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How I grew up and quit the Democrats

Robertinfremont said:
This nation would still be composed of ranches and farms were it not for capital.

We would not have railroads, airplanes, steel mills, factories, jet airplanes, tanks, and a lot more other than for capital.

We want a TV, we use capital.

We want to go on a vacation... we use capital

We want our home painted or the electrician to come help us, we need capital

If you hate Capital, how will you live.

When the Soviets formed, all they had on farms was dirt and seeds. What were they missing? Capital is what they lacked.
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Nobody said they hated anything. There has to be balance between labor and capital.

Think of the 1880's and the robber barons. Great progress was made. Labor was abused terribly. Unions rose and labor laws were passed

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Using unethical business practices, robber barons have exploited capitalism for personal gain.
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The unequal distribution of wealth remained high during this period. From 1860 to 1900, the wealthiest 2% of American households owned more than a third of the nation's wealth, while the top 10% owned roughly three quarters of it. The bottom 40% had no wealth at all.

The guilded age ended in depression

The Long Depression was a worldwide price and economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running either through March 1879, or 1896, depending on the metrics used. ... At 65 months, it is the longest-lasting contraction identified by the NBER, eclipsing the Great Depression's 43 months of contraction.

Now we get to the roaring 20's. We know how that ended up.

Income Gap
During the 1920s, the gap between the rich (Top 10% of citizens) and the poor (Bottom 90% of citizens) was at the highest it had ever been in United States history before that point. This was mostly due to the stock market boom that occurred during this time, as well as a massive confidence spike from investors in certain stocks.

There was also a mass belief that the United States was entering a state of prosperity for all; that it was "Too big to fail", so to speak. However, this was entirely a false idea, as 60% of all Americans during this time were below the poverty line (Textbook). Additionally, the 30% of the population that were not in poverty, and were not in the top 10% richest, only had a minor wealth gain of below 10%: a healthy amount, but certainly not "Roaring". As a whole, this false prosperity kept a majority of people from noticing the oncoming depression until it eventually occurred.

And here we are today

www.google.com

America's Wealth Inequality Is At Roaring Twenties Levels

What is the common denominator between U.S. wealth inequality during the Roaring Twenties and now? A massive stock market bubble.
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CaughtInThe said:
Southern Conservatives were not Democrats back in the day, correct?
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A slave owner is not displaying these features.

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(in a political context) favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.
 
I live in liberal land and there are two things I've noticed about them.

1) A disjointed sense of "fairness"
2) Belief in the collective over the individual - Someone should do something.....as long as its not them. The someone is government.

I don't know if it was Reagan or someone else who said that liberals were always willing to give the shirt off someone else's back.
 
Robertinfremont said:
A slave owner is not displaying these features.

2.
(in a political context) favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.
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so the slave owners were Northern Libs with no religion and stuff?
 
CaughtInThe said:
see what i mean folks. these dudes want you to believe that the Democratic Party (of yesteryear) was filled with libbies (or something) and Southern Conservatives didn't play a role in the old South/Democratic Party and that current people of the same mindset (Southern Conservatives) don't occupy the current Republican Party.

it's more boring than anything. well, and dumb.
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Well, I was there and you dont know what you're talking about. The Democrat party of yesteryear was full of con men who were willing to kiss whoever's arse they needed to in order to line their pockets. The Republicans of the civil rights era started out as conservative and remained that way while guys like Lyndon Johnson plotted to have the n****rs voting for the Democrat party for 100 years.
 
rickc said:
Nobody said they hated anything. There has to be balance between labor and capital.

Think of the 1880's and the robber barons. Great progress was made. Labor was abused terribly. Unions rose and labor laws were passed

www.google.com

Robber Barons: The Definition of the Dark Side of Capitalism | The Motley Fool

Using unethical business practices, robber barons have exploited capitalism for personal gain.
www.google.com www.google.com

The unequal distribution of wealth remained high during this period. From 1860 to 1900, the wealthiest 2% of American households owned more than a third of the nation's wealth, while the top 10% owned roughly three quarters of it. The bottom 40% had no wealth at all.

The guilded age ended in depression

The Long Depression was a worldwide price and economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running either through March 1879, or 1896, depending on the metrics used. ... At 65 months, it is the longest-lasting contraction identified by the NBER, eclipsing the Great Depression's 43 months of contraction.

Now we get to the roaring 20's. We know how that ended up.

Income Gap
During the 1920s, the gap between the rich (Top 10% of citizens) and the poor (Bottom 90% of citizens) was at the highest it had ever been in United States history before that point. This was mostly due to the stock market boom that occurred during this time, as well as a massive confidence spike from investors in certain stocks.

There was also a mass belief that the United States was entering a state of prosperity for all; that it was "Too big to fail", so to speak. However, this was entirely a false idea, as 60% of all Americans during this time were below the poverty line (Textbook). Additionally, the 30% of the population that were not in poverty, and were not in the top 10% richest, only had a minor wealth gain of below 10%: a healthy amount, but certainly not "Roaring". As a whole, this false prosperity kept a majority of people from noticing the oncoming depression until it eventually occurred.
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The above is socialist claptrap.

You are trying to equate capital to politics.

Capital is not politics. Capital is?
Free flow of cash for effort or goods

You need legal advice and are willing to pay
Capital will get that legal advice

You want fuel in your car
Capital will get that fuel in your car

Your home needs a new roof
Capital puts that roof on the home

You want a new factory built
Join with others and the capital will build that new factory

It has nothing to do with politics. It has nothing to do with crooks. It has nothing to do with what you call robber barons.
 
it's just me said:
Nothing to say, huh?
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after watching this dumb ass argument for almost 60 years it's just funny now. we all know the Southerners (Conservative) dominated the Democratic Party of yesteryear.

but i do get that current Southern Conservatives/Republicans have to fight the truth these days. accepting it would suck.
 
Robertinfremont said:
A slave owner is not displaying these features.

2.
(in a political context) favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.
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Sure they did. Just like the 1% of today, they only believed THEY should have private ownership and free enterprise.
 
CaughtInThe said:
so the slave owners were Northern Libs with no religion and stuff?
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To trick posters into thinking the Confederate Democrats were excellent people, some call them conservatives.

To suggest Democrats swapped parties, is a lousy lie and a trick.

In the South, the people were very slow to come around after blacks got more freedom.

The climate was better than what is in the far north so a lot decided to live in the South where property was cheap and I believe taxes were lower.

I got transferred from Ft. Ord CA to Ft. Benning in Georgia and they were not fair minded at all. And later the people who were fair minded moved in.
 
CaughtInThe said:
after watching this dumb ass argument for almost 60 years it's just funny now. we all know the Southerners (Conservative) dominated the Democratic Party of yesteryear.

but i do get that current Southern Conservatives/Republicans have to fight the truth these days. accepting it would suck.
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So Franklin Roosevelt was a Conservative and so was Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman and Johnson. Lord save us all from the revisionist history tellers.

So Reagan was a decent Liberal then I guess.
 
Carleen said:
He is certainly not a loser now. He is far better than any ex-president to date.
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Carter explained the economy by blaming the public for having malaise. I suppose we caught it off the bus stops. Or down at the unemployment office. Could have come from the closed up Savings and Loan Industry or the super high interest rates.

Today if rates shot from 4 percent to 18 percent in a few months, who would you blame? Boogeyman Biden or Trump? i know you would not blame Obama.
 
it's just me said:
Well, I was there and you dont know what you're talking about. The Democrat party of yesteryear was full of con men who were willing to kiss whoever's arse they needed to in order to line their pockets. The Republicans of the civil rights era started out as conservative and remained that way while guys like Lyndon Johnson plotted to have the n****rs voting for the Democrat party for 100 years.
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200 years he said.
 
Robertinfremont said:
So Franklin Roosevelt was a Conservative and so was Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman and Johnson. Lord save us all from the revisionist history tellers.

So Reagan was a decent Liberal then I guess.
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Dude seriously, its not that difficult. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Prior to the 1960's (and increasingly so up to that point), the Democratic Party was divided between a liberal Northern wing and a conservative Southern wing. That's not to say every Northern Democrat was a liberal or every Southern Democrat was a conservative. Sam Rayburn is an example of a liberal Southern Democrat.
 
rickc said:
Nobody said they hated anything. There has to be balance between labor and capital.

Think of the 1880's and the robber barons. Great progress was made. Labor was abused terribly. Unions rose and labor laws were passed

www.google.com

Robber Barons: The Definition of the Dark Side of Capitalism | The Motley Fool

Using unethical business practices, robber barons have exploited capitalism for personal gain.
www.google.com www.google.com

The unequal distribution of wealth remained high during this period. From 1860 to 1900, the wealthiest 2% of American households owned more than a third of the nation's wealth, while the top 10% owned roughly three quarters of it. The bottom 40% had no wealth at all.

The guilded age ended in depression

The Long Depression was a worldwide price and economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running either through March 1879, or 1896, depending on the metrics used. ... At 65 months, it is the longest-lasting contraction identified by the NBER, eclipsing the Great Depression's 43 months of contraction.

Now we get to the roaring 20's. We know how that ended up.

Income Gap
During the 1920s, the gap between the rich (Top 10% of citizens) and the poor (Bottom 90% of citizens) was at the highest it had ever been in United States history before that point. This was mostly due to the stock market boom that occurred during this time, as well as a massive confidence spike from investors in certain stocks.

There was also a mass belief that the United States was entering a state of prosperity for all; that it was "Too big to fail", so to speak. However, this was entirely a false idea, as 60% of all Americans during this time were below the poverty line (Textbook). Additionally, the 30% of the population that were not in poverty, and were not in the top 10% richest, only had a minor wealth gain of below 10%: a healthy amount, but certainly not "Roaring". As a whole, this false prosperity kept a majority of people from noticing the oncoming depression until it eventually occurred.

And here we are today

www.google.com

America's Wealth Inequality Is At Roaring Twenties Levels

What is the common denominator between U.S. wealth inequality during the Roaring Twenties and now? A massive stock market bubble.
www.google.com www.google.com
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Some of you act as if up to the Robber Barons things were super and cozy.

In the 1700s Washington was the richest American I believe at the time. If a person had what Washington had today, that person would rank among the top 60 of the richest now.

Jefferson was super rich. At the end of his life he owed debt but he also had a large valuable piece of property with a mansion on it. And he owned slaves. several hundred of them who were worth something to him.
 
Questerr said:
Dude seriously, its not that difficult. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Prior to the 1960's (and increasingly so up to that point), the Democratic Party was divided between a liberal Northern wing and a conservative Southern wing. That's not to say every Northern Democrat was a liberal or every Southern Democrat was a conservative. Sam Rayburn is an example of a liberal Southern Democrat.
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Prove what you allege. Can you just prove it?
 
Nobody who is a Democrat can define a Liberal Democrat or a Liberal Republican or a conservative Republican or a Liberal Republican.

Somebody help these democrats make up more and more definitions please.

FDR changed a hell of a lot. So was he conservative or liberal? If you say liberal, why did he rush to create so many laws and rush us into war?
 
armycowboy said:
Yeah, we know.
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Grandpa was born and raised in TX. And in the early 20s was a devout communist. We can get a hint by how he named the youngest boy. Eugene V. Debs and his last name.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Prove what you allege. Can you just prove it?
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It's based on the ideology of the people involved. Do you really want me to give you an assessment of the ideology of every single member of the Democratic Party from approximately 1900 to 1965?

Is the problem that you have no clue what "liberal" and "conservative" mean as ideologies in the American political context?
 
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