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'I Call it Genocide Because IT IS Genocide'

MAGAnificent said:
And it's Hamas that is 100% responsible for it.
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Oh no. It is 100 percent Netanyahoos choice to remove a civilian population from its homeland. This is patently not “the only way to stop Hamas” as the propagandists keep telling us. The atrocities of Oct 7 are just being used as an excuse for a greater atrocity: mass murder, starvation and the forcible, likely permanent, removal of a civilian population.
 
Napoleon said:
Whether or not there is a genocide is a matter of interpretation and opinion. It is impossible to destroy Hamas without significant collateral damage by the design of Hamas. I would say that opposing Hamas and anti-semitism is a hollow position if one opposes the only effective method of removing them from power.
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And yet many in Israel, including former leaders have said this genocide is now simply to delay legal proceedings against Netanyahu.

www.timesofisrael.com

Ex-PM Ehud Barak calls for ‘civic revolt’ against Netanyahu, who is ‘acting like a caged animal’

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www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

Napoleon said:
The Gazans have had 18 years of opportunities to remove Hamas and they haven’t done it. They’re complicit at best.
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So where do you put Netanyahu's policy of delaying peace at every opportunity? Where do you put his enabling settlers to go into the West Bank and unhome Palestinians and steal their land - building settlements that are and have always been illegal in International law?

More, where do you put any blame on Netanyahu for deliberately turning a blind eye to suitcases of cash flowing into Gaza to strengthen Hamas? (links below)

Ganondagan said:
I stand with Israel.
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Is there nothing that Israel has done that ever makes you question such blind faith?

theweek.com

Why Israel's Netanyahu encouraged suitcases of cash for Gaza

Benjamin Netanyahu and his allies say he was trying to prevent a humanitarian disaster in the Gaza Strip. Netanyahu's critics, citing his own words, say he was trying to buy — and thwart — peace.
theweek.com theweek.com

www.jpost.com

Netanyahu: Money to Hamas part of strategy to keep Palestinians divided

“Now that we are supervising, we know it’s going to humanitarian causes,” the source said, paraphrasing Netanyahu.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com
 
uptower said:
Oh no. It is 100 percent Netanyahoos choice to remove a civilian population from its homeland.
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Israel in the not-too-distant past, returned GAZA to the Palestinians in a land for peace move. The peace never came. One radical Islamic terrorist group after another simply used the land primarily to continue attacking Israel. They build a massive tunnel system to facilitate carrying that out. Hamas is the worst offender. However, Israel is not moving out, the Palestinians, they are destroying Hamas,
uptower said:
This is patently not “the only way to stop Hamas” as the propagandists keep telling us.
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See above.
uptower said:
The atrocities of Oct 7 are just being used as an excuse for a greater atrocity: mass murder, starvation and the forcible, likely permanent, removal of a civilian population.
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Your attempts to minimize the Oct 7 attacks are lame. It was Israel's 9/11/01. They are not in the mood for another flaky peace deal that leaves Hamas in a position to regroup and do it again. And the claims of mass murder and starvation are asinine and stupid. First Hamas operates amongst civilians and uses them as human shields, followed by useful idiots in the west screeching "Look what Israels doing!" And any food and medicine not getting to the civilians is because Hamas is hijacking it.
 
uptower said:
Oh no. It is 100 percent Netanyahoos choice to remove a civilian population from its homeland. This is patently not “the only way to stop Hamas” as the propagandists keep telling us. The atrocities of Oct 7 are just being used as an excuse for a greater atrocity: mass murder, starvation and the forcible, likely permanent, removal of a civilian population.
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When are they going to be removed according to your fake accusation though? How long should we wait before we can determine you were pushing a false narrative on behalf of an evil regime of terrorists?
 
Napoleon said:
We’ve established that you can’t distinguish between “innocent civilians” and innocent civilians so don’t criticize Israel for not being able to do the same.
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Talk of Israel being concerned with that very distinction is undermined by both Israeli state leaders comments and Israeli state actions.

Just like you their commentary has been around the line that there are no innocent people in Gaza.

So, considering all of these things, your comment is just nonsense anyhow and bears no resemblance to reality .

You can't blame someone for something they aren't doing.


Napoleon said:
And don’t come back with another novella about a pie-in-the-sky two state solution you have no strategy to achieve beyond whining about Israel.
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That's where the massive international consensus is, where international law is applied etc etc and it's only the USA that has stood in the way of it being resolved due to its abuse of the veto it has at the UN
Napoleon said:
And btw - 60% of Palestinians don’t want a two State solution.
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They used to and then they realized that Oslo was the agreement that saw the PA attain collaborator to the illegal occupation status. They saw that Israel wasn't ever interested in a two state more clearly than ever before.

You will find the same percentages amongst Israeli Jews but you wouldn't allow yourself the scope to consider their views, as ever with people like yourself, as has been shown in your posts here, it's all down to the Palestinians
Napoleon said:
It’s time to chalk up the partition as the mistake that it was and recognize the Palestinians cannot be trusted with a State.
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Partition was wrong from the start, as was the British decision to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine, but as time and tide changes things that were possible at one point end up not being possible and vice versa.

" The Palestinians cannot be trusted with a state " ?

And the Israeli Jews can be, as they have waged wars of aggression and conquest from the start and end up acting like the Nazis themselves lol

The bigotry of your positions is self evident in every post you make
 
Bodecea said:
I too stand with Israel but do NOT stand with genocide.
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That could use clarification. If you mean you stand with the rogue state living peacefully next to a Palestinian state - so does pretty much everyone else. That's Hamas' position. Guess who refuses?
 
uptower said:
It should be obvious by now NetanYahoo is using the clash as a pretext to remove all Palestinians from Gaza. He wants to expand. West Bank is next.
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Correction: West Bank is being ethnically cleansed in parallel. Not the same as Gaza, but at record levels of new settlements and settler violence. Over a dozen villages have been cleansed recently, with tactics including kidnapping children to force families to leave.
 
Napoleon said:
60% of Palestinians don’t want a two State solution.
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Neither do a large chunk of Israelis. Should they be turfed from their homes as well then?

The solution was always for each side to bite its tongue and accept that the other is also there to stay. It doesn't matter as much that makes individuals bitter; if their leaders would make and stick to an agreement - and this applies to both sides - then it is the responsibility of the citizenry to accept that for the greater, whether it serves their personal preference or not.

Right now they can't do that.
 
uptower said:
The solution was always for each side to bite its tongue and accept that the other is also there to stay.
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It turns out, unfortunately, that the rogue state has always had - at least the Likud and further right part usually ruling - a fanatical dedication to taking it all. Since 1900, when they were watching the US cleanse the natives and Britain's empire, through the 30's and 40's as they had terrorist units, while Ben Gurion was saying they just wanted any size starting point, and would take the rest. And now they see a historic opportunity for a 'final solution'.
 
uptower said:
Neither do a large chunk of Israelis. Should they be turfed from their homes as well then?

The solution was always for each side to bite its tongue and accept that the other is also there to stay. It doesn't matter as much that makes individuals bitter; if their leaders would make and stick to an agreement - and this applies to both sides - then it is the responsibility of the citizenry to accept that for the greater, whether it serves their personal preference or not.

Right now they can't do that.
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The problem is as your comment suggests, that there is a strong number of both Israelis and Palestinians who do not accept the existence and/or the legitimacy of the other side.
 
watsup said:
Projection.
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One thing you guys have to learn is that neither Israel nor those of us who support Israel care what the world thinks. The state of Israel has the right to protect herself and will do so at whatever cost is required.

Western countries that think this battle does not affect them will soon be fighting the same battle, the signs of which are already emerging. This is a battle of cultures.
 
Terrorists creating propaganda for stupid people to repeat is the only reason they call it "genocide".
It only works on those with IQs well below 100 and with an established animosity towards Jews.
 
Ganondagan said:
One thing you guys have to learn is that neither Israel nor those of us who support Israel care what the world thinks. The state of Israel has the right to protect herself and will do so at whatever cost is required.

Western countries that think this battle does not affect them will soon be fighting the same battle, the signs of which are already emerging. This is a battle of cultures.
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You are very good at finding excuses to support the genocide actions of Netanyahu.
 
Ganondagan said:
I do support Netanyahu, and the state of Israel.
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Their pets toss gays off of rooftops, kill their wives and daughters for "honor", and name streets after murderers.

No wonder they love them like they do!!
 
Nickyjo said:
The problem is as your comment suggests, that there is a strong number of both Israelis and Palestinians who do not accept the existence and/or the legitimacy of the other side.
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That is a hugely false description. There is a colonialist side and a victim of that colonialism side. The colonialist side wants ethnic cleansing and to take all the land of the other side. The Palestinian side wants a two state solution, and at most for a Palestinian government of all the land to replace the ciminral rogue state in which citizens of the rogue state are free to live with equal rights.
 
Nickyjo said:
The problem is as your comment suggests, that there is a strong number of both Israelis and Palestinians who do not accept the existence and/or the legitimacy of the other side.
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Only one problem here. Only one side has the capability to do whatever they want to the other side, to include taking their land and killing tens of thousands of them at will.
 
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