I say we give black people two votes

[Rucker61]

that can be done now without getting rid of the EC. have your state change how they divide up the electoral votes.
you are doing what is called throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I don't think that California and New York would ever change to a process that put their Democratic electoral votes at risk.

 

[Questerr]

that can be done now without getting rid of the EC. have your state change how they divide up the electoral votes.
you are doing what is called throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The system should be uniform, not state by state.

 

[Questerr]

That's what makes The United States so awesome.

How so? The Electoral College has done nothing but perpetuate a two-party system, indirectly lead to a civil war, and on multiple occasions hand the presidency to the candidate the majority of voters voted against.

 

[Rucker61]

You get rid of the Electoral College and it ends the system of all of the votes in a single state going to a single candidate.

That can be changed without changing the EC at all. See Maine and Nebraska.

 

[Rucker61]

The system should be uniform, not state by state.

It's up to each state to decide. If you want that changed at the federal level, amend the Constitution.

 

[Questerr]

That can be changed without changing the EC at all. See Maine and Nebraska.

The system should be uniform.

 

[Questerr]

It's up to each state to decide. If you want that changed at the federal level, amend the Constitution.

No ****. Getting rid of the EC would require amending the Constitution.

A non-Amendment related fix to many of the EC's problems would be to eliminate the arbitrary cap established in 1929 on the size of the House (and thus the size of the EC). Re-establish the ratio of one Rep per 30,000 citizens that existed when that cap was established.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Facts do not care about your feelings. that is your issue. It is a fact that the founding fathers had a rather dim view of a true democracy.
In fact they absolutely wanted to stay away from a democracy as much as possible.

Which is precisely why they chose representative democracy and enshrined it in the Constitution.
Why do you hate the Constitution?

 

[Rawley]

So why don't you just admit that you hold all forms of democracy, including representative democracy, in contempt, so that at least you have SOME honesty and credibility in this abortion of a thread.
Running around with your hair on fire claiming that representative democracy is dangerous and a step to communism, socialism, etc is not working well for you at all.

Wow. Sorry I answer your question about a lefty trying to abolish the EC. Trust me, I won't make the same mistake again.

 

[apdst]

How so? The Electoral College has done nothing but perpetuate a two-party system, indirectly lead to a civil war, and on multiple occasions hand the presidency to the candidate the majority of voters voted against.

We aren't governed by the mob.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Wow. Sorry I answer your question about a lefty trying to abolish the EC. Trust me, I won't make the same mistake again.

Or you could just be honest and admit that you hate democracy of any kind, and would feel far more comfortable living in a country where voting isn't allowed...because voting is democracy.

Yeah, you WON'T make that same mistake again but you will clearly move on to bigger mistakes, and I'll still be here to call you out on them when you do.

 

[ludin]

I don't think that California and New York would ever change to a process that put their Democratic electoral votes at risk.

i agree

 

[ludin]

The system should be uniform, not state by state.

The founding fathers disagreed with you as well they should.

They knew that 1 state's objectives and or views would not be the same as another state.
We are not 1 nation but 50 states united as 1.

did you seriously miss US history class?

 

[ludin]

How so? The Electoral College has done nothing but perpetuate a two-party system, indirectly lead to a civil war, and on multiple occasions hand the presidency to the candidate the majority of voters voted against.

again you are 100% wrong.
I highly suggest going back and taking a US history class again.

 

[ludin]

Which is precisely why they chose representative democracy and enshrined it in the Constitution.
Why do you hate the Constitution?

The question is why do you? I know most leftist hate the constitution because it gets in their way of
government control of people's lives.

The United States is not a democracy — and it wasn't meant to be one | TheHill

educate yourself on the style of government we have and why.
You ignored the last article i sent you but that is just par for the course.
Leftist hate facts that get in their way.

Sorry but Facts do not care about your feelings.

 

[Peter]

??? Would you prefer a system, such as in the UK or Germany, where the political parties or politicians get to choose their country's leader rather than the voters?

Yep.
I'd much rather have our system than the electoral college and the UK PM isn't anything like a US President anyway.
The UK PM doesn't have anywhere near the same powers and can be thrown out much easier.

 

[Questerr]

We aren't governed by the mob.

Pointless soundbite noted.

 

[Questerr]

The founding fathers disagreed with you as well they should.

They knew that 1 state's objectives and or views would not be the same as another state.
We are not 1 nation but 50 states united as 1.

did you seriously miss US history class?

They also thought it was cool for some states to allow people to own other people as property.

 

[Questerr]

again you are 100% wrong.
I highly suggest going back and taking a US history class again.

When has a third part ever won the presidency? Are you denying that the EC didn't indirectly lead to the extremism in politics leading up to the Civil War and that multiple presidents have won the EC but lost the popular vote?

 

[ludin]

They also thought it was cool for some states to allow people to own other people as property.

Not really. again i highly suggest taking a US history class. YOu will find that more than a majority of the founding fathers opposed slavery.
If they would have had their way slavery would have been outlawed in the beginning.

having this discussion with people that have no knowledge of Us history or government is simply impossible.
you are simply throwing crap at a wall trying to go gotcha.

 

[Questerr]

Not really. again i highly suggest taking a US history class. YOu will find that more than a majority of the founding fathers opposed slavery.
If they would have had their way slavery would have been outlawed in the beginning.

having this discussion with people that have no knowledge of Us history or government is simply impossible.
you are simply throwing crap at a wall trying to go gotcha.

The majority of them OWNED SLAVES. They could have given up their slaves but they didn't. The few who did free their slaves, waited until after they died to do so. "I believe you should be free, but I'm going to force you to continue serving me at gunpoint, while raping your women, and enslaving your children, until I am dead and your slavery no longer personally benefits me."

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The question is why do you? I know most leftist hate the constitution because it gets in their way of
government control of people's lives.

The United States is not a democracy — and it wasn't meant to be one | TheHill

educate yourself on the style of government we have and why.
You ignored the last article i sent you but that is just par for the course.
Leftist hate facts that get in their way.

Sorry but Facts do not care about your feelings.

Now all you have to do is excise the parts of the Constitution that deal with voting and elections!
Instead you chose some stupid opinion piece by some guy named Timothy Snowflake because you're incapable of arguing on your own.
The moment I see a phrase like "educate yourself" it's a sure fire bet the person saying it is incapable of educating themselves.
Now show me where in the Constitution it says elections and voting are dangerous and must be avoided.

I ignored the last article because again it talks of direct democracy, which is not what we have here. We have representative democracy just like almost every other constitutional republic in the free world.
So an article blathering about direct or "athenian" democracy is like an op-ed in a bowling magazine about putting lace on bowling balls.
It's never going to happen.
Thus the article in the Union is about as informative to the issue as tits on a bull.

Now go ahead and use that other idiotic phrase: "Do your research"

Section. 4.
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

Section. 5.
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

The 15th Amendment gave African American men the right to vote in 1870. But many weren't able to exercise this right. Some states used literacy tests and other barriers to make it harder to vote.
The 19th Amendment, ratified in 1920, gave American women the right to vote.
The 24th Amendment, ratified in 1964, eliminated poll taxes. The tax had been used in some states to keep African Americans from voting in federal elections.
The 26th Amendment, ratified in 1971, lowered the voting age for all elections to 18.*

*Uh oh, lowering the age to eighteen, sounds like someone really loves democracy enough to make it accessible to even more people.
Given your expertise, maybe you need to go track down all those despicable congress critters and tell THEM "educate yourself!"

 

[Rucker61]

Pointless soundbite noted.

This entire thread is pointless.

 

[Hypothetical]

Yes, if you actually give up your wealth if any and have your skin darkened, just as people can move to a low population state to get that benefit. Of course, your inability to read the OP is another issue.

why would we have to give up our wealth? there are plenty of rich and wealthy black people... Oprah, michael jackson, actors, athletes, CEO's... all over the place.

 

[ludin]

When has a third part ever won the presidency? Are you denying that the EC didn't indirectly lead to the extremism in politics leading up to the Civil War and that multiple presidents have won the EC but lost the popular vote?

again i highly suggest that you go do some research and educate yourself on how our voting system works.
your first question is a non sequitur.

no the EC does not indirectly lead to extremism. People lead to extremism not systems.
because the popular vote doesn't matter.

again having this discussion with someone that has 0 knowledge on the subject is impossible.