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How Long does it take Sen. Leader Mitch McConnell to change a light bulb?

OpportunityCost said:
Both of which were laden with pet political projects for the Democrats which were deal breakers for the Republicans, which Pelosi and the House leadership knew.
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your opinion of the bill is meaningless. The senate should have taken to committee, amended, passed their own version and sent back to the house. Then you would be able to blame Pelosi if nothing was passed. Right now, it's entirely and 100% mcconnel who is intentionally hurting americans.

Adding to which the Republicans in the Senate passed a bill.
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what bill?
 
rahl said:
your opinion of the bill is meaningless. The senate should have taken to committee, amended, passed their own version and sent back to the house. Then you would be able to blame Pelosi if nothing was passed. Right now, it's entirely and 100% mcconnel who is intentionally hurting americans.


what bill?
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Really? You want to tell me my opinion of the Democrat Bill and you aren't even aware of the Senate Bill? Make yourself worth talking to and read something besides progressive sources for talking points.
 
presluc said:
Thats the Right wing way you don't want to pass a bill to help average Americans bitch about the contents .
Nobody from the right bitched about the rich stimulus package.
It was submited and passed no problem..
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So was the Senate Bill. Why is it the blame of one party when Pelosi was bound and determined to make it an entirely political process? She wouldn't even negotiate!
 
presluc said:
W

Why is that?
Perhaps too much money for average Americans.
Funny I don't recall anybody saying anything about the contents of a stimulus package for the rich corporations.
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Because there wasn't one?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Well that's straight up disinformation. Budget cuts have to passed by Congress and signed by the President. He cant do it by himself. Who fed you that pack of lies?
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Aka signed by the president since the Senate is mostly Republican well?
 
OpportunityCost said:
So was the Senate Bill. Why is it the blame of one party when Pelosi was bound and determined to make it an entirely political process? She wouldn't even negotiate!
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Because it went to the Senate"Republican party" and stopped or stalled by McConnell.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Because there wasn't one?
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I beg to differ the first Stimulus package had more than a few rich corporations with their hand out.
Rich corporations gout the meat , average Americans got left over scraps.
 
presluc said:
I beg to differ the first Stimulus package had more than a few rich corporations with their hand out.
Rich corporations gout the meat , average Americans got left over scraps.
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Disagree, but what you are arguing would run counter to authorizing a 2nd stimulus, wouldn't it?
 
presluc said:
Aka signed by the president since the Senate is mostly Republican well?
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If you can be honest, you cannot argue it was a lone politician, which was my point. Stop scapegoating and look at who is passing the bills.
 
presluc said:
Answer don't know if a light bulb blows instead of replacing it with a better one , he will stumble around in the dark looking for a cheaper one .

That is in fact what he has done with the second Stimulus package, While many American people are in dire straights , McConnell is still playing politics.
Watch your back Sen. Leader , you just might lose that title very soon , The American people that are waiting for that stimulus package that you continue to block ., Well many of them VOTE check the polls lately have ya?,
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You realize there has been 4 separate bills allocating about 4.4 trillion dollars for relief of the effects of Covid. The latest negotiations are stalled on Nancy Pelosi's desk over money she wants to pay local governments in cities that have seen rioting, lootin, burining and assaults on police and citizens in "mostly peaceful" democrat run cities. That's the hold up of money for hospitals, schools, unemployed, PPE's and front line workers. Democrats want to pay cities that didn't do anything to stop the violence. Not like Nancy couldn't sign on to the current bill and then continue to fight for other money. No it's politics with Nancy, she doesn't want another bill because it might help Trump's reelection.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Really? You want to tell me my opinion of the Democrat Bill and you aren't even aware of the Senate Bill? Make yourself worth talking to and read something besides progressive sources for talking points.
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nothing here rebutted anything I said. Your opinion of the democrat bill is meaningless. The house passed 2 bills. The senate passed zero.
 
rahl said:
nothing here rebutted anything I said. Your opinion of the democrat bill is meaningless. The house passed 2 bills. The senate passed zero.
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As is your opinion of it. Look at where we are. The House passed two shit bills to leverage their political pet projects, not help people or they would have passed clean bills dealing only with the problem. Democrats played politics and now useful idiots in the media parrot their narrative because they sold their objectivity to the DNC long ago.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Disagree, but what you are arguing would run counter to authorizing a 2nd stimulus, wouldn't it?
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Not necessarily, since the first stimulus pacage catered more to the rich corporations than the average people.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Ahem, the Senate bill went to Nancy's desk and similarly stalled.
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The senate bill stalled didn't get a chance to go to the Senate , cause McConnell was busy confirming a Supreme court Judge.. After that he adjourned the Senate until Nov. 9th, If that isn't stalling a bill to get passed I don't know what is?
 
presluc said:
The senate bill stalled didn't get a chance to go to the Senate , cause McConnell was busy confirming a Supreme court Judge.. After that he adjourned the Senate until Nov. 9th, If that isn't stalling a bill to get passed I don't know what is?
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Who opposed the Senate bill again? Oh, that's right, Senate Democrats....
 
presluc said:
Not necessarily, since the first stimulus pacage catered more to the rich corporations than the average people.
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That's my point, if, as you say it catered to rich corporations....are we helping everyday citizens by passing another one from the House that looks very similar?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Who opposed the Senate bill again? Oh, that's right, Senate Democrats....
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Who is the Speaker of the house of the Senate?
If he doesn't have any control , how can he adjourn the Senate until Nov,. 9th???
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Who opposed the Senate bill again? Oh, that's right, Senate Democrats....
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Sorry, I must have missed the Senate stimulus bill.
I recall the House bill submitted by Pelosi, but I saw no stimulus package submitted by the Senate or the Republicans.
If this is true and there is no Republican stimulus package.
Then why would Democrats vote down a bill that they wrote and support???
 
OpportunityCost said:
As is your opinion of it. Look at where we are. The House passed two shit bills to leverage their political pet projects, not help people or they would have passed clean bills dealing only with the problem. Democrats played politics and now useful idiots in the media parrot their narrative because they sold their objectivity to the DNC long ago.
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None of this rebuts anything I said. Democrats passed 2 bills that helped Americans. Republicans refuse to even pass their own version, intentionally hurting Americans.
 
Cordelier said:
Well, I don't blame the Republicans for not acting on gun control... let's face it, we all know where they stand on the issue - so why would they waste valuable floor time and risk potential political embarrassment by bringing it to the floor?

But there doesn't seem to be the same excuse for stimulus... I think there's pretty broad consensus on both sides of the aisle that we need a stimulus bill... even if there are quantitative and qualitative differences on what that stimulus should entail. I think the problem there is a lack of Presidential leadership on the matter and Senator McConnell's skill set. He's very good at stopping legislation... but his skills on actually passing something are somewhat limited, to say the least.

Legislatively speaking, I think one of President Trump's biggest mistakes was not engineering a replacement of McConnell with Thune way back when he was first elected. Thune is very good a getting bills passed. I figured Trump would work against McConnell in the same way Bush engineered Trent Lott's replacement with Frist back in 2002... but that never happened, and it led to him being a much weaker legislative President than he should have been... even with his tendency to undercut Congressional Republicans. I think if he had Thune as his majority leader, he'd be in a much stronger position than he finds himself today.

But, like momma always said, "Stupid is as stupid does..."

From McConnell's perspective, I think it actually works to his advantage if Trump isn't re-elected... he stands a better chance of keeping his majority leader position as an steadfast opponent to a President Biden than as a spear-carrier for a 2nd term President Trump.
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Trumps biggest mistake was not purging the party and the administrative agencies.

I would’ve been firing people by the tens of thousands
 
It depends on how long Don says it will take.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Trumps biggest mistake was not purging the party and the administrative agencies.

I would’ve been firing people by the tens of thousands
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Uh-huh... because we all know how little regard you Trump supporters have for the rule of law and competent governance. You'd want to wind the clock back to before the passage of the Pendleton Act and just stock the civil service with a bunch of patronage hacks.
 
rahl said:
None of this rebuts anything I said. Democrats passed 2 bills that helped Americans. Republicans refuse to even pass their own version, intentionally hurting Americans.
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Nope, they passed 2 bills that help Democrat interests, if they really cared they would do so without the fluff.

Democrats blocked the Senate bill, quit trying to bullshit your way past the truth.
 
presluc said:
Sorry, I must have missed the Senate stimulus bill.
I recall the House bill submitted by Pelosi, but I saw no stimulus package submitted by the Senate or the Republicans.
If this is true and there is no Republican stimulus package.
Then why would Democrats vote down a bill that they wrote and support???
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Because the Senate bill was slimmed down, Democrats didn't write it. Like I said, neither side wants to give the other win so they are blocking each other, the people be damned.
 
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