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How to win at collegiate debate: pull the race card.

You're welcome. It's definitely a weird sub-culture but the blacks students not even addressing the issue means that they don't have the better argument. If those Harvard blabbermouths are speaking to the issue then they win by default.

Your inability to understand their arguments and their relevance does not reflect well on the debating skills of white people
 
You don't have sources which are available to your audience? Okie doke, feel free to continue distorting the facts and lying, you certainly don't need sources for that.

That's a good point. If someone is gonna distort and misrepresent research, why bother providing a link no one can use? It would be just as effective to present the fake conclusions as ones own.
 
That's a good point. If someone is gonna distort and misrepresent research, why bother providing a link no one can use? It would be just as effective to present the fake conclusions as ones own.

Prove that I'm distorting or misrepresenting research. No wonder you failed out of graduate school - your ability to discern truths by intuition just wasn't recognized as a valuable talent.

Why bother with footnotes or a bibliography in a paper if they sources are not found on the internet? Knowledge doesn't exist if it's not sitting on a server somewhere.
 
Why bother with footnotes or a bibliography in a paper if they sources are not found on the internet? Knowledge doesn't exist if it's not sitting on a server somewhere.

You're not writing a paper or book. You're spewing BS on the internet.
 
That's a good point. If someone is gonna distort and misrepresent research, why bother providing a link no one can use? It would be just as effective to present the fake conclusions as ones own.

Yep. I'm not a big fan of providing offline material as a reference in an online discussion, but at least with a book one could walk into any of the tens of thousands of public libraries in the United States. Providing a source that nobody is going to read because it costs money to view gives the deceiver the perfect cover -- he provided a link to a reputable source, he can say anything he wants about it since nobody's going to pay to read it, then when someone rejects it he covered his ass.
 
That's the spam, the out of context excerpt. And he draws conclusions not drawn in the article. As if misrepresenting one questionable article proves something.

It's a racist file dump.


Every prof I've ever known appreciates diversity in their university.

probably so if it is real diversity. color really doesn't count in my mind. different experiences or talents do

like my last group of suite mates in college

one guy was a hard core political junkie who ended up clerking for the USSC and founded "The federalist society"

another guy was the son of a second generation Italian-American labor union organizer who had apprenticed in the trade before coming to college. He could fix about anything from cars to leaky shower faucets.

the third guy was a Chess Master who could play most Grateful Dead Songs on a Les Paul. He also was a world class poker and backgammon ace.

The fourth guy was a pre med science Geek who constantly talked about the agonies of P-chemistry.

The fifth guy was a rich Jewish kid from LA who graduated HS at 17. He enlisted in the marines, earned some decorations before coming to college. we used to talk about martial arts a lot

The sixth guy was from Brooklyn. his mom was a former ABT dancer, his dad a gymnast who became an ortho surgeon. He was a national class gymnast and the best ballet dancer in the city.

and me-I was on three teams and an all-american in an obscure sport.

that was real diversity. what colors or creeds we were didn't matter. I learned backgammon from the chess master, interesting stories about the marines from the marine, how to fix a leaky faucet from the union guy, the best stretches for sore hamstrings from the dancer, among other things. by the time those guys graduated, most of them were pretty good foosball players courtesy of me and all but one was decent in table tennis.
 
Prove that I'm distorting or misrepresenting research. No wonder you failed out of graduate school - your ability to discern truths by intuition just wasn't recognized as a valuable talent.

Why bother with footnotes or a bibliography in a paper if they sources are not found on the internet? Knowledge doesn't exist if it's not sitting on a server somewhere.

You continue to hide behind a source that you know nobody is going to pay to review. Cite freely available sources.
 
Providing a source that nobody is going to read because it costs money to view gives the deceiver the perfect cover -- he provided a link to a reputable source, he can say anything he wants about it since nobody's going to pay to read it, then when someone rejects it he covered his ass.

Any public library will get the paper for you at no charge.
 
Any public library will get the paper for you at no charge.

No problem. My mom works at a public library which is part of a network of public libraries in my region. When she tells me that you're full of ****, I'll come back here and call you on it, then you'll lie some more. Won't that be fun?
 
that was real diversity.

Not really.

Blacks (and other minorities, to a lesser extent) bring a unique perspective, that of a discriminated against population. If someone is not black they do not know what it's like. It's important to include that perspective. It's also important to include the perspective of the poor. And of the physically disabled. Etc.

Your idea of diversity is two people standing next to each other describing what they see. A more varied perspective is required for "real diversity".
 
Any public library will get the paper for you at no charge.

Oh, give us a break. You misrepresent articles people can only access by paying. It's a cheap tactic used to present BS. If there was any truth to your claim, you could provide something else. But you can't. All you can do is continue to misrepresent ONE article that people can't access. You spam that article, and your misrepresentation, over and over. Because you've got nothing.
 
Blacks (and other minorities, to a lesser extent) bring a unique perspective, that of a discriminated against population.

That unique perspective sure works well in debates. Maybe if we incorporate that unique perspective into more areas of life we can speed our way to a glorious future.

 
Not really.

Blacks (and other minorities, to a lesser extent) bring a unique perspective, that of a discriminated against population. If someone is not black they do not know what it's like. It's important to include that perspective. It's also important to include the perspective of the poor. And of the physically disabled. Etc.

Your idea of diversity is two people standing next to each other describing what they see. A more varied perspective is required for "real diversity".

I disagree. at Yale we had a bunch of rich prep school black kids whose perspective really didn't add a whole lot. the ones who did were the black kids recruited for athletics-they often had a different perspective-and didn't have a sense of entitlement either.

BTW its funny to stereotype and say "black"=diversity when we ought to judge people based on who they are and what they bring to the table
 
Any public library will get the paper for you at no charge.

Actually, forget talking to my mother, I can go you one better. I checked out the web site for the library network in question:

Catalog - Home

Looks like I am not able to gain access to the paper through my public library or any library in this network. Cite a source open to the public.
 
Actually, forget talking to my mother, I can go you one better. I checked out the web site for the library network in question:

Catalog - Home

Looks like I am not able to gain access to the paper through my public library or any library in this network. Cite a source open to the public.

Do I look like your personal helper-monkey? I can't help you with your mental disability - your inability to comprehend what I've written here doesn't seem to be alleviated no matter how many times I repeat myself. I've given you a source, I've quoted the abstract which supports my position and I've quoted from within the article. If you want to dispute, then you do your own legwork.

Now start defending the clown tactics in this debate. I want to see you address the issue rather than continuing to derail threads because you can't defend your ideology.
 
BTW its funny to stereotype and say "black"=diversity when we ought to judge people based on who they are and what they bring to the table

Blacks brings a perspective to the table, through the experience of being discriminated against by society at large.
 
Do I look like your personal helper-monkey? I can't help you with your mental disability - your inability to comprehend what I've written here doesn't seem to be alleviated no matter how many times I repeat myself. I've given you a source, I've quoted the abstract which supports my position and I've quoted from within the article. If you want to dispute, then you do your own legwork.

You provided me with a link to an op-ed piece that you claimed contained evidence proving your point. I pointed out where it flat-out contradicted you, especially with respect to Hispanic students and the fact that it was data 15 years old. You told me I could access the article you cited for free at any public library, either you flat-out lied or just assumed.

Provide a source open to the public proving the point I called you on, if you can. I don't think I can. I think you're just making **** up.
 
If you want to dispute, then you do your own legwork.

Wrong. It is upon the claim to provide proof. You can't shift the burden of proof to the negative.

It's not our fault that you only have one misrepresented article that no one can access.

You failed to prove your claim. Too bad.
 
Blacks brings a perspective to the table, through the experience of being discriminated against by society at large.

some have, some have not.
 
some have, some have not.
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then you have just confirmed there can be a benefit to diversity
thank you
 
[emphasis added by bubba to make a point ... or more accurately, to highlight a point made by this forum member]

then you have just confirmed there can be a benefit to diversity
thank you

the problem with affirmative action-as it is PRACTICED is that the inquiry merely extends to the color of the applicant
 
the problem with affirmative action-as it is PRACTICED is that the inquiry merely extends to the color of the applicant

that was not true in my own experience
in the federal AA program i administered, eligibility was based on both socio and economic factors
 
I've seen some of this in higher education before, but without the intellectual flair.
 
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I absolutely hate the debate style highlighted in the beginning of the video. It's far less about the argument than cramming as much crap as humanely possible in a timed response. At least with the African American students, I could understand what the hell they were saying, as dramatic as it is. Well, that is..until they were being stringently timed on their argument. Sigh.
 
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