I say we give black people two votes

[Craig234]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

<whispers> the inequity is a feature, not a bug for them.

 

[OrphanSlug]

:inandout: (The moment we go down this road we amplify the problem we already have where votes for President have different weights state to state.)

 

[Thom Paine]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

Not the way a Republic operates.

 

[it's just me]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

This is a Republic, it always has been. Democracy is mob rule, which is what the French revolution was. This is what the EC is for, to prevent another French Revolution. But, as always, those who learn from history are doomed to stand by while stupid people repeat history.

 

[TheParser]

Only two votes?

About three?

 

[jotathought]

Only two votes?

About three?

Can I identify as a black male then and cast my 3 votes?

 

[Craig234]

Can I identify as a black male then and cast my 3 votes?

Yes, if you actually give up your wealth if any and have your skin darkened, just as people can move to a low population state to get that benefit. Of course, your inability to read the OP is another issue.

 

[Moderate Right]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

We don't give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes. We have 50 states and all 50 states have popular vote elections to decide who is president. By the way, Wyoming's big bonus is a whopping 3 electoral votes.

 

[aociswundumho]

Yes, if you actually give up your wealth if any and have your skin darkened, just as people can move to a low population state to get that benefit. Of course, your inability to read the OP is another issue.

Note the soft bigotry in the assumption that all black people are poor.

Median household income for blacks in the US is about 41k.

 

[joluoto]

I say you for once give every adult citizen ONE vote, instead of just giving some people the vote.

 

[Phys251]

This is a Republic, it always has been. Democracy is mob rule, which is what the French revolution was. This is what the EC is for, to prevent another French Revolution. But, as always, those who learn from history are doomed to stand by while stupid people repeat history.

Being a republic and being a democracy are not mutually exclusive. You should have learned this simple fact in your high school civics course.

 

[TomFitz]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

Trump is trying to encourage white people to vote twice. He denies it, and then repeats it. A typical Trump pattern.

 

[Mason66]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

Are you still crying about how the country has been electing Presidents for its whole existence?

 

[tacomancer]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

6/5th of a vote for equal to the period of time between the founding of the country and suffrage maybe?

:fueltofir

 

[AmNat]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

It is right and proper for Wyomingites to have more of a day than Californians, since they are a great deal saner. If anything, they should have more of a say in absolute terms.

 

[Perotista]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

55-3 and you think 3 if bigger than 55. What part of the union of the several states are you willing to breakup and dissolve?

 

[WillyPete]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

You have a point, but you're looking at it from the POV of the large states, who lose some power but remain powerful, rather than from the small states, whose choices are a little power or no power.

Unless you think people in the small states don't deserve to have any voice in national politics, then your solution will just makes things worse.

Ultimately, these things were negotiated out a long time ago. If you can build up sufficient support by all means re-negotiate it, but you're going to need to sell your fix to all the states.

 

[it's just me]

Being a republic and being a democracy are not mutually exclusive. You should have learned this simple fact in your high school civics course.

Yes, our elected representatives are democratically elected, that doesn't mean democracy = republicanism, which you should have learned in grade school English.

 

[WillyPete]

It is right and proper for Wyomingites to have more of a day than Californians, since they are a great deal saner. If anything, they should have more of a say in absolute terms.

I wish we had elected one of those neat rock formations in 2016. We'd be in a much better situation today.

 

[Phys251]

Yes, our elected representatives are democratically elected,

Congratulations, you just admitted that we're a representative democracy. :thumbs:

that doesn't mean democracy = republicanism, which you should have learned in grade school English.

We are both a republic and a democracy. These two things are not mutually exclusive, despite your failed attempt to claim otherwise.

 

[ludin]

Not really. But there's a much better case for doing THAT than the electoral system to give an arbitrary group of people inflated votes, who happen to live in less populated states.

It's nothing but cheating put into the law. If you reacted with hostility to the two votes for black people idea, then you should react with even more hostility to the electoral system corruption. The Senate is one thing, where 500,000 Wyomingans get the same say as 40,000,000 Californians, which is like 80 votes per Wyoming voter, but their getting a big 'bonus' vote for president is just wrong.

No one is cheating. YOu are comparing apples and oranges.
each state is giving reps based on population size. The minimum is 1 rep since well you can't have .5 of a rep.

Next each state is given 2 senator's because all states are equal in power and the senate represents the state not the people.

Once again leftist prove they have no clue how our country functions or the basis of how our government works.

 

[ludin]

You have a point, but you're looking at it from the POV of the large states, who lose some power but remain powerful, rather than from the small states, whose choices are a little power or no power.

Unless you think people in the small states don't deserve to have any voice in national politics, then your solution will just makes things worse.

Ultimately, these things were negotiated out a long time ago. If you can build up sufficient support by all means re-negotiate it, but you're going to need to sell your fix to all the states.

These leftist hate fly over country and always have. Why? because they tend to run more conservative.
they tend to not like leftist policies and want to be left alone and live their lives the way they want to.

The way our election system is setup is that you need these 3,4,5 electoral states to win. LEftist don't consider them viable.
however they are vital on winning the election. You can't do it without them.

So in order to silence opposition leftist want to get rid of their voice in voting by claiming it isn't fair.
which is 100% is.

These leftist still don't realize we do not have a national election. We have 50 independent elections for president.
Their lack of education on all things government is simply amazing. it is like they didn't attend any high school US history classes.

 

[Questerr]

Not the way a Republic operates.

The way this Republic is supposed to operate is that the House of Representatives is supposed to grow as population does. It's been arbitrarily capped since 1929.

 

[joluoto]

Being a republic and being a democracy are not mutually exclusive. You should have learned this simple fact in your high school civics course.

I can think of some Republics that aren't also democracies. The People's Republic of China, the Russian Federation, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Arab Republic of Egypt..... you know what, these Republics kinda suck.