How large a threat do you view China?

[cpwill]

Nice sentiment, but how? Militarily again?

If a deal is flawed, work with it, don't nix it.
Check out China's Silk Road and construction projects in Africa.
While the U.S. sets up military bases around the world, China is expanding it's economic influence and winning hearts with construction projects.

You think that's what it does?

You may want to look more closely into those Belt initiatives, and the local impacts.

 

[cpwill]

Who's going to try to stop the alleged genocide in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in Northwest China and how are they going to do it?

Highlighting it constantly and making it a source of shame, restriction, and loss for the CCP members associated with it sounds like a good first set of steps.

Soviet Prisoners were sometimes kept alive solely because of Western interest in them.



Anyone who wonders what they would have done about Germany in the late 30s - whatever you are doing about China now? That's probably about what you would have done.

 

[Antiwar]

Highlighting it constantly and making it a source of shame, restriction, and loss for the CCP members associated with it sounds like a good first set of steps.

Soviet Prisoners were sometimes kept alive solely because of Western interest in them.



Anyone who wonders what they would have done about Germany in the late 30s - whatever you are doing about China now? That's probably about what you would have done.

That doesn't sound the least bit effective. So, if the Chinese government truly wants to commit genocide, it will commit genocide.

 

[Tigerace117]

That doesn't sound the lease bit effective. So, if the Chinese government truly wants to commit genocide, it will commit genocide.

The Chinese government IS committing genocide. Your unwillingness to face that fact doesn’t change it.

 

[Antiwar]

At the end of the day, the best the outside world can do for the victims of the genocide in Xinjiang is opposing the CPC’s crimes at every turn and protecting other nations, like Taiwan, from being conquered by the genocidal thugs.

What does "opposing the CPC's crimes at every turn" mean and when is it going to happen? Or is it already happening? Give some details because to me it sounds like diddly squat will be done to try to stop the alleged genocide. I'm not talking about parking boats off of China's coast, sanctions, nor protecting Taiwan.

 

[Tigerace117]

What does "opposing the CPC's crimes at every turn" mean and when is it going to happen? Or is it already happening? Give some details because to me it sounds like diddly squat will be done to try to stop the alleged genocide.

It’s already starting to happen, and it revolves around doing exactly that. Calling them out on the genocide they are committing, divesting from so many economic ties, and protecting nations like Taiwan at risk from Chinese aggression, to use just three examples.

Again, your unwillingness to accept that fact that China is committing genocide doesn’t change the fact that it’s happening.

 

[Tangmo]

The world did nothing about the genocide in China in the 50s, either.

Nixon & Kissinger stopped the former Russian USSR from nuking China which was no small feat, in 1969.

Your ignoring Russia and also contemporary Chinese belligerence and bellicosity under Xi Jinping makes you oblivious to real world factors. Your ignorance of Russian and Chinese dictatorships is complete, reckless and dangerous. You never address either of 'em.

CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing mix nuclear and conventional weapons and forces which the USA and Russia have never done as doctrine or policy. This mixing makes it difficult to assess when Beijing might use nuclear weapons large or small, or both. This is the direct opposite of the USA and Russia that have consistently made reasonably clear when, where, why, each might go nuclear.

Beijing is deliberately mucking up this historical clarity that existed throughout the Cold War and until the self appointed Chinese commander in chief Xi Jinping. Your 100% focus against the USA while giving a free ride to Beijing and Moscow is a gross failure of any awareness of the global geostrategic factors of the present and of the foreseeable immediate future. So I am posting this to blow out your tires for you because it's the only way to bring you to a stop.

 

[Antiwar]

It’s already starting to happen, and it revolves around doing exactly that. Calling them out on the genocide they are committing, divesting from so many economic ties

Do you have any examples that might work to actually stop the alleged genocide?

 

[Antiwar]

Nixon & Kissinger stopped the former Russian USSR from nuking China which was no small feat, in 1969.

Your ignoring Russia and also contemporary Chinese belligerence and bellicosity under Xi Jinping makes you oblivious to real world factors. Your ignorance of Russian and Chinese dictatorships is complete, reckless and dangerous. You never address wither of 'em.

CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing mix nuclear and conventional weapons and forces which the USA and Russia have never done as doctrine or policy. This mixing makes it difficult to assess when Beijing might use nuclear weapons large or small, or both. This is the direct opposite of the USA and Russia that have always made clear when, where, why, each might go nuclear.

Beijing is deliberately mucking up this historical clarity that existed throughout the Cold War and until the self appointed Chinese commander in chief Xi Jinping. Your 100% focus against the USA while giving a free ride to Beijing and Moscow is a gross failure of any awareness of the global geostrategic factors of the present and of the foreseeable immediate future. So I am posting this to blow out your tires for you because it's the only way to bring you to a stop.

You're trying to "blow out my tires" with straw and fluff.

 

[Tangmo]

China's military footprint and capabilities (death and destruction) are a fraction of the US's.

CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing are working round the clock to exceed anything you accuse the USA of doing past, present, future.

Your absolute silence about Russia and China more than suggests your approval if not your support of each autocratic dictatorship.

As you should be able to recognize, I myself oppose and challenge all enemies of the United States both foreign and domestic.

 

[Tangmo]

You're trying to "blow out my tires" with straw and fluff.

Nay as you huff and puff and try to blow the USA down while giving Moscow and Beijing a free ride.

You are The Chauffer rather than being the self appointed Mr. Antiwar.

So honk again if you love Moscow and Beijing and hate the USA.

 

[Antiwar]

I myself oppose and challenge all enemies of the United States both foreign and domestic.

And you're doing a spectacular job.

 

[Lovebug]

Huge, but predictable.

 

[Tangmo]

And you're doing a spectacular job.

Kindly save your applause till the end thx.

Your post does suggest the end is near.

You're all horn and no brakes, at least until now as you have finally begun to slow it down a bit.

Gotta stop running those red lights though.

 

[Antiwar]

Kindly save your applause till the end thx.

Your post does suggest the end is near.

You're all horn and no brakes, at least until now as you have finally begun to slow it down a bit.

Gotta stop running those red lights though.

The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round.

 

[Tigerace117]

Do you have any examples that might work to actually stop the alleged genocide?

I already gave you examples of the only real options the international community has st it’s disposal. Given that you sob just as loudly about sanctions as you do actual warfare, your posturing and fanatical unwillingness to admit that there’s a genocide ongoing is laughable.

 

[Tangmo]

The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round.

Not for you The Chauffer they don't.

Is your chauffer's license from China or Russia?

Or one from both.

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Tangmo]

Sag.83:

The Chinese navy, while growing in technical capability at a modest rate, is still primarily a littoral waters navy trying to expand its littoral zone of effective operations deeper into the South China Sea and the Yellow Sea. Its primary focus is defensive (with the exception of the reunification of Taiwan) and as a naval force to intimidate its immediate littoral neighbour states like Vietnam and the Koreas. It's not really a blue water navy yet and will need a generation or two to build the necessary expertise and infrastructure to effectively project a moderate level of naval and naviation power past its littoral waters. It will not be able to challenge effectively the USN until well into the second half of the 21st Century.

This is why China is also investing so heavily into the transportation infrastructure of the Silk Road and One Belt One Road land-based networks to Central Asia, Russia, Persia and the Middle East/Africa. It cannot afford to be interdicted on the high seas so land links are more reliable for the foreseeable future.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

The "Silk Road" and Belt and Road are a classically Chinese grandiose nothing.

India in the South and at the critical sea areas said no.

Moscow is guarded against the intended northern routes and considers central Asia as its sphere of influence that is not to be disturbed.

Europe says no for as long as the CCP Boyz in Beijing continue to demand they do the construction work and move in thousands of Chinese to take up residence and do the work to include staying on afterward as traders and local merchants.

Asians across the continent know the projects are a debt trap designed to enable Beijing's state capture of the centers of a nation's economic, financial and political elites in their capitals.

The only country where serious work is underway is Pakistan that had to throw out the swarm of Chinese that took over the entire North of the country where the Pakistanis decided based on sovereign necessity to do the work themselves. Italy is cooperating somewhat but that's it at the European Med. Germany and Beijing have a freight rail line that connects directly but that will be it for Germany and China in any of the projects.

Many countries have signed on with the Silk Road / Belt and Road and they fastidiously attend the conferences in Shanghai where until the Wuhan Kung Flu they used to shake hands a lot but don't any more. Asia has zero intention of allowing CCP Boyz in Beijing to take control of entire swathes of their country and grab state capture of their local elites by these means.

Indeed he who listens to the Chinese pretend everything they do is perfect, smooth, orderly, systematic, unstoppable and indeed inevitable would also buy a bridge in Brooklyn from Fred Trump -- many probably did in fact. In present times they'd close out the deal with Trump's personal lawyer Rudi Giuliani besides who's much like the Chinese themselves, ie, their only truth is no truth in a chamber full of blue smoke and mirrors.

 

[Tangmo]

I have said this before but I expect China to be the regional power in pretty short order.

I imagine the Indian Ocean will be what the Mediterranean was to Rome.

The big question mark is Japan. They have the ability to make nuclear weapons very quickly but of course are not allowed to but if they think the US will not protect them then they may just go ahead and make them.

I have a bridge for you to buy real cheap in Brooklyn.

Special for you today only.

Grab it now cause you can't miss on this one, same as you can't miss on the inevitability of the Chinese becoming Masters of the Universe.

 

[Antiwar]

I already gave you examples of the only real options the international community has st it’s disposal. Given that you sob just as loudly about sanctions as you do actual warfare, your posturing and fanatical unwillingness to admit that there’s a genocide ongoing is laughable.

It sounds like your plans to stop the alleged genocide are to ask the Chinese to stop it or else we'll stop buying Chinese exports, stop American manufacturing in China deals, and stop borrowing money. All of your hooting and hollering about the alleged genocide is for naught.

Economic sanctions in the Middle East have punished innocent victims. The boneheaded theory is that the civilians will get fed up and get rid of their alleged oppressive government. Many innocent people have died due to these sanctions in the past 20 years. How many innocent people has the Chinese government killed in the past 20 years?

 

[Grand Mal]

NATO seems quite concerned.

Nato warns of military challenge posed by China https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57466210

China isn't a threat. It's an inevitability.

 

[Tigerace117]

It sounds like your plans to stop the alleged genocide are to ask the Chinese to stop it or else we'll stop buying Chinese exports, stop American manufacturing in China deals, and stop borrowing money. All of your hooting and hollering about the alleged genocide is for naught.

Economic sanctions in the Middle East have punished innocent victims. The boneheaded theory is that the civilians will get fed up and get rid of their alleged oppressive government. Many innocent people have died due to these sanctions in the past 20 years. How many innocent people has the Chinese government killed in the past 20 years?

It sounds like you are flailing about yet again because you are outraged anyone would hold the CPC accountable for the genocide they are committing.

You being horrified that the US won’t let brutal dictators gas their own people with impunity is as pathetic as ever.

But hey, way to confirm, once again, that you couldn’t care less about victims of the ongoing genocide in Xinjiang.

 

[Sagittarius83]

I have a bridge for you to buy real cheap in Brooklyn.

Special for you today only.

Grab it now cause you can't miss on this one, same as you can't miss on the inevitability of the Chinese becoming Masters of the Universe.

Masters of the region. And a military power to be reckoned with whether you wish to deal with it or not.
Reread Orphanslug’s post.

 

[Sagittarius83]

The US also has seen 1-2 million murders from guns in the past 50 years. Not to mention the hundreds of thousand dead abroad in useless wars (except WW1 and 2).

Alltogether a very high death toll too, even if not a Holocaust or another genocide.

The US politicians lack of implementing universal health care has also led to millions of preventable deaths, which could also be seen as a genocide. For not willing to provide American citizens health care (a basic human right).

Most gun deaths in the US are suicides. The majority of the remainder are the criminal element killing each other and that is fine with me.
Mass killings are tragic and make the news much more than gangbangers and drug beefs but they make up a very small proportion of the total gun deaths

 

[Sagittarius83]

Seems like people prefer to ignore growing military threats in favor of dithering over things like climate change.
This is likely because they feel that man controlled the climate in a bad way so they can now control it in a good way.
In both cases people give mankind too much credit for control.
This is likely why they feel they can control microorganisms like the COVID virus.
Sorry but nature still trumps human beings.
Military threats however can be dealt with if there is a political will and acceptance of the threat.
People ignored the military threat of the Nazis as well.
Nothing new here.