are inexplicable and highly improbable events.

The supernatural cannot be explained by natural or scientific laws. Yet.


I just saw on tv news someone who woke up from a coma speaking in tongues - a foreign language!

Apparently there's a name for that phenomenon. Xenoglossy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoglossy
 
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Biology has everything to do with it. The perceptions of everything we experience as human beings are neurological processes. People intentionally distort their perceptions through the use of drugs. A lot of people claim to have had a spiritual experience on hallucinogens, but in reality, they were tripping balls on something that warps the mind's ability to process information.

tosca1 said:
That goes either way: it doesn't necessarily mean it's biological. It could be spiritual.
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I disagree.

tosca1 said:
Student wakes up from coma speaking fluent CHINESE

Read more: Man wakes up from coma speaking fluent CHINESE | The Sun |News
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He studied Mandarin Chinese in school.
 
 
Juanita said:
I don't think so......Out of body experiences can sometimes be confusing, but NDEs are usually vivid, clear and memorable.....
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I don't think that them being vivid makes them credible. Just my opinion.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's simply not true, it's happened a lot. People have been declared officially dead by every medical definition, just to come back.
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Declared dead and dead are two different things.
 
fmw said:
Declared dead and dead are two different things.
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It doesn't really matter. Either an after death experience like this is possible and there's an extreme contradiction of testimonies, or there is no such thing and it doesn't matter anyways.

Either way, this can not be considered a case for god or heaven.
 

Of course it matters. There is no such thing as an after death experience.
 
fmw said:
Of course it matters. There is no such thing as an after death experience.
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That's debatable, as either side can't really prove one way or another. The only factual, logical conclusion you can come to is that this event in the OP doesn't confirm or deny the existence of god or heaven.

In reference to the OP, no, it doesn't matter what you call it.
 
No but it does prove that the guy wasn't dead.
 
tosca1 said:
You see, that's the thing with non-believers. They want "proven" miracles - yet by its very definition, miracles are inexplicable and highly improbable events.

The supernatural cannot be explained by natural or scientific laws. Yet.
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By your definition, a miracle cannot be explained, and are highly improbable. These hallucinations are probable, since they seem to happen to quite a few people, and they're easily explained.
 
fmw said:
No but it does prove that the guy wasn't dead.
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No, we just discussed this. You can't prove he wasn't "dead". If you'd like to present real arguments instead of this childish back and forth "nuh-uh", I'll be here.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, we just discussed this. You can't prove he wasn't "dead". If you'd like to present real arguments instead of this childish back and forth "nuh-uh", I'll be here.
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It is always impossible to prove something is not so. One can only prove that something is so. He wasn't dead because he is now alive. That should be proof enough for anyone.
 




How would you explain a woman who was in a bad accident, was comatose in the hospital, her soul/conscienceness leaves her body--she sees herself lying on the bed, surrounded by family, goes out to the hallway, watches and listens to her son and nephew talking, wanders about for a bit, comes back into her body--eventually wakes up to see her mother and stepfather standing by the bed, only the stepfather had transitioned a couple of years before this...Explain how you think that biology played any part of this.....
 
Did this guy go to hell because he was a atheist or maybe something else he isn't telling us ......
 

DMT? (Dimethyltryptamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
 
Guys, they've tested these "near-death" and/or "revived from dead" experiences. They started hiding stuff on top of lights, shelves, and other "tall" things. Funny enough, even though most of their interviews involve seeing an eagle-eye view of the room or even floating through the ceiling, not one interviewee has been able to describe anything they couldn't have seen from eye-level. There's just no evidence that they have obtained any knowledge from "beyond".

I won't act like I'm not afraid of death, I am, but I've found a lot of peace in the notion that it's an unknown. By definition, you have no idea what's going to happen, so why be afraid of it. Even the atheist idea of "nothing" is still not a completely known experience; I've never died and experienced this "nothing", so how can I know it? I don't. I feel that your death will be defined by your life. Just live a good life and stop worrying about whether you're "right" about death.
 
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