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How Long does it take Sen. Leader Mitch McConnell to change a light bulb?

OpportunityCost said:
So....no.
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No more than you have proof of the opposite, OC. All I know is that the amendment he proposed was only designed to appeal to his base. There was nothing in it tailored to the centrists. That's not surprising - we all know stimulus wasn't McConnell's priority.
 
Cordelier said:
No more than you have proof of the opposite, OC. All I know is that the amendment he proposed was only designed to appeal to his base. There was nothing in it tailored to the centrists. That's not surprising - we all know stimulus wasn't McConnell's priority.
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So, mind reading now. Proof, right?
 
Cordelier said:
Go ahead, post it then.
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You stuck your 2cents in and said the proof is in the pudding. As yet you have produced no pudding whatsoever, so quit trying to play games and assuming you have provided proof of your claim by demanding I provide proof when all I have done is push back against your claim as something you do not know.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You stuck your 2cents in and said the proof is in the pudding. As yet you have produced no pudding whatsoever, so quit trying to play games and assuming you have provided proof of your claim by demanding I provide proof when all I have done is push back against your claim as something you do not know.
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*LOL* Tell you what... why don't you get back to me when you've actually got something to add to the conversation?
 
Cordelier said:
*LOL* Tell you what... why don't you get back to me when you've actually got something to add to the conversation?
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Considering you haven't added anything, take your own advice.
 
presluc said:
So why not?
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Because despite all the talk of lockstep, there have always been 2 to 5 Republican Senators that have spiked important votes over the years. They want to appear moderate and can use such votes to prove "independence" to their voters in their home states.
 
Bottom line this stimulus bill was due in September, it is now November it was around before that.
All McConnell has done is stall and bitch and whine.
Anything to stop this bill from passing ..
 
presluc said:
Bottom line this stimulus bill was due in September, it is now November it was around before that.
All McConnell has done is stall and bitch and whine.
Anything to stop this bill from passing ..
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And with the senate staying republican, and Biden having won the presidency, I believe the republican led senate will continue to intentionally harm americans to try and make Biden look bad. It will cost them the senate in 2022.
 
presluc said:
You overlook the real American people that is looking hard at this stimulus package.
The average American citizen that needs help.
When your rent money is low , and utility bills may be put on hold , and you have to start looking for food banks to get food .
What happens to a politician don't seem that important , but the key figures in politics that refuses to help in this situation will be remembered come election time and there are a lot of new registered Voters this election.
Besides, everybody knows it's McConnell's name on the blocking of the Stimulus bill .
That is unless you are saying that Sen. Leader Mitch McConnell is a puppet performing at President Trump's leisure .
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Sadly, Americans have once again allowed themselves to be their own worst enemy. Folks in Kentucky are so well off that they don't need no stickin federal stimulus package. So they voted McConnell another 6-year term.
But somehow Republicans will blame Hunter Biden, Lefties and Dems as the entire US economy remains embroiled in a deadly pandemic, double-digit unemployment, record numbers of small business failures, and lingering economic pain.
Just remember who voted for McConnell and other GOP Senators who have refused to legislate a financial lifeline for tens of millions of Americans who stand to become homeless, in need of food lines, or bankrupt.
 
rahl said:
And with the senate staying republican, and Biden having won the presidency, I believe the republican led senate will continue to intentionally harm americans to try and make Biden look bad. It will cost them the senate in 2022.
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Hell the Republicans harm Americans anyway??
Top Republicans ;don't have to wear a mask during a Pandemic???
Top Republican Senate leader; Stimulus package for the American people; Well wait a few...... 3 months later still waiting.
 
Cordelier said:
So you've lost work because of Covid? I only lost a couple of weeks back in April during the adjustment, so I think I'm doing fine... but I know most people out there are seriously hurting - I don't begrudge running up the debt somewhat to help people in that kind of a situation. And I especially don't begrudge direct healthcare spending to help State and Local Governments bolster their infrastructure to handle the crisis. I also don't mind helping businesses - small and large alike - to keep from folding and compensating them for the losses they've incurred because of the extra burden we've asked them to share. Cover those three things, and I think that's a worthwhile investment for the country to make to get us over this hump.

Does that sound reasonable to you?
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Your post reads like an unfunded mandate. These things are not cheap. We still have not done the work to pay for those two Bush wars or the economic recovery acts to stimulate the economy and stabilize the banking industry from the great recession.
Do you favor an increase in your taxes so that we can accomplish the above without hoisting the bill on our grandkids?
 
btthegreat said:
Your post reads like an unfunded mandate.
Do you favor an increase in your taxes so that we can accomplish the above without hoisting the bill on our grandkids?
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Absolutely... raise my taxes. I believe in this country and I've done alright by it. I don't mind giving back to help keep it going. That's the way it's supposed to work... the people who are doing okay are supposed to help the people who aren't. That's how we move ahead. Where are we ever going to be if everyone had the attitude "I've got mine... so screw the rest of you"?

That being said, I don't think we ought to balance the budget to face a national emergency... we need to do what we need to do to get through this and then worry about paying for it later - the same way we did in World War II. We didn't worry about how we were going to pay for the war... we spent what we needed to spend to fight it, and then worried about paying for it later.
 
Cordelier said:
Absolutely... raise my taxes. I believe in this country and I've done alright by it. I don't mind giving back to help keep it going. That's the way it's supposed to work... the people who are doing okay are supposed to help the people who aren't. That's how we move ahead. Where are we ever going to be if everyone had the attitude "I've got mine... so screw the rest of you"?

That being said, I don't think we ought to balance the budget to face a national emergency... we need to do what we need to do to get through this and then worry about paying for it later - the same way we did in World War II. We didn't worry about how we were going to pay for the war... we spent what we needed to spend to fight it, and then worried about paying for it later.
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You make great sense. My sentiments exactly. I am afraid too many Americans may have lost the social glue that former generations shared while fighting The Great Depression, World War II and Communist Aggression.
Time will tell of course. I am optimistic that those now in their teens to early 30s will manage to pull together with less animosity and resentment than is prevalent at the moment. With climate change causing increasing havoc across our planet, they had better show greater cooperation than say the GOP which has been unwilling to work with the Democrats for 12 years.
 
Cordelier said:
That's the way it's supposed to work... the people who are doing okay are supposed to help the people who aren't.
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Thats not how its supposed to work at all. People are free to help or not help as they choose, to pursue hapiness in whatever way they want which doesnt infringe on others rights.
 
dcaraz said:
You make great sense. My sentiments exactly. I am afraid too many Americans may have lost the social glue that former generations shared while fighting The Great Depression, World War II and Communist Aggression.
Time will tell of course. I am optimistic that those now in their teens to early 30s will manage to pull together with less animosity and resentment than is prevalent at the moment. With climate change causing increasing havoc across our planet, they had better show greater cooperation than say the GOP which has been unwilling to work with the Democrats for 12 years.
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Thanks Dcaraz... I hope you're right - nothing seems to foster cooperation quite like an existential threat.
 
jonny5 said:
Thats not how its supposed to work at all. People are free to help or not help as they choose, to pursue hapiness in whatever way they want which doesnt infringe on others rights.
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Let's face it, Jonny... none of that is possible without a government to make it happen. I'm not saying that government has to be anywhere close to all-encompassing.... my personal "sweetspot" for federal government spending is around 19-20% of GDP when the economy is strong. Higher spending when the economy is struggling, lower when it is booming. I think that's fair. And it's roughly about where we are now... the problem is that we only seem to be willing to raise 15-16% of GDP in taxes to pay for it. We want a 2020 government, but we're only willing to pay for a 1950's one... and that kind of a situation isn't tenable in the long run.
 
Cordelier said:
Let's face it, Jonny... none of that is possible without a government to make it happen. I'm not saying that government has to be anywhere close to all-encompassing.... my personal "sweetspot" for federal government spending is around 19-20% of GDP when the economy is strong. Higher spending when the economy is struggling, lower when it is booming. I think that's fair. And it's roughly about where we are now... the problem is that we only seem to be willing to raise 15-16% of GDP in taxes to pay for it. We want a 2020 government, but we're only willing to pay for a 1950's one... and that kind of a situation isn't tenable in the long run.
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I agree, we spend too much, but Im not sure what that has to do with what you said though that 'the people doing ok are supposed to help those who arent, is how things work'.

Thats not how its supposed to work, thats how the bare majority of people made it work, without the consent of the rest. Democratic socialism is not how this country was designed and its now how its supposed to work. Govt is only supposed to secure your rights, to life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness, and nothing else. Any dollars being spent above that is unneccesary. And those who arent doing well would benefit from a govt that only needs to spend 5% of GDP, not 22%.
 
jonny5 said:
I agree, we spend too much, but Im not sure what that has to do with what you said though that 'the people doing ok are supposed to help those who arent, is how things work'.

Thats not how its supposed to work, thats how the bare majority of people made it work, without the consent of the rest. Democratic socialism is not how this country was designed and its now how its supposed to work. Govt is only supposed to secure your rights, to life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness, and nothing else. Any dollars being spent above that is unneccesary. And those who arent doing well would benefit from a govt that only needs to spend 5% of GDP, not 22%.
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We tried that, Jonny.... for pretty much the period in between the Civil War and the 1920's - the Gilded Age - you had a small number of millionaires and the untold millions living in tenement housing. More and more wealth became concentrated in fewer and fewer hands until we reached the breaking point where demand couldn't keep up with supply and the whole system collapsed in on itself. The kind of world you're talking about may work in an agricultural society, where people can work their own piece of land and largely count on each other when times get tough, but it doesn't work too well in an industrial one.
 
rahl said:
And with the senate staying republican, and Biden having won the presidency, I believe the republican led senate will continue to intentionally harm americans to try and make Biden look bad. It will cost them the senate in 2022.
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And who says Republicans don't play politics on a grand scale??
 
Cordelier said:
We tried that, Jonny.... for pretty much the period in between the Civil War and the 1920's - the Gilded Age - you had a small number of millionaires and the untold millions living in tenement housing. More and more wealth became concentrated in fewer and fewer hands until we reached the breaking point where demand couldn't keep up with supply and the whole system collapsed in on itself. The kind of world you're talking about may work in an agricultural society, where people can work their own piece of land and largely count on each other when times get tough, but it doesn't work too well in an industrial one.
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We dont have a industrial society, we have service and technology society, 30 million people own small businesses, 15 million who work as contractors, and 60% of all workers are white collar. Median income in the us is 68k, and thats not because of wealth redistribution. Poor people are still poor, and no amount of spending on poverty has fixed, or will fix that.

But AGAIN, whats this all have to do with your claim that "the people who are doing okay are supposed to help the people who aren't...thats how its works"? No where in our constitution or founding principles will you find that. They way its supposed to work is you are free to pursue happiness how you want, whether thats helping others or not.
 
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