Ignoring the fluff and straw in your comment: Progressives aren't warriors, cold nor hot.You're easily confused so I'll just say I've always liked the late Sen. Henry Jackson of Washington State who was a Democrat and Cold Warrior and a domestic liberal.
I was a Cold Warrior and a domestic liberal yet now I'm combatting American Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarian Rightists each of whom has become what we fought against successfully throughout the 20th century to defeat. My father and uncles fought fascism in The Big One and my mother did USN torpedo firing mechanisms (which became quite the headache for a while there).
So I'm a post yuppie Progressive instead of being a soft as a grape liberal bleeding heart, luv 'em all as I still do. I myself recall many peers such as yourself back in the day, ie, those who know it all while still having a lot to learn.
I'm not avoiding facing the "fact" because it's not a provable fact that the Chinese government is committing genocide, especially considering the issues with vary definitions of genocide, which you utilize to avoid being critical of America, it seems. You're avoiding questioning and testing your beliefs, and engaging in a good faith discussion/debate.You still desperately flail about trying to avoid facing the fact that China is committing genocide.
ONLY because they were valuable property that made people wealthy. Was their culture respected? Hell no. They were taken from their culture declared subhuman and turned into slaves by inhumane people. While the term 'genocide' does bring up thoughts of massive amounts of murder, that's not the only characteristic. Has the Chinese government committed massive amounts of murder on the Uhygur people? As far as we know, no. Are the Uhygur people being mistreated worse than the chattel slaves were? I don't think so.
I'm not avoiding facing the "fact" because it's not a provable fact that the Chinese government is committing genocide, especially considering the issues with vary definitions of genocide, which you utilize to avoid being critical of America, it seems. You're avoiding questioning and testing your beliefs, and engaging in a good faith discussion/debate.
Your durable item thing is pretty good. The environmental aspects of manufactured things is a big concern, so that should be a big part of making better stuff. I've heard that the reason that PV solar is being installed like it is is because the cost became favorable due to a lot of the components being made in China.We've spent the last four decades decimating our domestic manufacturing and helping China become "the world's factory" so we could buy cheap and poorly made consumer goods at Walmart, and now suddenly we're going to blast them for our own greed and largesse?
Get back to me when we remember how to build durable American products that last for a decade or more to justify the higher prices, at a level where it once again SHIFTS consumer thinking in favor of domestically manufactured products enough that we do not NEED China's output and are no longer hostage to it.
If China is a threat it's because our own greed and shortsightedness HELPED them BECOME one.
We CANNOT duplicate China's manufacturing, but the solution is to do things the way they DON'T.
Consumers understand value in many different ways. And it's not difficult to reeducate them to appreciate different ways of expressing value.
Once upon a time the world bought consumer goods designed to last.
They were expensive but they were durable, well made and designed to be both repaired and upgraded.
Chinese consumer products are designed to be disposable.
What specific pieces of evidence provide sufficient proof? GW and fiends said there was undeniable proof that there were WMDs, and that's highly questionable. Governments, media, people say a lot of unfounded stuff for different reasons. And I am going to keep using the word ALLEGED because of these things. I haven't denied that genocide is happening in China, not even once.Except we have large amounts of evidence already proving it.
Again, I've never said it's not genocide. You're the one that's saying chattel slavery and Native American abuse isn't genocide.If the efforts to wipe out Uighur culture don’t qualify as genocide in your book, then, quite frankly, neither can what happened to the Native Americans at reservation schools.
Yes, you are.I am pointing out the simple fact that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang
and you are shrieking in horror and hurling anything you can think of at the wall in hopes it will stick.
If being progressive means being an apologist for the genocidal thugs in Beijing, then perhaps it’s a good thing progressives keep losing.
Your durable item thing is pretty good. The environmental aspects of manufactured things is a big concern, so that should be a big part of making better stuff. I've heard that the reason that PV solar is being installed like it is is because the cost became favorable due to a lot of the components being made in China.
I didn't move my domestic manufacturing overseas.
Modern society in general is based on things being disposable.
One of the biggest things is that we don't need to think in terms of global competition. Much more cooperation needs to happen. A good portion of world problems are due to unhealthy competition. "Trust but verify" comes to mind.
Progress on China's 3rd carrier. This one is a fair bit bigger than Liaoning and Shandong (Approx 85,000 to 100,000 tons) and features a flat deck with electromagnetic catapults.
Close-Up Photo Shows China’s New Aircraft Carrier Rapidly Taking Shape
China's first truly indigenous carrier, which will be the third flattop for the People’s Liberation Army Navy, boasts massive capability enhancements.www.thedrive.com
Ignoring the fluff and straw in your comment: Progressives aren't warriors, cold nor hot.
One thing you must always keep in mind is that this system has largely been thrust upon us by the rich and powerful and their corporations who were enticed by cheap labour, and an absence of environmental and workplace regulation in developing countries, as well as the overwhelming majority of complicit politicos in both parties who were more than happy to take campaign funds and lobbyist dinners in exchange for aiding and abetting mass deindustrialization, globalization and export of manufacturing, and giving these entities a blank cheque to do as they pleased, while slashing their taxes, punching exploitable holes in tax law, and engaging in creeping and often dangerous deregulation.We've spent the last four decades decimating our domestic manufacturing and helping China become "the world's factory" so we could buy cheap and poorly made consumer goods at Walmart, and now suddenly we're going to blast them for our own greed and largesse?
Get back to me when we remember how to build durable American products that last for a decade or more to justify the higher prices, at a level where it once again SHIFTS consumer thinking in favor of domestically manufactured products enough that we do not NEED China's output and are no longer hostage to it.
If China is a threat it's because our own greed and shortsightedness HELPED them BECOME one.
We CANNOT duplicate China's manufacturing, but the solution is to do things the way they DON'T.
Consumers understand value in many different ways. And it's not difficult to reeducate them to appreciate different ways of expressing value.
Once upon a time the world bought consumer goods designed to last.
They were expensive but they were durable, well made and designed to be both repaired and upgraded.
Chinese consumer products are designed to be disposable.
To use just a few examples....(part one)What specific pieces of evidence provide sufficient proof? GW and fiends said there was undeniable proof that there were WMDs, and that's highly questionable. Governments, media, people say a lot of unfounded stuff for different reasons. And I am going to keep using the word ALLEGED because of these things. I haven't denied that genocide is happening in China, not even once.
Even if there is 100% proof, the issue I'm discussing is: What is going to be done about it? As I keep saying, I'm for stopping (preferably preventing) all human rights abuses. Are you going to keep repeating your "No you're not!" canned response?
Again, I've never said it's not genocide. You're is pretty effed up.
What specific pieces of evidence provide sufficient proof? GW and fiends said there was undeniable proof that there were WMDs, and that's highly questionable.
What specific pieces of evidence provide sufficient proof? GW and fiends said there was undeniable proof that there were WMDs, and that's highly questionable. Governments, media, people say a lot of unfounded p.
Chuckle.Here's a news bulletin for you as a CCP-PRC China Chauffer who always gives the DictatorTyrants in Beijing a free ride while you relentlessly attack the United States.
USA had 32 aircraft carrier battle groups in the Pacific during WW II.
CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing have to settle for 4 carriers presently and foreseeably. This is due to Chinese lack of expertise and competence in making 'em, budgeting 'em and sending 'em out with inferior striking power and credibility.
USN has 11 carrier strike groups as they're called these dayze that assert American Naval power and global reach. With the Biden administration there are three carrier strike forces assigned to the western Pacific to include the South China Sea.
You yourself are a hard core China Fanboy who dismisses, denies, decries the USA that is the last best hope for mankind. Which means you are going down with the PLA Navy fleets when the time comes -- and come it will.
Bye.
What specific pieces of evidence provide sufficient proof? GW and fiends said there was undeniable proof that there were WMDs, and that's highly questionable. Governments, media, people say a lot of unfounded stuff for different reasons. And I am going to keep using the word ALLEGED because of these things. I haven't denied that genocide is happening in China, not even once.
Even if there is 100% proof, the issue I'm discussing is: What is going to be done about it? As I keep saying, I'm for stopping (preferably preventing) all human rights abuses. Are you going to keep repeating your "No you're not!" canned response?
Again, I've never said it's not genocide. You're the one that's saying chattel slavery and Native American abuse isn't genocide.
Yes, you are.
I'm not doing any of that, that's your melodramatic shtick. I've been consistent in my views, and my views are solid.
I'm glad you ~asked because that's not what being progressive means. Progressive policies are in the forefront. Progressive policy happens all the time. Parts of the ~founding of the US are progressive. The early Republican Party was a progressive third party. Progress is where it's at, or should be, but conservative people are trying to hold on to their power. It pretty much boils down to: Are we going to progress or are we going to go the way of the dodo? The planet and humanity is pretty effed up.
You're easily confused so I'll just say I've always liked the late Sen. Henry Jackson of Washington State who was a Democrat and Cold Warrior and a domestic liberal.
I was a Cold Warrior and a domestic liberal yet now I'm combatting American Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarian Rightists each of whom has become what we fought against successfully throughout the 20th century to defeat. My father and uncles fought fascism in The Big One and my mother did USN torpedo firing mechanisms (which became quite the headache for a while there).
So I'm a post yuppie Progressive instead of being a soft as a grape liberal bleeding heart, luv 'em all as I still do. I myself recall many peers such as yourself back in the day, ie, those who know it all while still having a lot to learn.
Chuckle.
You forgot to add "shitty white progressives".
You know the kind, like Glenn Greenwald and Jimmy Dore?
"The best part of being a shitty white male "progressive" is never admitting you were wrong.
When Greenwald finally says he's voting for a Republican, all of his little shitty white "progressive" fanboys are going to both blame us for "forcing" Greenwald to do it and say it's not really wrong because something something "Democrats are just as bad" blablabla."
(hat tip to Justin Rosario)
And here's your previous answer for what to do about the alleged genocide:To use just a few examples....(part one)
and (part two)
Tigerace117 said:At the end of the day, the best the outside world can do for the victims of the genocide in Xinjiang is opposing the CPC’s crimes at every turn ...
Your commentary is getting worse.In other sounds you have zero substantive reply or answer.
You are a Chauffer of the CCP while you expend your considerable Chauffer's free time and focus on assailing the United States.
Your are a China Chauffer because you 100% give the CCP-PRC a free ride while attacking the United States always and only.
You are a China Fanboy. Completely and always no matter what.
Man, those Indians sure screwed over the European settlers.
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"The genocide of indigenous peoples is the mass destruction of entire communities of indigenous peoples.[Note 1] Indigenous peoples are understood to be people whose historical and current territory has become occupied by colonial expansion, or the formation of a state by a dominant group such as a colonial power.[1]
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Some scholars, among them Lemkin, have argued that cultural genocide, sometimes called ethnocide, should also be recognized. A people group may continue to exist, but if it is prevented from perpetuating its group identity by prohibitions of its cultural and religious practices, practices which are the basis of its group identity, this may also be considered a form of genocide. Examples of this form of genocide include the treatment of Tibetans and Uyghurs by the Government of China, and Native Americans by the government of the United States and First Nations peoples by the Canadian government.[7][8][9][10]"
And here's your previous answer for what to do about the alleged genocide:
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