How large a threat do you view China?

[Phys251]

I don't think this is news at all.
China is the main rival of the United States on the world stage.
Personally, I think the United States will lose the race of competition with China... to my disappointment, of course, I write this. I am not a fan of the United States and I am not one of those Russians who worship American sacred democracy, but the values of the West are much closer to me than the Chinese ones.

Go fix your shitty government before ragging about ours.

 

[Phys251]

AH YES, the Red Menace.

Fear of the Red Menace brought ya wars in Vietnam and Korea.

Our fear at the time was Communism from the Soviet Union. Less so from China.

YET - let's all buy our jeans from China and ship them our hazardous waste.

THERE ARE solutions y'all - such as bolstering our alliances in the Pacific - example would be the TPP - but having Trump nix it sure didn't help our cause to box in China.

Good point.

One thing I do fault Obama for was his poor sale of the TPP. It was more strategic than economic, but Obama tried to sell it the other way around.

 

[Phys251]

The thing is 2 hours long, and you yourself already said it discusses China itself for only 5% of it.

Sorry, I do not go into "White Man's Burden" and beating myself up over the past. I reserve that for people like you to do.

The effects of racism persist to this day no matter how much white people angrily demand that they don't.

 

[Oozlefinch]

in the stolen land that became the United States

Yet another perfect example of how you know nothing of which you were talking about.

To the Indian cultures, you could not "steal land". This is because you also could not "own land". They found the very concept silly and amusing, as even the most agrarian rarely stayed in an area for longer than 5-10 years. The very concept that somebody could own anything beyond what they could carry on their back was insanity to them. You could no more "own the land" than you could own the river, sky, or deer.

Hell, look at the history of the earliest contacts on the East Coast. Largely peaceful, and most times if some settlers want to inhabit an area, they went to the local tribe and simply asked for permission. Most times it was granted, sometimes with a payment of trade goods. And as these tribes rarely stayed beyond a few years, they happily moved on to another area, richer and laughing at the silliness of the "Whites".

Hell, even the most famous of these "land purchases" was a giant scam, done by the Indians. In 1626, Peter Minuit landed in what is now Manhattan, and after looking he found a band of Indians hunting there. He entered into negotiations, and "bought" the entire island for $24 in trinkets (about $1,000 today). But the funniest thing is, he bought it from the Canarsees, who did not even live there! That was actually land occupied by the Weckquaesgeeks. They of course became incensed, but Minuit entered into negotiations with them, and gave them $24 worth of trade goods in exchange for Staten Island and their claim on Manhattan. And satisfied, the Weckquaesgeeks happily moved on.

Quite literally, what happened would be repeated centuries later when scam artists would "Sell the Brooklyn Bridge".

I can only imagine you are not Indian at all, and never lived near a reservation. I am, and have. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and are just parroting things you were told by others. And if there was an "Indian Genocide", it was the worst one in the history of the planet. At the turn of the 19th century, there were around 600,000 Indians in North America. Today, we number in excess of 5 million. I have never heard of a "genocide" where many times the number exist after the genocide itself.

 

[Fabiusbile]

Go fix your shitty government before ragging about ours.

The famous freedom of speech... standard!

 

[Evilroddy]

NATO seems quite concerned.

Nato warns of military challenge posed by China https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57466210

Sag.83:

To other nation-states, not much of a threat" with the level of threat inversely proportional to the distance to the frontiers of China. To China's own people and to ethnic/religious minorities living in China, a very big threat. To foreign nationals living and working in China, a significant threat. To the World order and global peace, a growing threat but still mild at this point in time. As the object of Western paranoia, envy and greed which could trigger military conflict from the Western World, an imminent and high risk (threat), by inciting violence directed against it.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Sagittarius83]

Sag.83:

To other nation-states, not much of a threat" with the level of threat inversely proportional to the distance to the frontiers of China. To China's own people and to ethnic/religious minorities living in China, a very big threat. To foreign nationals living and working in China, a significant threat. To the World order and global peace, a growing threat but still mild at this point in time. As the object of Western paranoia, envy and greed which could trigger military conflict from the Western World, an imminent and high risk (threat), by inciting violence directed against it.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I largely agree but with an expanding blue water navy with ships that can carry nukes and an increasing ICBM capability they are beginning to be at least a potential threat to most of the world. More troubling is their expansion into Africa and their capacity to control strategic minerals found nowhere else and this could be an enormous flashpoint.
They do have the capacity to raise up to 200 million soldiers and this could be big trouble for Russia.
I simply try to boycott Chinese goods which is still possible here but virtually impossible in the US.
I have never found a quality Chinese item ever!

 

[Oozlefinch]

I largely agree but with an expanding blue water navy with ships that can carry nukes and an increasing ICBM capability they are beginning to be at least a potential threat to most of the world. More troubling is their expansion into Africa and their capacity to control strategic minerals found nowhere else and this could be an enormous flashpoint.
They do have the capacity to raise up to 200 million soldiers and this could be big trouble for Russia.
I simply try to boycott Chinese goods which is still possible here but virtually impossible in the US.
I have never found a quality Chinese item ever!

Actually, they are not even really a "Blue Water Navy". Their capability to conduct "fleet operations" is more akin to what the US could do after the Revolutionary War.

Their "patrols" are more akin to what the Coast Guard does in most countries. Normally for only a few weeks, as single ships operating alone. They almost never put together more than 3 or 4 ships at a single time, and once again only for a month or so before they return to port. That is not a "Blue Water Navy" at all. That is an up-gunned coast guard.

Yes, they are building more ships, that is very true. But they have yet to ever actually use them like a "Navy". Even a Pre-WWI Japanese fleet would have laughed at that.

Hell, just last month the Liaoning sailed out for the first time in 2 years with her "escort fleet" for a 2 week exercise. The US of course knew it was going to happen, and were observing it from the moment it left port, during the 2 weeks it was at sea, and all the way back to port. The Liaoning, 3 destroyers, and a frigate. Total time at sea, about 3 weeks. And while some screamed it was a sign of aggression, most experts simply chuckled at how "cute" it was.

A similar US Carrier Group has a cruiser, 3-5 destroyers or frigates, and 1-3 LA or Virginia class attack submarines. Not to mention the carrier has almost 4 times the number of fighters. And while they left port and played games for 2 weeks, the US sends it's fleets out for 6-10 months at a time.

And no boycotting Chinese goods would be very possible for the US. Very few are actually "needed", and almost all are easily replaced. It is not like the iPhone and cheap COSCO furniture is a critical necessity to the country.

 

[Antiwar]

Yet another perfect example of how you know nothing of which you were talking about.

To the Indian cultures, you could not "steal land". This is because you also could not "own land". They found the very concept silly and amusing, as even the most agrarian rarely stayed in an area for longer than 5-10 years. The very concept that somebody could own anything beyond what they could carry on their back was insanity to them. You could no more "own the land" than you could own the river, sky, or deer.

Hell, look at the history of the earliest contacts on the East Coast. Largely peaceful, and most times if some settlers want to inhabit an area, they went to the local tribe and simply asked for permission. Most times it was granted, sometimes with a payment of trade goods. And as these tribes rarely stayed beyond a few years, they happily moved on to another area, richer and laughing at the silliness of the "Whites".

Hell, even the most famous of these "land purchases" was a giant scam, done by the Indians. In 1626, Peter Minuit landed in what is now Manhattan, and after looking he found a band of Indians hunting there. He entered into negotiations, and "bought" the entire island for $24 in trinkets (about $1,000 today). But the funniest thing is, he bought it from the Canarsees, who did not even live there! That was actually land occupied by the Weckquaesgeeks. They of course became incensed, but Minuit entered into negotiations with them, and gave them $24 worth of trade goods in exchange for Staten Island and their claim on Manhattan. And satisfied, the Weckquaesgeeks happily moved on.

Quite literally, what happened would be repeated centuries later when scam artists would "Sell the Brooklyn Bridge".

I can only imagine you are not Indian at all, and never lived near a reservation. I am, and have. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and are just parroting things you were told by others. And if there was an "Indian Genocide", it was the worst one in the history of the planet. At the turn of the 19th century, there were around 600,000 Indians in North America. Today, we number in excess of 5 million. I have never heard of a "genocide" where many times the number exist after the genocide itself.

Man, those Indians sure screwed over the European settlers.

Population history of the Indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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"The genocide of indigenous peoples is the mass destruction of entire communities of indigenous peoples.[Note 1] Indigenous peoples are understood to be people whose historical and current territory has become occupied by colonial expansion, or the formation of a state by a dominant group such as a colonial power.[1]

...

Some scholars, among them Lemkin, have argued that cultural genocide, sometimes called ethnocide, should also be recognized. A people group may continue to exist, but if it is prevented from perpetuating its group identity by prohibitions of its cultural and religious practices, practices which are the basis of its group identity, this may also be considered a form of genocide. Examples of this form of genocide include the treatment of Tibetans and Uyghurs by the Government of China, and Native Americans by the government of the United States and First Nations peoples by the Canadian government.[7][8][9][10]"

Genocide of Indigenous peoples - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Evilroddy]

I largely agree but with an expanding blue water navy with ships that can carry nukes and an increasing ICBM capability they are beginning to be at least a potential threat to most of the world. More troubling is their expansion into Africa and their capacity to control strategic minerals found nowhere else and this could be an enormous flashpoint.
They do have the capacity to raise up to 200 million soldiers and this could be big trouble for Russia.
I simply try to boycott Chinese goods which is still possible here but virtually impossible in the US.
I have never found a quality Chinese item ever!

Sag.83:

The Chinese navy, while growing in technical capability at a modest rate, is still primarily a littoral waters navy trying to expand its littoral zone of effective operations deeper into the South China Sea and the Yellow Sea. Its primary focus is defensive (with the exception of the reunification of Taiwan) and as a naval force to intimidate its immediate littoral neighbour states like Vietnam and the Koreas. It's not really a blue water navy yet and will need a generation or two to build the necessary expertise and infrastructure to effectively project a moderate level of naval and naviation power past its littoral waters. It will not be able to challenge effectively the USN until well into the second half of the 21st Century.

This is why China is also investing so heavily into the transportation infrastructure of the Silk Road and One Belt One Road land-based networks to Central Asia, Russia, Persia and the Middle East/Africa. It cannot afford to be interdicted on the high seas so land links are more reliable for the foreseeable future.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Tigerace117]

The comparison I want is between the European mistreatment of the peoples (the major victims include Native Americans, African American slaves, and Mexicans) in the stolen land that became the United States (which was often if not always perpetrated and supported by whatever governments and/or lack thereof that had power) and the current alleged case of genocide being committed by the Chinese government.

Chattel slavery was genocide. The mistreatment of Native Americans was genocide.

I am all for ending (preferably preventing) human rights abuses globally, including those committed by the US government. You?


Yes, 90% of Native Americans died from smallpox. Whether there were major cases of intentional spread, it is not fully known. The "settlers" committed genocide on the remaining 10%. If disease had not killed the overwhelming majority of the population, would the "settlers" have treated the population any differently than they treated the 10%? That's highly unlikely.

There was no genocide against African Americans, no matter how many times you repeat the question. Mexican-Americans faced discrimination, yes, but they didn’t face “genocide” either. And, quite frankly, most of the land the United States had taken had already been stolen from its rightful inhabitants in the first place years— even centuries— earlier. Which raises the question, of course, of how much of this is people complaining about the US “kidnapping what they’d rightfully stolen”, to quote the Princess Bride.

Even if we ONLY look at the ongoing genocide in Xinjiang, the Chinese government’s abuses still dwarf those of the US.

No, slavery was not genocide. There was no effort to wipe out African American culture and no effort to systematically destroy the African American community. I get that you are desperate, but you should really learn what qualifies as genocide before you start throwing the term around.

You aren’t interested in “preventing human rights abuses globally”; you can’t even face the fact that there’s a genocide ongoing in Xinjiang. What you ARE interested in is engaging in whataboutism to provide support for the People’s Republic of China.

Yes, there is no strong historical evidence to support the idea of any sort of deliberate spread. As I said before. Engaging in hypotheticals does not change the fact you can’t declare the deaths from smallpox to be “genocide”

 

[Tigerace117]

Man, those Indians sure screwed over the European settlers.

Population history of the Indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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"The genocide of indigenous peoples is the mass destruction of entire communities of indigenous peoples.[Note 1] Indigenous peoples are understood to be people whose historical and current territory has become occupied by colonial expansion, or the formation of a state by a dominant group such as a colonial power.[1]

...

Some scholars, among them Lemkin, have argued that cultural genocide, sometimes called ethnocide, should also be recognized. A people group may continue to exist, but if it is prevented from perpetuating its group identity by prohibitions of its cultural and religious practices, practices which are the basis of its group identity, this may also be considered a form of genocide. Examples of this form of genocide include the treatment of Tibetans and Uyghurs by the Government of China, and Native Americans by the government of the United States and First Nations peoples by the Canadian government.[7][8][9][10]"

Genocide of Indigenous peoples - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your literal own source points out the fact that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang(and Tibet). You no longer have any room to shriek “alleged” over and over.

 

[Sagittarius83]

Sag.83:

The Chinese navy, while growing in technical capability at a modest rate, is still primarily a littoral waters navy trying to expand its littoral zone of effective operations deeper into the South China Sea and the Yellow Sea. Its primary focus is defensive (with the exception of the reunification of Taiwan) and as a naval force to intimidate its immediate littoral neighbour states like Vietnam and the Koreas. It's not really a blue water navy yet and will need a generation or two to build the necessary expertise and infrastructure to effectively project a moderate level of naval and naviation power past its littoral waters. It will not be able to challenge effectively the USN until well into the second half of the 21st Century.

This is why China is also investing so heavily into the transportation infrastructure of the Silk Road and One Belt One Road land-based networks to Central Asia, Russia, Persia and the Middle East/Africa. It cannot afford to be interdicted on the high seas so land links are more reliable for the foreseeable future.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I have said this before but I expect China to be the regional power in pretty short order.

I imagine the Indian Ocean will be what the Mediterranean was to Rome.

The big question mark is Japan. They have the ability to make nuclear weapons very quickly but of course are not allowed to but if they think the US will not protect them then they may just go ahead and make them.

 

[Antiwar]

There was no genocide against African Americans, no matter how many times you repeat the question. Mexican-Americans faced discrimination, yes, but they didn’t face “genocide” either. And, quite frankly, most of the land the United States had taken had already been stolen from its rightful inhabitants in the first place years— even centuries— earlier. Which raises the question, of course, of how much of this is people complaining about the US “kidnapping what they’d rightfully stolen”, to quote the Princess Bride.

Even if we ONLY look at the ongoing genocide in Xinjiang, the Chinese government’s abuses still dwarf those of the US.

No, slavery was not genocide. There was no effort to wipe out African American culture and no effort to systematically destroy the African American community. I get that you are desperate, but you should really learn what qualifies as genocide before you start throwing the term around.

I'll do the comparison since you won't.

Africans were taken by force from their homeland and were kept as subhuman property to perform hard labor and were beaten, raped, killed, etc, etc. They had no rights. Their children had no rights. It was against the law to teach them how to read and write. Their families were destroyed. Was their culture destroyed? At a minimum, that's cultural genocide. Since they were very valuable property that is alleged to have produced more wealth than the industries of the North, of course they weren't attempting to completely slaughter them.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the Xinjiang internment camps:

The Xinjiang internment camps,[a] officially called Xinjiang Vocational Education and Training Centers (Chinese: 新疆职业技能教育培训中心[11]) by the government of China,[12][13][14][15] are internment camps operated by the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region government and its Chinese Communist Party (CCP) provincial committee. Human Rights Watch says that they have been used to indoctrinate Uyghurs and other Muslims since 2017 as part of a "people's war on terror," a policy announced in 2014.[2][16][17] The camps have been criticized for alleged human rights abuses, including mistreatment, rape, and torture by the governments of many countries and human rights organizations, with some of them alleging genocide.[18] However, the governments of some countries have expressed support for China's government by denying the allegations of genocide and justifying the existence of the camps.[19]​

According to you China is committing genocide but chattel slavery in America was not genocide. And the treatment of Native Americans was "a degree of genocide" because most of them died from diseases brought over by the "settlers." And, some scholars allege that smallpox was deliberately given to the Native Americans.

 

[Antiwar]

Your literal own source points out the fact that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang(and Tibet). You no longer have any room to shriek “alleged” over and over.

I bolded and enlarged the text specifically because it considers both the treatment of Native Americans in America to the treatment of Uhygurs in China as cultural genocide.

"Some scholars, among them Lemkin, have argued that cultural genocide, sometimes called ethnocide, should also be recognized. A people group may continue to exist, but if it is prevented from perpetuating its group identity by prohibitions of its cultural and religious practices, practices which are the basis of its group identity, this may also be considered a form of genocide. Examples of this form of genocide include the treatment of Tibetans and Uyghurs by the Government of China, and Native Americans by the government of the United States and First Nations peoples by the Canadian government.[7][8][9][10]"

 

[Tigerace117]

I'll do the comparison since you won't.

Africans were taken by force from their homeland and were kept as subhuman property to perform hard labor and were beaten, raped, killed, etc, etc. They had no rights. Their children had no rights. It was against the law to teach them how to read and write. Their families were destroyed. Was their culture destroyed? At a minimum, that's cultural genocide. Since they were very valuable property that is alleged to have produced more wealth than the industries of the North, of course they weren't attempting to completely slaughter them.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the Xinjiang internment camps:

The Xinjiang internment camps,[a] officially called Xinjiang Vocational Education and Training Centers (Chinese: 新疆职业技能教育培训中心[11]) by the government of China,[12][13][14][15] are internment camps operated by the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region government and its Chinese Communist Party (CCP) provincial committee. Human Rights Watch says that they have been used to indoctrinate Uyghurs and other Muslims since 2017 as part of a "people's war on terror," a policy announced in 2014.[2][16][17] The camps have been criticized for alleged human rights abuses, including mistreatment, rape, and torture by the governments of many countries and human rights organizations, with some of them alleging genocide.[18] However, the governments of some countries have expressed support for China's government by denying the allegations of genocide and justifying the existence of the camps.[19]​

According to you China is committing genocide but chattel slavery in America was not genocide.

Yes, they were slaves. By definition, they had no rights. Slavery does not automatically equate to genocide, no matter how much you flail.

Uh....no, their culture was not destroyed. African American culture survived the crucible of slavery intact and continued to grow and develop as the years continued. There was no concentrated effort to wipe out said culture(which is what cultural genocide is).

Which, again, is why your claim of “genocide” doesn’t hold water.

Yes, China is committing genocide. Yes, slavery in America does not qualify as genocide. Any more questions?

 

[Tigerace117]

I bolded and enlarged the text because it considers both the treatment of Native Americans in America to the treatment of Uhygurs in China as cultural genocide.

"Some scholars, among them Lemkin, have argued that cultural genocide, sometimes called ethnocide, should also be recognized. A people group may continue to exist, but if it is prevented from perpetuating its group identity by prohibitions of its cultural and religious practices, practices which are the basis of its group identity, this may also be considered a form of genocide. Examples of this form of genocide include the treatment of Tibetans and Uyghurs by the Government of China, and Native Americans by the government of the United States and First Nations peoples by the Canadian government.[7][8][9][10]"

Again, China is committing genocide in Xinjiang. I already addressed cultural genocide of Native Americans earlier in the thread.

You can shriek and flail all you want, but you can’t change the fact that China’s committing genocide.

 

[Antiwar]

You aren’t interested in “preventing human rights abuses globally”; you can’t even face the fact that there’s a genocide ongoing in Xinjiang.

I have said many times that I support investigating what's going on in China and stopping it if there are human rights abuse. There likely are human rights abuses. I am all for stopping (preferably preventing) human rights abuses everywhere through much better international systems of justice, instead of waiting until the alleged genocide is an undeniably confirmed genocide similar to the Holocaust, then bombing the shit out of China and wherever else potential WWIII happens. Maybe you're hoping that the US will drop nuclear weapons on cities in China since you missed out on all the other times the US government tested nuclear weapons on civilians.

You support posturing off the coast of China, and trying to prevent China from invading Taiwan. So, you are the one that's not interested in stopping the alleged genocide in China.

 

[OrphanSlug]

NATO seems quite concerned.

Nato warns of military challenge posed by China https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57466210

Well, lets see.

While we were focused on a horrific failure of a Middle East policy leaving nation after nation in a terrible condition, and dealing with Russia who literally has a GDP smaller than Canada we ignored China who quietly but solidly moved themselves into the 2nd largest economy in the world.

We rather stupidly spent a fortune on stealth fighters that sometimes work and overpriced warships we now intend to buy less of, China turned itself into having the largest active military service organization on the planet (it is not even close) *and* has the largest navy with the most active warships (again it is not even close.)

While we were watching the nation go from President OrangeGlow to President Gaffe, complaining about BLM vs White Nationalism, and seeing the social fabric of this nation in total chaos China engaged in arguably both the largest national infrastructure improvement program *and* the largest foreign infrastructure project (Africa) in history... all at the same time.

And China found a way to secure ownership of the most national debt of other nations, recently challenging Japan in that category.

I would offer we should take China more seriously.

Nah... forget it... lets go back to talking about Russia, Brexit and the EU, the useless UN and NATO, and the next fiasco in the greater Middle East region we intend to jump into.

 

[Sagittarius83]

Well, lets see.

While we were focused on a horrific failure of a Middle East policy leaving nation after nation in a terrible condition, and dealing with Russia who literally has a GDP smaller than Canada we ignored China who quietly but solidly moved themselves into the 2nd largest economy in the world.

We rather stupidly spent a fortune on stealth fighters that sometimes work and overpriced warships we now intend to buy less of, China turned itself into having the largest active military service organization on the planet (it is not even close) *and* has the largest navy with the most active warships (again it is not even close.)

While we were watching the nation go from President OrangeGlow to President Gaffe, complaining about BLM vs White Nationalism, and seeing the social fabric of this nation in total chaos China engaged in arguably both the largest national infrastructure improvement program *and* the largest foreign infrastructure project (Africa) in history... all at the same time.

And China found a way to secure ownership of the most national debt of other nations, recently challenging Japan in that category.

I would offer we should take China more seriously.

Nah... forget it... lets go back to talking about Russia, Brexit and the EU, the useless UN and NATO, and the next fiasco in the greater Middle East region we intend to jump into.

Perfectly said

 

[Tigerace117]

I have said many times that I support investigating what's going on in China and stopping it if there are human rights abuse. There likely are human rights abuses. I am all for stopping (preferably preventing) human rights abuses everywhere through much better international systems of justice, instead of waiting until the alleged genocide is an undeniably confirmed genocide similar to the Holocaust, then bombing the shit out of China and wherever else potential WWIII happens. Maybe you're hoping that the US will drop nuclear weapons on cities in China since you missed out on all the other times the US government tested nuclear weapons on civilians.

You support posturing off the coast of China, and trying to prevent China from invading Taiwan. So, you are the one that's not interested in stopping the alleged genocide in China.

It’s already been investigated, which is how we know about the ongoing genocide. You, meanwhile, can’t even bring yourself to admit the genocide is happening.

Yawn. Another day, another round of hysterics because people dare call out the CPC on the ongoing genocide. Given that you are happy to handwave away the tens of millions upon tens of millions of deaths caused by the CPC, your posturing is meaningless.

I support preventing millions of people from falling under the thumb of a genocidal dictatorship, yes, no matter how much you sob.

 

[Antiwar]

I support preventing millions of people from falling under the thumb of a genocidal dictatorship, yes, no matter how much you sob.

Who's going to try to stop the alleged genocide in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in Northwest China and how are they going to do it?

 

[Tigerace117]

Who's going to try to stop the alleged genocide in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in Northwest China and how are they going to do it?

At the end of the day, the best the outside world can do for the victims of the genocide in Xinjiang is opposing the CPC’s crimes at every turn and protecting other nations, like Taiwan, from being conquered by the genocidal thugs.

 

[Antiwar]

At the end of the day, the best the outside world can do for the victims of the genocide in Xinjiang is opposing the CPC’s crimes at every turn and protecting other nations, like Taiwan, from being conquered by the genocidal thugs.

Who's going to try to stop the alleged genocide in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in Northwest China and how are they going to do it?

 

[Tigerace117]

Who's going to try to stop the alleged genocide in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in Northwest China and how are they going to do it?

At the end of the day, the best the outside world can do for the victims of the genocide in Xinjiang is opposing the CPC’s crimes at every turn and protecting other nations, like Taiwan, from being conquered by the genocidal thugs.