I hate iOS 7

[Surtr]

This sucks. I can't get back to iOS 6 and I hate 7. I hate this white background. It gives me a headache.

Same here. 6 was awesome, 5 was good after they fixed the bugs. Even 4 was legit, but 7? If I wanted a zune I'd hop into my time machine and go back to 2007. I like the iPhone because it's simple, and doesn't look like some frilly crap for yappy teenage valley girls. At least it didn't when I got it. Now I just want to chuck it in a river and get a phone with an interface that isn't made to appeal to a demographic who is way too young to be having a $250+ monthly phone bill.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

This sucks. I can't get back to iOS 6 and I hate 7. I hate this white background. It gives me a headache.

You should just switch to android so you can have a real OS.

 

[americanwoman]

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Everything is just stark, and white, and clinical.

I don't like that either and it bothers my eyes too. I just upgraded last night and haven't played around too much but so far I like it but all the white. I tried to invert the colors as someone mentioned but it bothered my eyes more in black.

 

[Threegoofs]

I didnt notice the white at all. In fact, I went back to my ipad (still on iOS 6) to see the difference. It was a light shade of grey, so there is a difference, and I guess its a bit starker.

But this whole discussion kinda reminds me of this great Louis CK interview:

Louis CK- technology — Critical Commons

 

[Zyphlin]

Hackers, real hackers, dont hack to steal, but to find issues. They are on your side.

This is....just not true at all. Like...AT ALL.

Yes, hackers who break the law are criminals...but they're still hackers as well.

Sure, there are white hat hackers who do so singularly to attempt to find issues, help end users, and try not to break any laws. However, there's also a plethora of grey hat types that do break the law and hack for questionable reasons that rarely could be said are dong singularly for the benefit of the end user. And there are a fair amount of black hats as well who absolutely do hack in an illegal fashion for the purpose of helping themselves...be it through financial gains, informational gains, or entertainment games of simply defacing and screwing up the systems of the end user.

Seriously...where in the world did you get a notion that "real hackers" are only the ones that are "on your side"?

 

[PeteEU]

This is....just not true at all. Like...AT ALL.

Yes, hackers who break the law are criminals...but they're still hackers as well.

Sure, there are white hat hackers who do so singularly to attempt to find issues, help end users, and try not to break any laws. However, there's also a plethora of grey hat types that do break the law and hack for questionable reasons that rarely could be said are dong singularly for the benefit of the end user. And there are a fair amount of black hats as well who absolutely do hack in an illegal fashion for the purpose of helping themselves...be it through financial gains, informational gains, or entertainment games of simply defacing and screwing up the systems of the end user.

Seriously...where in the world did you get a notion that "real hackers" are only the ones that are "on your side"?

Simple, if someone points out a massive security flaw then that person should be rewarded not punished. And they can only point out those security flaws by... trying to hack the product. Companies like Apple, Microsoft, various banks and so on have ignored security issues long enough and have only patched stuff because of such hackers pointing things out.... and even then it is not certain that the companies in question will patch their security. Look at Apple and its Safari bug that went unpatched (not even sure it is now) for YEARS despite hackers pointing it out time and time again. Only when the story hit the media and Google was busted using the flaw,.. then there was a reaction.. not on Apple sadly, but on Google of all people. Companies are lax on security and need to be kept on their toes and good hackers and the media need to work together to push the companies into fixing their freaking software.

Now the hackers who hack to steal.. well zero respect for them, they are no different than common thieves.

 

[Zyphlin]

Simple, if someone points out a massive security flaw then that person should be rewarded not punished.

Well that depends...

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and then report it to the company to fix?

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and then report it to the public hoping the company will fix it but also providing information to those who would use it for nefarious reasons?

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and utilize it to screw around for their own enjoyment in a way that will make it apparent to the company/public there's a flaw?

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and utilize it for their own personal gain and attempt to not be found out?

All of those are different means in which hackers may find a massive security flaw and then act upon it. Some instances, I agree, should be rewarded not punished. Others shouldn't be rewarded at all and definitely should be punished.

And they can only point out those security flaws by... trying to hack the product.

I'm going to guess that you mean the only way they can find those security flaws is to hack the product; they can point out the flaws in a whole host of ways. I have no inherent issue with "hacking". I agreed completely, hacking CAN be done for entirely noble and worth while reasons. I had issue with the suggestion that Hacking ONLY is done for good intentions.

Companies like Apple, Microsoft, various banks and so on have ignored security issues long enough and have only patched stuff because of such hackers pointing things out....

Absolutely true. Sometimes those things are pointed out by people who hack, discover the issue, and alert the company. Others are pointed out by people who hack, discover the issue, and take actions to make it publicly apparent to the company there's an issue. Others still are not really "pointed out" by the hacker, but rather in trying to track what/how a hacker did something they become discovered by the company.

Now the hackers who hack to steal.. well zero respect for them, they are no different than common thieves.

Right, but they're still HACKERS. You not having respect for them doesn't change that. My issue, and my post, was disagereing with your assertion that Hackers don't steal and only act to find issues. That's just blatantly not true.

 

[PeteEU]

Well that depends...

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and then report it to the company to fix?

Many do, but since it is only Microsoft and Google that have active programs that make it possible to report, then this option is often not available.

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and then report it to the public hoping the company will fix it but also providing information to those who would use it for nefarious reasons?

There is often no choice. Apple has gotten a very bad reputation of ignoring "hackers" pleas of security flaws and bugs and outright going out of their way to punish them. There is a famous French programmer/hacker who has provided Apple many instances of bugs and security flaws, and after a bit of time he had all his access to Apple cut, including his iTunes and AppleID.

It is worse with banks, who will always deny there is a flaw and try to hush it up.

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and utilize it to screw around for their own enjoyment in a way that will make it apparent to the company/public there's a flaw?

I dont condone this.. although I do understand it as a last resort. The Palestinian programmer that found a massive security flaw in Facebook and Facebook ignored it.. the only way he could get it out there was to hack Zuckerbergs Facebook and point out the flaw. Should he be punished if Facebook ignored him in the first place?

Do they discover the massive security flaw, and utilize it for their own personal gain and attempt to not be found out?

That is a criminal.

All of those are different means in which hackers may find a massive security flaw and then act upon it. Some instances, I agree, should be rewarded not punished. Others shouldn't be rewarded at all and definitely should be punished.

Then we are in agreement.

I'm going to guess that you mean the only way they can find those security flaws is to hack the product; they can point out the flaws in a whole host of ways. I have no inherent issue with "hacking". I agreed completely, hacking CAN be done for entirely noble and worth while reasons. I had issue with the suggestion that Hacking ONLY is done for good intentions.

Never said or meant it that way.

Right, but they're still HACKERS. You not having respect for them doesn't change that. My issue, and my post, was disagereing with your assertion that Hackers don't steal and only act to find issues. That's just blatantly not true.

Again I did not say that.. I distinguished between the criminal hacker and the hacker who likes to find flaws and security holes.. big difference.

 

[Superfly]

Same here. 6 was awesome, 5 was good after they fixed the bugs. Even 4 was legit, but 7? If I wanted a zune I'd hop into my time machine and go back to 2007. I like the iPhone because it's simple, and doesn't look like some frilly crap for yappy teenage valley girls. At least it didn't when I got it. Now I just want to chuck it in a river and get a phone with an interface that isn't made to appeal to a demographic who is way too young to be having a $250+ monthly phone bill.

OK. I have equipment replacement protect (aka insurance) on my phones, right? I have 4 iPhones in my plan, so that's 4 insurance premiums added on to my bill. When I had an android based phone, the insurance was $6.99 a month. With the iPhone, it's $9.99. So that's $40 a month just in insurance on the phones. Now if we drop the phones and need to use the insurance, the deductible on the android phone was $99. On the iPhone? $169.

I have an extra upgrade in January. I think I am going to go back to a Droid.

 

[Zyphlin]

Turning into a rather bad launch if this continues.... will be interesting to see sales numbers on Monday.. if we get any.

If I see anything more specific in my typical perusing of tech sites I'll post it, but here's the first bit I've seen:

Apple sells 9 million new iphones

Apple just set a new all-time record for iPhone launch sales: it reports selling nine million total iPhone 5s and 5c units this weekend, well over the 5 million of the iPhone 5 launch last year. While the company isn't breaking down sales by individual models, it notes that the initial iPhone 5s supply has already sold out. The company also mentioned that more than 200 million devices are already running iOS 7. That's the fastest software upgrade in history, according to Apple

Couple of questions still linger from that. How many are 5s and how many are 5c in terms of the total sold. Comparing two "new" phones to one "new" phone last year in terms of sales isn't necessarily a good measurement. That said, I'd expect the sales of the 5s over 5 to not be the same proportion of the sales of the 4s over the 4 because of the fact they did release a "new" phone along side of it. So that whole thing does murky the issue a bit. Still, that as an early number is hardly a BAD thing it's just not exactly too clear atm.

In terms of the 200 million running iOS 7, we'd need to know the total number of iOS devices to get a grasp for what that adoption rate is. Though the day one adoption rate was apparently 35% which isn't bad.

 

[Zyphlin]

Never said or meant it that way.

You did say it, but if you didn't meant it that way so be it:

Hackers, real hackers, dont hack to steal, but to find issues. They are on your side. As for criminals who exploit the bugs, well they are criminals.

You claimed that "hackeres" don't hack to steal and are on your side. You specifically suggested that those who "exploit the bugs" are something other than Hackers.

Yes, people who break the law are criminals. People who hack are hackers. People who break the law while hacking are hackers AND criminals.

I agree...there is a difference between a criminal hacker (typically a black hat) and those who do it singularly to find flaws and security holes to find issues and be "on your side" (typically white hats). But both are definitely HACKERS, and there are those that hover in the middle (grey hat) that both break the law and do things for their own benefit and enjoyment while at the same time also desire to help see security flaws corrected. I have no issue with you differentiating between the types of Hackers there are....my issue was that it appeared you were trying to claim that those who aren't essentially white hats weren't actually "hackers"


Again I did not say that.. I distinguished between the criminal hacker and the hacker who likes to find flaws and security holes.. big difference.[/QUOTE]

 

[Threegoofs]

OK. I have equipment replacement protect (aka insurance) on my phones, right? I have 4 iPhones in my plan, so that's 4 insurance premiums added on to my bill. When I had an android based phone, the insurance was $6.99 a month. With the iPhone, it's $9.99. So that's $40 a month just in insurance on the phones. Now if we drop the phones and need to use the insurance, the deductible on the android phone was $99. On the iPhone? $169.

I have an extra upgrade in January. I think I am going to go back to a Droid.

Try getting a rider on your homeowners insurance. $20/yr for $5k of computer equipment for me. A little cheaper...

 

[Superfly]

Try getting a rider on your homeowners insurance. $20/yr for $5k of computer equipment for me. A little cheaper...

Well, I thought of that. I actually called my homeowner's insurance a couple of months ago and asked them if I could add a rider for just the phones. They said, "Well, you can but I wouldn't advise it and here's why. Say you drop your phone and we replace it for you. No biggie, right? Then a couple of months down the road, your daughter's phone gets stolen from school. We replace that one for you, too. Then we cancel you because you've had 2 claims within 2 months of each other, and when that happens, you lose your homeowner's insurance, and good luck getting it anywhere else, because you have a lot of claims." I was like, "Yeah, I think I'll stay where I am :lol: . "

 

[PeteEU]

If I see anything more specific in my typical perusing of tech sites I'll post it, but here's the first bit I've seen:

Apple sells 9 million new iphones

You need to take it with a grain of salt and step back and see how Apple does its business. In the US a lot of the traffic goes through Apple stores and carrier Apple stores and a huge portion are heavily subsidised. Now outside the US, most of the sales are through carriers only who are the ones footing the bill on marketing and so on, and here the issue comes up.

Apple has deals with these carriers, no surprise there, but what is being investigated by anti-trust investigators in Europe is what those deals are like. From what has come out, Apple demands a must buy number that is very high (and at full price) to even be allowed to sell an Apple product. On top of that they require full subsidy, dictate prices and no discounting and other issues. That means that sales in Europe and most likely across the planet outside the US, are shipped not sold and that changes the game totally.

Apple claims sold, but that is a lie if the above is even remotely true. And with the falling marketshares pretty much everywhere but the US, then one has to ask... how can you loose marketshare if you are selling record numbers of phones? Oh yea, if they are shipped and not sold, and that explains why in the 2nd and 3rd quarters every year the sales have fallen rather much.. because carriers are forced to stockpile iPhones and have a huge amount sitting around not selling. Or the other phone makers are simply selling more... which they are, but not in the numbers that could effect such dramatic changes in marketshare we have seen in some countries.

What would be more interesting would be unique activations on an iPhone 5s or c... not that Apple will ever tell us those numbers...

Couple of questions still linger from that. How many are 5s and how many are 5c in terms of the total sold. Comparing two "new" phones to one "new" phone last year in terms of sales isn't necessarily a good measurement. That said, I'd expect the sales of the 5s over 5 to not be the same proportion of the sales of the 4s over the 4 because of the fact they did release a "new" phone along side of it. So that whole thing does murky the issue a bit. Still, that as an early number is hardly a BAD thing it's just not exactly too clear atm.

Well it is more than that. The iPhone users are very loyal, hence they replace their iPhone with a newer version. Now if we look at the average contract, then that runs 2 years.. which means all the 4S buyers are now up for renewal and can buy a new phone. So the real question is how many of those iPhones 5S's are just iPhone 4 and 4S customers upgrading and now many are new users. That is the real important number.

Oh and from 3rd party activation monitoring, the iPhone 5s out activated the 5c on average 3-1 and in some countries 10-1 or more.

In terms of the 200 million running iOS 7, we'd need to know the total number of iOS devices to get a grasp for what that adoption rate is. Though the day one adoption rate was apparently 35% which isn't bad.

Yea well ... that number is a bit suspect as well considering the size of the download, the problems involved with downloading and so on.

And for the record, Googles numbers are just as strange and suspect, so it is not an "I hate Apple" thing, but more a "tell me the freaking truth you morons" thing. Tired of being played by big companies and their stupid propaganda..

 

[Fiddytree]

Apple has not released any information about adoption rate of iOS7. When iOS6 was released there was a high adoption rate and no where near as many complaints.

From what we know thus far:

UPDATE: iOS 7 on 32% of iOS Devices 48 Hours After Public Release | Chitika Online Advertising Network

https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios_7/from_date:-2,to_date:0

Why on earth would you do that? Hackers, real hackers, dont hack to steal, but to find issues. They are on your side. As for criminals who exploit the bugs, well they are criminals. Would it not be a good idea to find and fix the bugs so that criminals cant exploit them?

Please. There are an enormous number of individuals who can claim all they want to claim, but they like to hunt and peck for weaknesses, make our lives worse and less convenient in the process, while still having the balls to claim the moral high ground. Then there are a number of other folk that decide it's a great idea to make money off of us while claiming to be the former mentioned irritating pissant.

What has been incredibly irritating is that when a hacker group shows an exploit, it seems to me that only the company that was attacked gets the blame. "Why didn't you increase security? Why didn't you have an updated apache server?" but rarely ever, "what in the hell are these clowns doing claiming they are publishing my information for the public good?"

It is going to take a hella long time.

Yes, it will be.

No they claim they dont take it seriously.. sales numbers show a different picture. Plus Apple has a reputation to defend.. and doing this hurts that reputation regardless.

They don't take that product seriously, sales aside. I can't think of another product in their lineup they refer to as their "hobby." Every other product is seen as the latest and greatest of their innovative talents, meant for the average consumer. This one: the hobby they work on once in a while.

 

[PeteEU]

From what we know thus far:

UPDATE: iOS 7 on 32% of iOS Devices 48 Hours After Public Release | Chitika Online Advertising Network

https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios_7/from_date:-2,to_date:0

and that 1 in 3 tweets about iOS 7 over the weekend was complaints about iOS 7..

Please. There are an enormous number of individuals who can claim all they want to claim, but they like to hunt and peck for weaknesses, make our lives worse and less convenient in the process, while still having the balls to claim the moral high ground. Then there are a number of other folk that decide it's a great idea to make money off of us while claiming to be the former mentioned irritating pissant.

What has been incredibly irritating is that when a hacker group shows an exploit, it seems to me that only the company that was attacked gets the blame. "Why didn't you increase security? Why didn't you have an updated apache server?" but rarely ever, "what in the hell are these clowns doing claiming they are publishing my information for the public good?"

You are looking at it in the wrong way. Yes they have published your info for the "public good", but would you rather not have this happen than the information was stolen and used secretly because of the exploit?

Point is that had it not been for the hackers, then the bugs and security holes would never have been found out because many companies simply refuse to believe that there is something wrong.

They don't take that product seriously, sales aside. I can't think of another product in their lineup they refer to as their "hobby." Every other product is seen as the latest and greatest of their innovative talents, meant for the average consumer. This one: the hobby they work on once in a while.

Hobby or not, it is a product they sell and promote, that means they are behind it and whatever updates they make for it. This time around the update was so bad that they had to pull it.. but very little media about that.. it is pretty much a first for Apple (well Apple 2.0) and uber rare in the OS/software business.

 

[Fiddytree]

and that 1 in 3 tweets about iOS 7 over the weekend was complaints about iOS 7..

That may be, but Twitter isn't a good barometer for anything of note.

You are looking at it in the wrong way. Yes they have published your info for the "public good", but would you rather not have this happen than the information was stolen and used secretly because of the exploit?

No thank you, and you're asking the wrong question. I would rather not have to 1) change my attached email account 2) change my email account password 3) change service provider password 4) Carefully monitor my banking records 5) change credit card number 6) attach different credit information to account 7) experience service disruptions for an undetermined amount of time-simply because you thought it was a good idea to let everyone know what a great and wonderful hacker you are. Hell, half of the time they tell the media they did nothing with the information, but in fact people still get charged up the wazoo for ridiculous items like video games to feed their childlike mentality. Who in the hell appointed these bastards to rut through our stuff like that? They appointed themselves to be trusted with our information. It's a bull**** mentality. The high and mighty hacker needs to be punished and beaten to a pulp, and their defenders need to be publicly shunned.

Hobby or not, it is a product they sell and promote, that means they are behind it and whatever updates they make for it. This time around the update was so bad that they had to pull it.. but very little media about that.. it is pretty much a first for Apple (well Apple 2.0) and uber rare in the OS/software business.

I know they sell it, but they don't care about it, which is a reason why I would never suggest someone should buy it.

 

[PeteEU]

That may be, but Twitter isn't a good barometer for anything of note.

actually I disagree... I dont like Twitter but as a barometer it is not that bad, especially when it concerns tech.

No thank you, and you're asking the wrong question. I would rather not have to 1) change my attached email account 2) change my email account password 3) change service provider password 4) Carefully monitor my banking records 5) change credit card number 6) attach different credit information to account 7) experience service disruptions for an undetermined amount of time-simply because you thought it was a good idea to let everyone know what a great and wonderful hacker you are. Hell, half of the time they tell the media they did nothing with the information, but in fact people still get charged up the wazoo for ridiculous items like video games to feed their childlike mentality. Who in the hell appointed these bastards to rut through our stuff like that? They appointed themselves to be trusted with our information. It's a bull**** mentality. The high and mighty hacker needs to be punished and beaten to a pulp, and their defenders need to be publicly shunned.

So you would rather live in a world where the bank has the back door open for robbers and punish the guy who points out that the door is open? Okay..

I know they sell it, but they don't care about it, which is a reason why I would never suggest someone should buy it.

OH I agree on the not buying the POS, because it is such a closed and expensive system, but saying the "dont care about it" is an excuse for a bad product release..

 

[Fiddytree]

So you would rather live in a world where the bank has the back door open for robbers and punish the guy who points out that the door is open? Okay..

It's like finding out some douchebag or group of douchebags take it upon themselves to test your security system whenever they want. They break into your home every week or so, or just whenever they feel like it, and then take pictures of the break-in. They expect me to be happy that they are testing the security system I own and finding its flaws. The broken windows and so forth are just part of doing business. I'm supposed to trust that they won't steal anything in the process, because they are so gosh-darned noble. Nevermind that many times at least something of yours is missing or maybe they grabbed your vital information. I just have to trust them, until I see otherwise, that they didn't do anything. Then I am supposed to get really angry with my security company, the sturdiness of the materials in my home, and so on. It's not the fault of the assholes that keep breaking into my house. No no, it's for my benefit. In the end, because of their efforts, my house is surrounded by barbed wire, land mines, and so forth, because it's more secure that way. It won't stop the douchebags from trying again, though. But hey, it's all for my benefit, right? It's just there to stop the real bad guys.

Your example somehow thinks that all the guy is doing is saying "the door is open" while others act. Many times he's the one busting it down. He just thinks we are supposed to congratulate him because he didn't take anything, or if he did, he didn't use it. "Thank you for breaking into my home and not taking anything. Goodness, I would have been really screwed had you wanted to take my things! You're a good guy, guy."

OH I agree on the not buying the POS, because it is such a closed and expensive system, but saying the "dont care about it" is an excuse for a bad product release..

That's been their excuse for years. Again, I would never recommend a product that the company can't even take seriously publicly.

 

[Surtr]

OK. I have equipment replacement protect (aka insurance) on my phones, right? I have 4 iPhones in my plan, so that's 4 insurance premiums added on to my bill. When I had an android based phone, the insurance was $6.99 a month. With the iPhone, it's $9.99. So that's $40 a month just in insurance on the phones. Now if we drop the phones and need to use the insurance, the deductible on the android phone was $99. On the iPhone? $169.

I have an extra upgrade in January. I think I am going to go back to a Droid.

I never pay for the insurance. They never pay out if your phone breaks, so it's not worth the extra cost.

 

[Superfly]

I never pay for the insurance. They never pay out if your phone breaks, so it's not worth the extra cost.

I've had Asurion pay out, but they paid out by giving me remanufactured/refurbished product. For what I am paying in insurance, I'd expect to have brand new phones. I got 2 phones from Asurion as replacements when my daughter jumped in the pool with her phone in her pocket, and neither one of the ones they sent worked. I called Verizon and raised hell and they gave me an early upgrade. I got my $100 deductible back from Asurion and said I was going to cancel. Then I forgot. :lol:

 

[obvious Child]

As much as iOS 7 finally gets on the bandwagon on things Android has had for years, I'm still going to wait for iOS 7 to get a few patches before I update my iPad.

That whole white on white is appalling.

 

[Superfly]

It's awful, OC. I'm still trying to get used to it, but to no avail. I just don't text, etc, as much as I used to. Trying to avoid the headaches.

 

[obvious Child]

It's awful, OC. I'm still trying to get used to it, but to no avail. I just don't text, etc, as much as I used to. Trying to avoid the headaches.

That's what I'm reading on places like Cnet.

Too bad that they killed the downgrade. For a while there you could get back to iOS 6.

I don't really need the all of the stuff my Android phone has largely because I'm just sitting at a table/chair/bed on my iPad, but it would be nice to have.

In other news, Amazon released its next batch of tablets.

 

[Superfly]

That's what I'm reading on places like Cnet.

Too bad that they killed the downgrade. For a while there you could get back to iOS 6.

I don't really need the all of the stuff my Android phone has largely because I'm just sitting at a table/chair/bed on my iPad, but it would be nice to have.

In other news, Amazon released its next batch of tablets.

Well I don't use a lot of things on my phone, but there are some things I'd miss if I didn't have it anymore. I text. From time to time I use the internet if we're out. I held off having a smart phone for the longest time, because I'm always home, and if I need to go online, I can go on my computer or tablet. But then I was out one day and needed it and didn't have it, so I bit the bullet and got my first smart phone. I do use the camera - a lot. I love how the smart phone camera has replaced the need for a point-and-shoot camera. I have an app called Cozi that is a scheduling app which is helpful because you can schedule things in and then it reminds you. Comes in handy when you have a lot going on. I have also replaced my need for an alarm clock. I love the Kindle app, so if I forget my Kindle at home, I can still pick up where I left off on my book. And I know it's silly, but I love that flashlight app. :lol: